Ok lets see who is ignorant
Its very simple man...this should be easy to answer if you are not ignorant
Tell me who owns your federal reserve bank?
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Ok lets see who is ignorant
Its very simple man...this should be easy to answer if you are not ignorant
Tell me who owns your federal reserve bank?
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The Saudi Israeli Alliance
Posted on 12/04/2014 | 2 Comments
Iran’s Press TV first reported that both the US and the Saudis began funding Syrian rebels who have morphed into ISIS in 2012. After backing Libyan Islamist rebels to overthrow Qaddafi, the Saudis and their fellow Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) despots moved in to attempt to bring down the Assad government.
The largest shareholder in News Corporation – parent of both the Wall Street Journal and the Fox News psyop – is Rupert Murdoch. The 2nd largest owner is Saudi Prince Alaweed bin Talal.
Anglo-American collusion with Israeli Zionist interests is well-documented. Less well-known is the paymaster role played by the Muslim Brotherhood House of Saud.for CIA/Mossad/M16 intrigues worldwide.
Both the Muslim Brotherhood House of Saud and Cabalist Israel share a long history with their Freemason brethren at British intelligence dating back to the Egyptian Mystery Schools.
The inbred Illuminati banker oligarchy runs all three secret societies and controls the global economy via central bank monopoly and hegemony over oil, arms and drug trades.
This Rothschild-led cabal of trillionaire Satanists manufacture fanatics within the Jewish, Christian and Muslim faiths to divide the people and maximize war profits.
(Excerpted from Chapter 5: Persian Gulf Rent-a-Sheik: Big Oil & Their Bankers…)
Since Chevron discovered oil in Saudi Arabia in 1938, the House of Saud monarchy has increasingly served as paymaster for Rothschild covert military adventures. It’s part of an oil for arms quid pro quo.
The Saudis sent over $3.8 billion to the CIA-trained Afghan mujahadeen. Their emissary to the Americans was Osama bin Laden.
They gave $35 million to the Nicaraguan contras. Northrup/Lockheed bribe recipient Adnan Khashoggi played a key role in supplying Richard Secord’s Enterprise with House of Saud funding. But while contra and mujahadeen efforts got the most newsprint, the House of Saud was busy bankrolling counterinsurgency around the world.
In Africa the Saudis provided support decades ago for the National Front for Salvation (NFS), which operated from bases in Chad in its attempts to overthrow Libyan President Mohamar Qaddafi.
Chad has long been an important country in Exxon Mobil’s North Africa oil production schemes. In 1990- following a successful Libyan-backed counter-coup against the Chad government which was sponsoring NFS- the US evacuated 350 NFS leaders with Saudi financing. The US restored $5 million in aid to the dictatorial Kenyan government of Daniel Arap Moi so Kenya would house the NFS leaders, whom other African governments refused to take in. Arap Moi later aided CIA covert operations in Somalia, which the Saudis financed.
The Saudis bankrolled Jonas Savimbi’s UNITA rebels in Angola in their brutal effort to topple the socialist government of MPLA President Jose dos Santos. Upon CIA request, the Saudis sent millions to Morocco to pay for that country’s training of UNITA. Angola has huge oil reserves. In 1985 Chevron Texaco accounted for 75% of Angola’s oil revenue. In 1990 29% of Exxon Mobil’s US-bound crude came from Angola. An annual report of De Beers- the Oppenheimer-family tentacle which monopolizes the world diamond trade- bragged of buying up UNITA diamonds. Savimbi was welcomed at the White House by President Reagan.
The Saudis funded RENAMO in their CIA-backed Pink Plan terror campaign against the nationalist government of Mozambique. In the mid-1980s both the Saudis and Oman sent weapons to RENAMO through the Comoros Islands on behalf of Israel and apartheid South Africa. Two Comoros Presidents- Ali Soilah and Ahmed Abdullah Abderemane- were assassinated by mercenaries who were protecting the arms traffic.
In the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) – formerly Zaire- Illuminati puppet Mobutu Sese-Seiko ruled with an iron fist for nearly four decades. He served as City of London guard dog of Zaire’s rich cobalt, uranium and molybdenum reserves- all of which are vital to the US nuclear weapons program. Zaire is also rich in copper, chromium, zinc, cadmium, tin, gold and platinum. While Mobutu amassed over $5 billion in Swiss, Belgian and French bank accounts, Zaire’s people lived in squalor.
Mobutu was installed in the early 1960’s after CIA agent Frank Carlucci- later Reagan and Bush Defense Secretary and now chairman of bin Laden family investment advisor Carlyle Group- worked with gangsters to assassinate the first prime minister of the Congo Patrice Lumumba. Under Mobutu’s reign the US had military bases at Kitona and Kamina- from where the CIA prosecuted covert wars against Angola, Mozambique and Namibia with House of Saud funding. Mobutu’s DSP palace guard was trained by the Israeli Mossad. In the late 1970’s the Saudis paid for imported Moroccan troops to save Mobutu from Katanganese secessionists led by Laurant Kabila.
Mobutu was deposed in 1998 by forces loyal to Kabila- a friend of Fidel Castro. The Saudis began financing military forays into the Congo by the governments of Rwanda, Uganda and Burundi. This destabilization of the Lake’s region led to the Rwandan genocide. Kabila was assassinated in 2000, after he refused to play Illuminati ball. Over four million people have died in the DRC over the past decade.
Lumumba and Kabila weren’t the first African nationalists targeted for elimination by the inbreds. During the 1950’s and 1960’s the CIA and French intelligence assassinated Moroccan nationalist Mehdi Ben Barka- whose Union Nationale de Forces Populaire threatened US puppet monarch King Hassan II. Giunea’s leftist President Sekou Toure and Tunisian socialist Habib Bourgiba were also assassinated by Western intelligence agencies.
In 1993 Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir accused the Saudis of providing arms to Johnny Garung’s Sudanese People’s Liberation Army (SPLA). The southern part of Sudan- which the SPLA is trying to partition- is rich in oil. Mossad has supplied the SPLA for years through Kenya. In 1996 the Clinton Administration announced military aid to Ethiopia, Eritrea and Uganda. The aid was funneled into an SPLA offensive on Khartoum. The crisis in Darfur is a direct result of Saudi/Israeli/US meddling on behalf of Big Oil.
Algerian President Chadli Benjladid accused the Saudis of bankrolling the barbarous Armed Islamic Group (AIG) who- after Algeria protested US ignition of the Gulf War- launched a reign of terror targeted at the Algerian people. Benjladid was forced to resign. This was followed by hasty passage of the Hydrocarbon Law- which opened the historically socialist country’s oilfields to the Four Horsemen. The CIA then helped AIG terrorists travel to Bosnia, where they helped destroy socialist Yugoslavia.
Algeria has a long history of defying Big Oil. President Houari Boumedienne- one of the great Arab socialist leaders of all time- initiated calls for a more just international economic order in fiery speeches at the UN. He encouraged producer cartels as a means to Third World emancipation from the London bankers. Independent Italian oilman Enrico Mattei began negotiating with Algeria and other nationalistic OPEC states who wanted to sell their oil internationally without having to deal with the Four Horsemen. In 1962 Mattei died in a mysterious plane crash. Former French intelligence agent Thyraud de Vosjoli says his agency was involved. William McHale of Time magazine, who covered Mattei’s attempt to break the Big Oil cartel, also died under strange circumstances.
In 1975 the US sent $138 million in military aid through Saudi Arabia to Yemen, in hopes of heading off a Marxist revolution there. The effort failed and the country split into North and South Yemen for two decades before merging again in the 1990’s. US/Saudi aid to both Yemen and Oman continues to this day in an effort to stamp out nationalist movements in those countries, which border the Kingdom and its vast Four Horsemen-controlled oilfields.
During the US-led effort to partition Bosnia from Yugoslavia, Saudi King Faud led calls for an end to the UN arms embargo. When the embargo was lifted, the Saudis funded Bosnian Muslim arms purchases. Later the Saudis bankrolled the heroin-kingpin Kosovo Liberation Army, as well as NLA Albanian separatists attacking the nationalist government of Macedonia. The Saudis even funded CIA covert operations in Italy, where they plunked down $10 million in 1985 to help destroy the Communist Party.
Recently Saudi Prince Bandar donated $1 million to the Bush Sr. Presidential Library and another $1 million to a Barbara Bush literacy campaign. On the evening of September, 11, 2001- Prince Bandar smoked cigars in the White House with President Bush, while members of the bin Laden family were evacuated from the US in airspace shut down to all other traffic.
Were the Saudis simply playing their historic paymaster role in the prosecution of 911?
The largest shareholder in News Corporation – parent of both the banker mouthpiece Wall Street Journal and the Fox News psyop – is Rupert Murdoch. The 2nd largest owner is Saudi Prince Alaweed bin Talal.
Is Fox News a covert Rothschild mind control operation against the American people?
Sources:
“Mercenary Mischief in Zaire”. Jane Hunter. Covert Action Information Bulletin. Spring 1991.
Hot Money and the Politics of Debt. R.T. Naylor. The Linden Press/Simon & Schuster. New York. 1987. p.238
Hunter
Earth First! Journal. Vol. 26, #1. Samhain/Yule. 2005
“US to Aid Regimes to Oust Government”. David B. Ottaway. Washington Post. 11-10-96
The Great Heroin Coup: Drugs, Intelligence and International Fascism. Henrik Kruger. South End Press. Boston. 1980. p.43
The Gulf: Scramble for Security. Raj Choudry. Sreedhar Press. New Dehli.
1983. p.14
Dude, Where’s My Country. Michael Moore. Warner Books. New York. 2003.
ABC News Online. 10-19-04
Dean Henderson is the author of five books: Big Oil & Their Bankers in the Persian Gulf: Four Horsemen, Eight Families & Their Global Intelligence, Narcotics & Terror Network, The Grateful Unrich: Revolution in 50 Countries,Das Kartell der Federal Reserve, Stickin’ it to the Matrix & The Federal Reserve Cartel. You can subscribe free to his weekly Left Hook column @www.hendersonlefthook.wordpress.com
The Saudi Israeli Alliance
Posted on 12/04/2014 | 2 Comments
Iran’s Press TV first reported that both the US and the Saudis began funding Syrian rebels who have morphed into ISIS in 2012. After backing Libyan Islamist rebels to overthrow Qaddafi, the Saudis and their fellow Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) despots moved in to attempt to bring down the Assad government.
The largest shareholder in News Corporation – parent of both the Wall Street Journal and the Fox News psyop – is Rupert Murdoch. The 2nd largest owner is Saudi Prince Alaweed bin Talal.
Anglo-American collusion with Israeli Zionist interests is well-documented. Less well-known is the paymaster role played by the Muslim Brotherhood House of Saud.for CIA/Mossad/M16 intrigues worldwide.
Both the Muslim Brotherhood House of Saud and Cabalist Israel share a long history with their Freemason brethren at British intelligence dating back to the Egyptian Mystery Schools.
The inbred Illuminati banker oligarchy runs all three secret societies and controls the global economy via central bank monopoly and hegemony over oil, arms and drug trades.
This Rothschild-led cabal of trillionaire Satanists manufacture fanatics within the Jewish, Christian and Muslim faiths to divide the people and maximize war profits.
(Excerpted from Chapter 5: Persian Gulf Rent-a-Sheik: Big Oil & Their Bankers…)
Since Chevron discovered oil in Saudi Arabia in 1938, the House of Saud monarchy has increasingly served as paymaster for Rothschild covert military adventures. It’s part of an oil for arms quid pro quo.
The Saudis sent over $3.8 billion to the CIA-trained Afghan mujahadeen. Their emissary to the Americans was Osama bin Laden.
They gave $35 million to the Nicaraguan contras. Northrup/Lockheed bribe recipient Adnan Khashoggi played a key role in supplying Richard Secord’s Enterprise with House of Saud funding. But while contra and mujahadeen efforts got the most newsprint, the House of Saud was busy bankrolling counterinsurgency around the world.
In Africa the Saudis provided support decades ago for the National Front for Salvation (NFS), which operated from bases in Chad in its attempts to overthrow Libyan President Mohamar Qaddafi.
Chad has long been an important country in Exxon Mobil’s North Africa oil production schemes. In 1990- following a successful Libyan-backed counter-coup against the Chad government which was sponsoring NFS- the US evacuated 350 NFS leaders with Saudi financing. The US restored $5 million in aid to the dictatorial Kenyan government of Daniel Arap Moi so Kenya would house the NFS leaders, whom other African governments refused to take in. Arap Moi later aided CIA covert operations in Somalia, which the Saudis financed.
The Saudis bankrolled Jonas Savimbi’s UNITA rebels in Angola in their brutal effort to topple the socialist government of MPLA President Jose dos Santos. Upon CIA request, the Saudis sent millions to Morocco to pay for that country’s training of UNITA. Angola has huge oil reserves. In 1985 Chevron Texaco accounted for 75% of Angola’s oil revenue. In 1990 29% of Exxon Mobil’s US-bound crude came from Angola. An annual report of De Beers- the Oppenheimer-family tentacle which monopolizes the world diamond trade- bragged of buying up UNITA diamonds. Savimbi was welcomed at the White House by President Reagan.
The Saudis funded RENAMO in their CIA-backed Pink Plan terror campaign against the nationalist government of Mozambique. In the mid-1980s both the Saudis and Oman sent weapons to RENAMO through the Comoros Islands on behalf of Israel and apartheid South Africa. Two Comoros Presidents- Ali Soilah and Ahmed Abdullah Abderemane- were assassinated by mercenaries who were protecting the arms traffic.
In the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) – formerly Zaire- Illuminati puppet Mobutu Sese-Seiko ruled with an iron fist for nearly four decades. He served as City of London guard dog of Zaire’s rich cobalt, uranium and molybdenum reserves- all of which are vital to the US nuclear weapons program. Zaire is also rich in copper, chromium, zinc, cadmium, tin, gold and platinum. While Mobutu amassed over $5 billion in Swiss, Belgian and French bank accounts, Zaire’s people lived in squalor.
Mobutu was installed in the early 1960’s after CIA agent Frank Carlucci- later Reagan and Bush Defense Secretary and now chairman of bin Laden family investment advisor Carlyle Group- worked with gangsters to assassinate the first prime minister of the Congo Patrice Lumumba. Under Mobutu’s reign the US had military bases at Kitona and Kamina- from where the CIA prosecuted covert wars against Angola, Mozambique and Namibia with House of Saud funding. Mobutu’s DSP palace guard was trained by the Israeli Mossad. In the late 1970’s the Saudis paid for imported Moroccan troops to save Mobutu from Katanganese secessionists led by Laurant Kabila.
Mobutu was deposed in 1998 by forces loyal to Kabila- a friend of Fidel Castro. The Saudis began financing military forays into the Congo by the governments of Rwanda, Uganda and Burundi. This destabilization of the Lake’s region led to the Rwandan genocide. Kabila was assassinated in 2000, after he refused to play Illuminati ball. Over four million people have died in the DRC over the past decade.
Lumumba and Kabila weren’t the first African nationalists targeted for elimination by the inbreds. During the 1950’s and 1960’s the CIA and French intelligence assassinated Moroccan nationalist Mehdi Ben Barka- whose Union Nationale de Forces Populaire threatened US puppet monarch King Hassan II. Giunea’s leftist President Sekou Toure and Tunisian socialist Habib Bourgiba were also assassinated by Western intelligence agencies.
In 1993 Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir accused the Saudis of providing arms to Johnny Garung’s Sudanese People’s Liberation Army (SPLA). The southern part of Sudan- which the SPLA is trying to partition- is rich in oil. Mossad has supplied the SPLA for years through Kenya. In 1996 the Clinton Administration announced military aid to Ethiopia, Eritrea and Uganda. The aid was funneled into an SPLA offensive on Khartoum. The crisis in Darfur is a direct result of Saudi/Israeli/US meddling on behalf of Big Oil.
Algerian President Chadli Benjladid accused the Saudis of bankrolling the barbarous Armed Islamic Group (AIG) who- after Algeria protested US ignition of the Gulf War- launched a reign of terror targeted at the Algerian people. Benjladid was forced to resign. This was followed by hasty passage of the Hydrocarbon Law- which opened the historically socialist country’s oilfields to the Four Horsemen. The CIA then helped AIG terrorists travel to Bosnia, where they helped destroy socialist Yugoslavia.
Algeria has a long history of defying Big Oil. President Houari Boumedienne- one of the great Arab socialist leaders of all time- initiated calls for a more just international economic order in fiery speeches at the UN. He encouraged producer cartels as a means to Third World emancipation from the London bankers. Independent Italian oilman Enrico Mattei began negotiating with Algeria and other nationalistic OPEC states who wanted to sell their oil internationally without having to deal with the Four Horsemen. In 1962 Mattei died in a mysterious plane crash. Former French intelligence agent Thyraud de Vosjoli says his agency was involved. William McHale of Time magazine, who covered Mattei’s attempt to break the Big Oil cartel, also died under strange circumstances.
In 1975 the US sent $138 million in military aid through Saudi Arabia to Yemen, in hopes of heading off a Marxist revolution there. The effort failed and the country split into North and South Yemen for two decades before merging again in the 1990’s. US/Saudi aid to both Yemen and Oman continues to this day in an effort to stamp out nationalist movements in those countries, which border the Kingdom and its vast Four Horsemen-controlled oilfields.
During the US-led effort to partition Bosnia from Yugoslavia, Saudi King Faud led calls for an end to the UN arms embargo. When the embargo was lifted, the Saudis funded Bosnian Muslim arms purchases. Later the Saudis bankrolled the heroin-kingpin Kosovo Liberation Army, as well as NLA Albanian separatists attacking the nationalist government of Macedonia. The Saudis even funded CIA covert operations in Italy, where they plunked down $10 million in 1985 to help destroy the Communist Party.
Recently Saudi Prince Bandar donated $1 million to the Bush Sr. Presidential Library and another $1 million to a Barbara Bush literacy campaign. On the evening of September, 11, 2001- Prince Bandar smoked cigars in the White House with President Bush, while members of the bin Laden family were evacuated from the US in airspace shut down to all other traffic.
Were the Saudis simply playing their historic paymaster role in the prosecution of 911?
The largest shareholder in News Corporation – parent of both the banker mouthpiece Wall Street Journal and the Fox News psyop – is Rupert Murdoch. The 2nd largest owner is Saudi Prince Alaweed bin Talal.
Is Fox News a covert Rothschild mind control operation against the American people?
Sources:
“Mercenary Mischief in Zaire”. Jane Hunter. Covert Action Information Bulletin. Spring 1991.
Hot Money and the Politics of Debt. R.T. Naylor. The Linden Press/Simon & Schuster. New York. 1987. p.238
Hunter
Earth First! Journal. Vol. 26, #1. Samhain/Yule. 2005
“US to Aid Regimes to Oust Government”. David B. Ottaway. Washington Post. 11-10-96
The Great Heroin Coup: Drugs, Intelligence and International Fascism. Henrik Kruger. South End Press. Boston. 1980. p.43
The Gulf: Scramble for Security. Raj Choudry. Sreedhar Press. New Dehli.
1983. p.14
Dude, Where’s My Country. Michael Moore. Warner Books. New York. 2003.
ABC News Online. 10-19-04
Dean Henderson is the author of five books: Big Oil & Their Bankers in the Persian Gulf: Four Horsemen, Eight Families & Their Global Intelligence, Narcotics & Terror Network, The Grateful Unrich: Revolution in 50 Countries,Das Kartell der Federal Reserve, Stickin’ it to the Matrix & The Federal Reserve Cartel. You can subscribe free to his weekly Left Hook column @www.hendersonlefthook.wordpress.com
Lets have a look into who owns the New York Times newspaper....
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[SIZE=+1]Hello all ...[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]The political creed of Zionism has big ears and a long trunk and I think it's time that was pointed out. It also stampedes through our lives at every level and that needs to be said, too.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]It has created a pincer-movement on the human mind by hijacking staggering amounts of political, corporate, banking and media power on one side and by using the fear of being called 'anti-Semitic' if you dare to state the bloody obvious.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]They have been able to do this by equating in public perception that Zionism = Jewish people. It does not. Zionism is a political creed introduced by the House of Rothschild to advance the goals of the Illuminati families that are largely controlled by the Rothschilds.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]When people think of Zionism they think of Jewish people. When they think of Israel they think of Jewish people. That's understandable given the propaganda, but it is seriously misleading and those instant connections need to be broken if we are going to understand what's going on here.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Zionism means Rothschild just as Israel means Rothschild. When we see the extraordinary number of Zionists in key positions around the world we are looking not at 'manipulating Jews', but manipulating Zionists representing the interests and demands of the Rothschilds.[/SIZE] 
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The zionist cabal runs both saudi arabia AND israel (isis-ra-el, just as solomon is sol-om-on...3 names of the sun and just as freemasonic password jahbulon is jah-bul-on...3 names of sun god)
http://www.bloombergview.com/articl...nd-saudis-reveal-secret-talks-to-thwart-iran?
[h=1]Israelis and Saudis Reveal Secret Talks to Thwart Iran[/h]
168 Jun 4, 2015 4:42 PM EDT By Eli Lake
Since the beginning of 2014, representatives from Israel and Saudi Arabia have had five secret meetings to discuss a common foe, Iran. On Thursday, the two countries came out of the closet by revealing this covert diplomacy at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington.
Among those who follow the Middle East closely, it's been an open secret that Israel and Saudi Arabia have a common interest in thwarting Iran. But until Thursday, actual diplomacy between the two was never officially acknowledged. Saudi Arabia still doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist. Israel has yet to accept a Saudi-initiated peace offer to create a Palestinian state.
It was not a typical Washington think-tank event. No questions were taken from the audience. After an introduction, there was a speech in Arabic from Anwar Majed Eshki, a retired Saudi general and ex-adviser to Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the former Saudi ambassador to the U.S. Then Dore Gold, a former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations who is slotted to be the next director general of Israel's foreign ministry, gave a speech in English.
While these men represent countries that have been historic enemies, their message was identical: Iran is trying to take over the Middle East and it must be stopped.
Eshki was particularly alarming. He laid out a brief history of Iran since the 1979 revolution, highlighting the regime's acts of terrorism, hostage-taking and aggression. He ended his remarks with a seven-point plan for the Middle East. Atop the list was achieving peace between Israel and the Arabs. Second came regime-change in Iran. Also on the list were greater Arab unity, the establishment of an Arab regional military force, and a call for an independent Kurdistan to be made up of territory now belonging to Iraq, Turkey and Iran.
Gold's speech was slightly less grandiose. He, too, warned of Iran's regional ambitions. But he didn't call for toppling the Tehran government. "Our standing today on this stage does not mean we have resolved all the differences that our countries have shared over the years," he said of his outreach to Saudi Arabia. "But our hope is we will be able to address them fully in the years ahead."
It's no coincidence that the meetings between Gold, Eshki and a few other former officials from both sides took place in the shadow of the nuclear talks among Iran, the U.S. and other major powers. Saudi Arabia and Israel are arguably the two countries most threatened by Iran's nuclear program, but neither has a seat at the negotiations scheduled to wrap up at the end of the month.
The five bilateral meetings over the last 17 months occurred in India, Italy and the Czech Republic. One participant, Shimon Shapira, a retired Israeli general and an expert on the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, told me: "We discovered we have the same problems and same challenges and some of the same answers." Shapira described the problem as Iran's activities in the region, and said both sides had discussed political and economic ways to blunt them, but wouldn't get into any further specifics.
Eshki told me that no real cooperation would be possible until Israel's prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, accepted what's known as the Arab Peace Initiative to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The plan was first shared with New York Times columnist Tom Friedman in 2002 by Saudi Arabia's late King Abdullah, then the kingdom's crown prince.
Israel's quiet relationships with Gulf Arab states goes back to the 1990s and the Oslo Peace Process. Back then, some Arab countries such as Qatar allowed Israel to open trade missions. Others allowed an Israeli intelligence presence, including Abu Dhabi, the capital of the United Arab Emirates.
These ties became more focused on Iran over the last decade, as shown by documents released by WikiLeaks in 2010. A March 19, 2009, cable quoted Israel's then-deputy director general of the foreign minister, Yacov Hadas, saying one reason for the warming of relations was that the Arabs felt Israel could advance their interests vis-a-vis Iran in Washington. "Gulf Arabs believe in Israel's role because of their perception of Israel's close relationship with the U.S. but also due to their sense that they can count on Israel against Iran," the cable said.
But only now has open cooperation between Saudi Arabia and Israel become a possibility. For Gold, it represents something of a sea change. In 2003, he published a book, "Hatred's Kingdom," about Saudi Arabia's role in financing terrorism and Islamic extremism. He explained Thursday that he wrote that book "at the height of the second intifada when Saudi Arabia was financing and fundraising for the murder of Israelis." Today, Gold said, it is Iran that is primarily working with those Palestinian groups that continue to embrace terrorism.
Gold went on to say that Iran is now outfitting groups such as Hezbollah in Lebanon with precision-guided missiles, as opposed to the unguided rockets Iran has traditionally provided its allies in Lebanon. He also said Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps forces propping up the Bashar al-Assad regime are now close to the Israeli-Syrian border.
A few years ago, it was mainly Israel that rang the alarm about Iranian expansionism in the Middle East. It is significant that now Israel is joined in this campaign by Saudi Arabia, a country that has wished for its destruction since 1948.
The two nations worry today that President Barack Obama's efforts to make peace with Iran will embolden that regime's aggression against them. It's unclear whether Obama will get his nuclear deal. But either way, it may end up that his greatest diplomatic accomplishment will be that his outreach to Iran helped create the conditions for a Saudi-Israeli alliance against it.
To contact the author on this story:
Eli Lake at elake1@bloomberg.net
To contact the editor on this story:
Toby Harshaw at tharshaw@bloomberg.net
http://www.bloombergview.com/articl...nd-saudis-reveal-secret-talks-to-thwart-iran?
[h=1]Israelis and Saudis Reveal Secret Talks to Thwart Iran[/h]
168 Jun 4, 2015 4:42 PM EDT By Eli Lake
Since the beginning of 2014, representatives from Israel and Saudi Arabia have had five secret meetings to discuss a common foe, Iran. On Thursday, the two countries came out of the closet by revealing this covert diplomacy at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington.
Among those who follow the Middle East closely, it's been an open secret that Israel and Saudi Arabia have a common interest in thwarting Iran. But until Thursday, actual diplomacy between the two was never officially acknowledged. Saudi Arabia still doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist. Israel has yet to accept a Saudi-initiated peace offer to create a Palestinian state.
It was not a typical Washington think-tank event. No questions were taken from the audience. After an introduction, there was a speech in Arabic from Anwar Majed Eshki, a retired Saudi general and ex-adviser to Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the former Saudi ambassador to the U.S. Then Dore Gold, a former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations who is slotted to be the next director general of Israel's foreign ministry, gave a speech in English.
While these men represent countries that have been historic enemies, their message was identical: Iran is trying to take over the Middle East and it must be stopped.
Eshki was particularly alarming. He laid out a brief history of Iran since the 1979 revolution, highlighting the regime's acts of terrorism, hostage-taking and aggression. He ended his remarks with a seven-point plan for the Middle East. Atop the list was achieving peace between Israel and the Arabs. Second came regime-change in Iran. Also on the list were greater Arab unity, the establishment of an Arab regional military force, and a call for an independent Kurdistan to be made up of territory now belonging to Iraq, Turkey and Iran.
Gold's speech was slightly less grandiose. He, too, warned of Iran's regional ambitions. But he didn't call for toppling the Tehran government. "Our standing today on this stage does not mean we have resolved all the differences that our countries have shared over the years," he said of his outreach to Saudi Arabia. "But our hope is we will be able to address them fully in the years ahead."
It's no coincidence that the meetings between Gold, Eshki and a few other former officials from both sides took place in the shadow of the nuclear talks among Iran, the U.S. and other major powers. Saudi Arabia and Israel are arguably the two countries most threatened by Iran's nuclear program, but neither has a seat at the negotiations scheduled to wrap up at the end of the month.
The five bilateral meetings over the last 17 months occurred in India, Italy and the Czech Republic. One participant, Shimon Shapira, a retired Israeli general and an expert on the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, told me: "We discovered we have the same problems and same challenges and some of the same answers." Shapira described the problem as Iran's activities in the region, and said both sides had discussed political and economic ways to blunt them, but wouldn't get into any further specifics.
Eshki told me that no real cooperation would be possible until Israel's prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, accepted what's known as the Arab Peace Initiative to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The plan was first shared with New York Times columnist Tom Friedman in 2002 by Saudi Arabia's late King Abdullah, then the kingdom's crown prince.
Israel's quiet relationships with Gulf Arab states goes back to the 1990s and the Oslo Peace Process. Back then, some Arab countries such as Qatar allowed Israel to open trade missions. Others allowed an Israeli intelligence presence, including Abu Dhabi, the capital of the United Arab Emirates.
These ties became more focused on Iran over the last decade, as shown by documents released by WikiLeaks in 2010. A March 19, 2009, cable quoted Israel's then-deputy director general of the foreign minister, Yacov Hadas, saying one reason for the warming of relations was that the Arabs felt Israel could advance their interests vis-a-vis Iran in Washington. "Gulf Arabs believe in Israel's role because of their perception of Israel's close relationship with the U.S. but also due to their sense that they can count on Israel against Iran," the cable said.
But only now has open cooperation between Saudi Arabia and Israel become a possibility. For Gold, it represents something of a sea change. In 2003, he published a book, "Hatred's Kingdom," about Saudi Arabia's role in financing terrorism and Islamic extremism. He explained Thursday that he wrote that book "at the height of the second intifada when Saudi Arabia was financing and fundraising for the murder of Israelis." Today, Gold said, it is Iran that is primarily working with those Palestinian groups that continue to embrace terrorism.
Gold went on to say that Iran is now outfitting groups such as Hezbollah in Lebanon with precision-guided missiles, as opposed to the unguided rockets Iran has traditionally provided its allies in Lebanon. He also said Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps forces propping up the Bashar al-Assad regime are now close to the Israeli-Syrian border.
A few years ago, it was mainly Israel that rang the alarm about Iranian expansionism in the Middle East. It is significant that now Israel is joined in this campaign by Saudi Arabia, a country that has wished for its destruction since 1948.
The two nations worry today that President Barack Obama's efforts to make peace with Iran will embolden that regime's aggression against them. It's unclear whether Obama will get his nuclear deal. But either way, it may end up that his greatest diplomatic accomplishment will be that his outreach to Iran helped create the conditions for a Saudi-Israeli alliance against it.
To contact the author on this story:
Eli Lake at elake1@bloomberg.net
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Toby Harshaw at tharshaw@bloomberg.net
That BS is telling you who owns and controls the new york times which is a zionist mouthpiece
the only thing your are posting is from the new york times
where is the raw data?
Where is the INFORMATION?
What INFORMATION do you have to support your claims?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Ochs_Sulzberger_Jr.
Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr. (born September 22, 1951) became the publisher of The New York Times in 1992 and chairman of the board of its owner, The New York Times Company, in 1997, succeeding his father, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger.
his father was of Jewish origin (both Ashkenazi and Sephardic)
Since 1967, the company has been listed on the New York Stock Exchange under the symbol NYT. Of the two categories of stock, Class A and Class B, the former is publicly traded and the latter is held privately --- largely (nearly 90%) by the descendants of Adolph Ochs, who purchased The New York Times newspaper in 1896.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_Council_on_Foreign_Relations
Members of the Council on Foreign Relations
Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr. (born September 22, 1951) became the publisher of The New York Times in 1992 and chairman of the board of its owner, The New York Times Company, in 1997, succeeding his father, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger.
his father was of Jewish origin (both Ashkenazi and Sephardic)
Since 1967, the company has been listed on the New York Stock Exchange under the symbol NYT. Of the two categories of stock, Class A and Class B, the former is publicly traded and the latter is held privately --- largely (nearly 90%) by the descendants of Adolph Ochs, who purchased The New York Times newspaper in 1896.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_Council_on_Foreign_Relations
Members of the Council on Foreign Relations
- Ethan Bronner (deputy foreign editor of The New York Times)
- Leslie Gelb (former journalist for the New York Times)
- Thomas Friedman (columnist for The New York Times)
- Warren Hoge (American journalist, formerly of the New York Times)
- Paul R. Krugman (economist, columnist for the New York Times)
- Malcolm Hoenlein (vice-chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations)
- Alan Greenspan (13th Chairman of the Federal Reserve)
- Paul Volcker (12th Chairman of the Federal Reserve)
- Edgar Bronfman, Sr. (a member of the Bronfman dynasty, president of the World Jewish Congress)
- David A. Harris (director of the American Jewish Committee (AJC))
- Robert Kagan (cofounded Project for the New American Century)
- Rupert Murdoch (founder/chairman/CEO of News Corp and Fox News)
- David Rockefeller, Jr.
- Robert Rubin (70th Secretary of the Treasury under Bill Clinton)
- Paul Wolfowitz (10th President of the World Bank, former U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense under Bush-43)
- Robert Zoellick (11th President of the World Bank)
- Goldman Sachs, Inc.
- Rothschild North America, Inc.
- Warburg Pincus LLC
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Christian Zionism BRAINWASHING
[video=youtube;bhFHLL_wtJo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhFHLL_wtJo[/video]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism
Christian Zionism is a belief among some Christians that the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, is in accordance with Biblical prophecy. The term began to be used in the mid-20th century,
A contemporary Israeli historian suggests that evangelical Christian Zionists of the 1840s "passed this notion on to Jewish circles", helping to encourage Jewish political Zionism.
Some Christian Zionists believe that the gathering of the Jews in Israel is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Jesus
The idea that Christians should actively support a Jewish return to the Land of Israel, along with the parallel idea that the Jews ought to be encouraged to become Christians
In 1844, George Bush, a professor of Hebrew at New York University and the cousin of an ancestor of the Presidents Bush, published a book titled The Valley of Vision; (he published a monthly magazine called Hierophant, devoted to the elucidation of scriptural prophecies)
Jerusalem Declaration on Christian Zionism
Main article: Jerusalem Declaration on Christian Zionism
The Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem (Catholic), the Syrian Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem, the Episcopal Church in Jerusalem and the Middle East and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Jordan and the Holy Land, in 2006 published the Jerusalem Declaration on Christian Zionism, which rejects Christian Zionism as substituting, in its view, a political-military program in place of the teachings of Jesus Christ.[SUP][42][/SUP] It criticizes Christian Zionism as an obstacle to peace and understanding in Israel-Palestine.
United States
The General Assembly of the National Council of Churches in November 2007 approved a resolution for further study which stated that the "theological stance of Christian Zionism adversely affects:
Both pro-Zionist and anti-Zionist schools of Christian thought may be influenced and motivated by the description found in Revelation:3-9:
Ronald Reagan, then Governor of California, told state legislators in 1971:
Post Cold War-millenarians still identify Gog with Russia, but they now tend to stress his allies among Islamic nations, especially Iran.[SUP][60][/SUP] For the most fervent, the countdown to Armageddon began with the return of the Jews to Israel, followed quickly by further signs pointing to the nearness of the final battle–nuclear weapons, European integration, Israel's seizure of Jerusalem, and America's wars in Afghanistan and the Gulf.[SUP][61][/SUP] In the prelude to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, President George W. Bush told Jacques Chirac that Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East: "This confrontation is willed by God," he told the French leader, "who wants us to use this conflict to erase his people's enemies before a New Age begins."[6
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_Council_on_Foreign_Relations
Members of the Council on Foreign Relations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush
Late in his junior year he was, like his father Prescott Bush (1917), initiated into the Skull and Bones secret society. He graduated as a member of the Phi Beta Kappa from Yale in 1948 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in economics.[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush
Prescott Sheldon Bush (May 15, 1895 – October 8, 1972) was an American banker and politician. He was a Wall Street executive banker and a United States Senator, representing Connecticut from 1952 until January 1963. He was the father of George H. W. Bush (41st President of the United States) and the grandfather of George W. Bush (43rd President of the United States) and Jeb Bush (43rd Governor of Florida).
during World War I, also a federal government official in charge of coordination of and assistance to major weapons contractors.
According to Skull and Bones lore, Prescott Bush was among a group of Bonesmen who dug up and removed the skull of Geronimo from his grave at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, in 1918.[SUP][2][/SUP] According to historian David L. Miller, the Bonesmen probably dug up somebody at Fort Sill, but not Geronimo
Bush was a founding member and one of seven directors (including W. Averell Harriman) of the Union Banking Corporation (holding a single share out of 4,000 as a director), an investment bank that operated as a clearing house for many assets and enterprises held by German steel magnate Fritz Thyssen.[SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP] In July 1942, the bank was suspected of holding gold on behalf of Nazi leaders.[SUP][8][/SUP] A subsequent government investigation disproved those allegations but confirmed the Thyssens' control, and in October 1942 the United States seized the bank under the Trading with the Enemy Act and held the assets for the duration of World War II
According to journalist Joe Conason, Prescott Bush's involvement with UBC was purely commercial and he was not a Nazi sympathizer.[SUP][9][/SUP] The Anti-Defamation League[SUP][10][/SUP] and historian Herbert Parmet[SUP][7][/SUP] agreed with that assessment.
He was involved with the American Birth Control League as early as 1942, and served as the treasurer of the first national capital campaign of Planned Parenthood in 1947.
Bush often agreed with New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller. According to Theodore H. White's book about the 1964 election, Bush and Rockefeller were longtime friends. Bush favored a Nixon-Rockefeller ticket for 1960
[video=youtube;bhFHLL_wtJo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhFHLL_wtJo[/video]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism
Christian Zionism is a belief among some Christians that the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, is in accordance with Biblical prophecy. The term began to be used in the mid-20th century,
A contemporary Israeli historian suggests that evangelical Christian Zionists of the 1840s "passed this notion on to Jewish circles", helping to encourage Jewish political Zionism.
Some Christian Zionists believe that the gathering of the Jews in Israel is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Jesus
The idea that Christians should actively support a Jewish return to the Land of Israel, along with the parallel idea that the Jews ought to be encouraged to become Christians
In 1844, George Bush, a professor of Hebrew at New York University and the cousin of an ancestor of the Presidents Bush, published a book titled The Valley of Vision; (he published a monthly magazine called Hierophant, devoted to the elucidation of scriptural prophecies)
Jerusalem Declaration on Christian Zionism
Main article: Jerusalem Declaration on Christian Zionism
The Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem (Catholic), the Syrian Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem, the Episcopal Church in Jerusalem and the Middle East and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Jordan and the Holy Land, in 2006 published the Jerusalem Declaration on Christian Zionism, which rejects Christian Zionism as substituting, in its view, a political-military program in place of the teachings of Jesus Christ.[SUP][42][/SUP] It criticizes Christian Zionism as an obstacle to peace and understanding in Israel-Palestine.
United States
The General Assembly of the National Council of Churches in November 2007 approved a resolution for further study which stated that the "theological stance of Christian Zionism adversely affects:
- justice and peace in the Middle East, delaying the day when Israelis and Palestinians can live within secure borders
- relationships with Middle Eastern Christians (see the Jerusalem Declaration on Christian Zionism)
- relationships with Jews, since Jews are seen as mere pawns in an eschatological scheme
- relationships with Muslims, since it treats the rights of Muslims as subordinate to the rights of Jews
- interfaith dialogue, since it views the world in starkly dichotomous terms"[SUP][43][/SUP]
Both pro-Zionist and anti-Zionist schools of Christian thought may be influenced and motivated by the description found in Revelation:3-9:
Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you.
This description is often offensive to Zionist Jews who otherwise find some common ground with Christian Zionism in their support of an ethnic Jewish state in the Holy Land. Nonetheless, it forms one of the foundational ideas underlying some support for Christian Zionism[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] and plays a definitive role in its eschatological script of prospective events.
Ronald Reagan, then Governor of California, told state legislators in 1971:
"Ezekiel tells us that Gog, the nation that will lead all of the other powers of darkness against Israel, will come out of the north. Biblical scholars have been saying for generations that Gog must be Russia. What other powerful nation is to the north of Israel? None. But it didn’t seem to make sense before the Russian revolution, when Russia was a Christian country. Now it does, now that Russia has become Communistic and atheistic, now that Russia has set itself against God. Now it fits the description of Gog perfectly."[SUP][59][/SUP]
Post Cold War-millenarians still identify Gog with Russia, but they now tend to stress his allies among Islamic nations, especially Iran.[SUP][60][/SUP] For the most fervent, the countdown to Armageddon began with the return of the Jews to Israel, followed quickly by further signs pointing to the nearness of the final battle–nuclear weapons, European integration, Israel's seizure of Jerusalem, and America's wars in Afghanistan and the Gulf.[SUP][61][/SUP] In the prelude to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, President George W. Bush told Jacques Chirac that Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East: "This confrontation is willed by God," he told the French leader, "who wants us to use this conflict to erase his people's enemies before a New Age begins."[6
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_Council_on_Foreign_Relations
Members of the Council on Foreign Relations
- George H.W. Bush (41st President of the United States)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush
Late in his junior year he was, like his father Prescott Bush (1917), initiated into the Skull and Bones secret society. He graduated as a member of the Phi Beta Kappa from Yale in 1948 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in economics.[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush
Prescott Sheldon Bush (May 15, 1895 – October 8, 1972) was an American banker and politician. He was a Wall Street executive banker and a United States Senator, representing Connecticut from 1952 until January 1963. He was the father of George H. W. Bush (41st President of the United States) and the grandfather of George W. Bush (43rd President of the United States) and Jeb Bush (43rd Governor of Florida).
during World War I, also a federal government official in charge of coordination of and assistance to major weapons contractors.
According to Skull and Bones lore, Prescott Bush was among a group of Bonesmen who dug up and removed the skull of Geronimo from his grave at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, in 1918.[SUP][2][/SUP] According to historian David L. Miller, the Bonesmen probably dug up somebody at Fort Sill, but not Geronimo
Bush was a founding member and one of seven directors (including W. Averell Harriman) of the Union Banking Corporation (holding a single share out of 4,000 as a director), an investment bank that operated as a clearing house for many assets and enterprises held by German steel magnate Fritz Thyssen.[SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP] In July 1942, the bank was suspected of holding gold on behalf of Nazi leaders.[SUP][8][/SUP] A subsequent government investigation disproved those allegations but confirmed the Thyssens' control, and in October 1942 the United States seized the bank under the Trading with the Enemy Act and held the assets for the duration of World War II
According to journalist Joe Conason, Prescott Bush's involvement with UBC was purely commercial and he was not a Nazi sympathizer.[SUP][9][/SUP] The Anti-Defamation League[SUP][10][/SUP] and historian Herbert Parmet[SUP][7][/SUP] agreed with that assessment.
He was involved with the American Birth Control League as early as 1942, and served as the treasurer of the first national capital campaign of Planned Parenthood in 1947.
Bush often agreed with New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller. According to Theodore H. White's book about the 1964 election, Bush and Rockefeller were longtime friends. Bush favored a Nixon-Rockefeller ticket for 1960
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So for those catching all the pointers in the information i'm posting you will have noticed the recurring themes:
These guys are not 'jews' or 'christians' or 'muslims' they are occultists who are using those religions as pawns in their power games
Their aim is to destroy all those religions on the road to a new world order.....a new order for a new age
Their order...and it won't be a nice one
Their plan is total control of everyone on the planet. They seek to use things like UN Agenda 21 to move people into urban zones who are then blocked from going into various zones that will be allocated for things like agriculture and mining and so on
The society in the hunger games films is basically agenda 21
To achieve this the cabal aims to drastically reduce the worlds population and they even flaunt this publically with things like the georgia guidestones
They are going to try and turn christians, muslims and jews against each other into a major conflagoration in the middle east
They have carried out a coup in ukraine recently and have installed their own puppet leadership there who have just dropped a law preventing NATO from placing nuclear weapons within ukrainian borders
This insane cabal are going to push NATO missiles as close to russia as they can in what is a dangerous game the likes of which the world has not seen since the cuban missile crisis
People need to stop cheering this on.....unless of course you are one of the lucky few who are on the entry lists of the nuclear shelters and DUMB's (deep underground military bases)
And for crying out loud...stop voting for their politicians!
- rothschilds
- banking
- secret societies
These guys are not 'jews' or 'christians' or 'muslims' they are occultists who are using those religions as pawns in their power games
Their aim is to destroy all those religions on the road to a new world order.....a new order for a new age
Their order...and it won't be a nice one
Their plan is total control of everyone on the planet. They seek to use things like UN Agenda 21 to move people into urban zones who are then blocked from going into various zones that will be allocated for things like agriculture and mining and so on
The society in the hunger games films is basically agenda 21
To achieve this the cabal aims to drastically reduce the worlds population and they even flaunt this publically with things like the georgia guidestones
They are going to try and turn christians, muslims and jews against each other into a major conflagoration in the middle east
They have carried out a coup in ukraine recently and have installed their own puppet leadership there who have just dropped a law preventing NATO from placing nuclear weapons within ukrainian borders
This insane cabal are going to push NATO missiles as close to russia as they can in what is a dangerous game the likes of which the world has not seen since the cuban missile crisis
People need to stop cheering this on.....unless of course you are one of the lucky few who are on the entry lists of the nuclear shelters and DUMB's (deep underground military bases)
And for crying out loud...stop voting for their politicians!
[MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION] I can guarantee that nobody is reading all your stuff. I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve but this tactic of yours is definitely not working in your favour. I know that you won't agree with me on this, but I believe that if the amount of energy you spend on this stuff was spent on something useful then I think that you could actually make a difference. You're a smart guy but you're wasting your time. Right now you just turn off people and they tune you out. I'm pretty sure that others have the same eye-rolling reaction as I have when they see you start posting huge amounts of information on threads. Just saying...
The facts don't match your viewpoint
Please take some time to look around the forum at what the most popular threads are
They are the threads containing INFORMATION
People want information NOT opinion
if they want someones opinion they don't need to go online they could ask anyone around them
They want information
My threads and the threads i post on get the most hits because i provide INFORMATION
Do you really think people visit those threads to hear the opinions of some of the consistently pissy and ignorant forum members?
No
They go to hear INFORMATION
There are some people on this forum who understand the difference between INFORMATION and OPINION; the threads those people post information on are the busiest
I know this is a painful thing for those who have lost debates to swallow but there is a reason they lost those debates: they haven't been looking at INFORMATION
You are making assumptions (like we all do). Your arrogance is actually quite amazing. You seem to have narcissistic traits. I see more evidence of people being annoyed by you than supporting your view on this. I don't really care though, keep going if you want. I was just giving my opinion, which as far as I know is allowed. Personally, I come to this forum to discuss interesting things and to entertain myself, and I truly appreciate getting different opinions. That's what I like about it because the opinions are interesting. I don't have any intuitives around me so the discussions are a little flat. I can get my information from other sources, as I wouldn't consider this type of website a credible source for information.
I don't see that holding your ground when you have facts behind you is arrogant
It only appears that way to those who haven't bothered to learn the facts
The REAL arrogance and narcissism is those people who forcefully push their opinion on others when they don't have the facts
So instead of attacking my character...why don't you go to the information and check the information?
lol...it's incredible! ***shakes head in disbelief***
I'll stop after this comment as this is really tiring and I do have better things to do. I just had to point out that a lot of what you post seems to be opinion. Many of the articles are just the authors stating their opinion and analysis, the same as people on here. Now, you may consider their opinions to be more informed or the people to be more credible which would be a consideration, but in the end most of it is opinion.
Ok. I lied, one more thing... [MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION] , what if I read all your stuff and decide that I believe it. What then? What use is it for me to believe that stuff? What can I do about it?
All you are doing is proselytizing just like religious people do. You want to convert us to your 'belief system' and your 'truth'.
All you are doing is proselytizing just like religious people do. You want to convert us to your 'belief system' and your 'truth'.
Well you see this whole democracy deal....that's about us making democratic decisions based on knowing what the truth is
So you see.....it's not so easy to make the correct democratic decisions if you don't know the truth is is it?
So what you can do about it is know the truth and then start making decisions based upon that
I tend to only speak when i'm certain of something
It's not about 'my beliefs'
if you look at the information i'm providing i am sharing factual data as well as quotes of the players involved in these events. this then provides insight into THEIR beliefs
So for example i posted a quote above by president george bush talking about a biblical showdown (involving nucler weapons)
Don't you think such views are in the public interest to be known?