12-Step Meetings Confrontation.

I have no idea...

 

That really sucks. I'm sorry they responded to you in that way, Not2beforgot10.

I'm not familiar with al-anon's approach or philosophy, but you raised some interesting points that I think deserve to be addressed (even if they didn't agree with them). I'm very shocked that they decided to block you and barred all communication. That's bewildering to me. I'm sorry you had that experience, especially from a group that is supposed to be helpful .

I had a very brief experience with a 12-step group. It wasn't al-anon, but I felt extremely uncomfortable and never returned again. It wasn't anything offensive that turned me away - just the philosophy of the 12 steps themselves, the constant mention of 'God as a Higher Power', and feeling like I had to adopt that philosophy. Plus, the group was completely out of my age and life range. So, it wasn't for me.

 

Well, I can say that the response to a legitimate concern about the conduct and content of your meetings is most distressing.

However, it does show that you are a very perceptive and intelligent individual.

I've not been to 12 step meetings, so I can't answer your OP....Sorry...

 

Maybe you were kicked out for being right. I've never heard of al-anon, but it doesn't sound like a very reputable forum if they refuse to discuss an issue a member brings up that challenges them.

That's pretty scary since it's a legitimate professional organization (from what I gather in my looking into it just now). Their actions were irresponsible and that's really sad considering that they state that their purpose is to bring people in despair over the alcoholism of a loved one together to empower, support, and encourage one another. The fact that they banned you seems counter-productive to their goal.

Like I said, I am not familiar with this group, but if that is just what you told them, I'd say you said it with respect and insight, and it doesn't read like an attack. Doesn't seem like you're susceptible to group-think. I hope you are able to find other resources.

 

How odd. I thought 12-step programs were supposed to be about honesty, and its not like you were expressing your opinion belligerently. It is a valid view point.

Anyways you do have a point there. Keep in mind though that many people who go to al-anon are codependent, and are willing (to some degree) to put up with an abusive relationship because they have positive feelings for the alcohol abuser otherwise (or rely on abusive dynamics in some way). I agree that al-anon basically enables, but so long as that person has the choice then I don't see anything wrong with it so long as its understood that the person has consent to exit the relationship at any time.

 

True support groups have facilitators with no real leadership. The chatroom in itself is not indicative of a true alcoholics anonymous group.

Also, the term is survivor of abuse, not "victim" of abuse.

 

Well, maybe it's the way they've dealt with folks in the past who honestly have issues with the Al-Anon method, but haven't quite handled the conversations tactfully. I'd see if you can request a dialog with the moderator, and ask them why you were barred from posting. Perhaps if you made your case known, they'd allow you access to the forums?

The hardest part is, if you are going to follow a method, there isn't much room for going outside that method. You'll be branded a "heretic" at the very least.

You might want to try some alternative Al-Anon/AA sites. There are a few out there, but not many. You have to search for them.

 

Sounds like you got in a bad group

In my late teens/early 20's, I attended many Al-Anon meetings. They really didn't work for me (repetitive complaining, nobody taking steps forward, tremendous self-pity - like hey, aren't we ALL there because we're in pain?). On the advice of a friend who was really committed to and helped by Al-Anon, I tried going to different groups, but I couldn't find one that wasn't the same people, saying the same things, week after week, with no apparent desire for or intentions to change themselves or the situation they were in.

This contrasted strongly with my own instinct, which was to remove myself from the destructive relationship rather than wait for the other individual to change... or continue being slowly destroyed by the relationship, work on healing myself, and then see what the situation looked like down the road.

Even my mother (who was sober for the 15+ years after she quit drinking to her death) could never find an AA meeting she felt comfortable in, or people in them she could relate to.

While I myself and my mother did not feel guided or supported by these 12-Step groups, I do know several other people who have considered them a live saving resource.

I guess it just depends on the individual and possibly lucking out with a good group.

 

Yeah...the problem with the AA/Al-Anon philosophy is, you can never be totally well. You are always sick, and therefore subject to falling into the same self-destructive patterns at any time of your sobriety. And personally? I think that *is* a victim-type mentality. You can never grow. You're stunted. You're done.

On the other hand, thinking you *are* cured when you still have things to work through--? Also very dangerous.

 

I understand, Not2bforgot10.

 

I can't speak on behalf of alcohol, but the "you're never cured" mentality terrifies the living daylights out of me. It honestly frightens me. It's like carrying a burden around with you your entire life..

As someone who's dealt with something similar, I am screaming out in fear inside when I am reminded of that. While I don't disparage that this may be true for some people, for me it seems like an awful way to live. I find it incredibly depressing and hopeless.

 

I have, Al-Anon and ACOA.

I had individual counseling which focused on ACOA, and did me a world of good. The 12-Step programs did not work for me.

 

Theoretically, yes. Both of my parents (and my stepmother) were alcoholics, though my mother stopped drinking 15 years before she died (cancer) and we became the very closest and best of friends. Both of my parents are now dead, and I have no alcoholism to deal with of any kind in my life, so all those triggers are mostly in my past.

No, the therapy was when I was in my mid 20's, when my life was spiralling out of control. It was effective enough to set me on a new path, and in fact I more or less tore myself down and rebuilt myself at about age 25. By 27 I was well on the road to becoming who I am now.

 

Wow Zen...I feel for you. Both of my parents were alcoholics as well. My father passed when I was 20 (still drinking) and my mother didn't sober up until a few years back, but she was remarkably destructive up until then (I think there may be bi-polar issues as well). I hit rock-bottom with my co-dependence issues a few years back and got personal therapy which really helped.

It's amazing how fixing that one aspect of myself and my relationship with my mom dramatically improved the quality of my life and my sense of self-worth and happiness, and helped me see when a relationship is healthy and when it's not.