Youth Going Through Gender Transition Are More At Risk Of Psychiatric Issues

QuickTwist said:
You didn't say that...

And because you didn't say that, I'm disingenuous? Huh?

I am the arbiter of nothing. I said I know something about Christianity. I didn't say I was an expert.

Go back and look at what I actually said. I said I stay in my lane when I don't know ANYTHING about it. Then I said Christianity is not one of those things. I clearly know more about it than some people, but others know way more about it than me.

A lot of these kinds of problems would be solved if people actually went by what I said instead of what they think I said.
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It's ok I still love you, despite your crushing blows of irrefutable Jesus Juijitsu Justice logic
 
QuickTwist said:
What do you mean? I listen to people all the time.

IDK why this idea of using all-or-nothing thinking is a sore spot for you. You have done it like three times in this conversation atp.
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You think being trans is a mental illness and will you not look into the alternatives of why its not.

I guess because its your interpretation of the bible and no facts or arguments will change your mind. You just ignore them.

So you ignore them on purpose of because of something else.

I cannot tell what that something else is.

It might be: "I understand the bible better than these people so I am right about how being trans is a mental illness".

That is all I can think of.
 
Fruiteloop said:
You think being trans is a mental illness and will you not look into the alternatives of why its not.

I guess because its your interpretation of the bible and no facts or arguments will change your mind. You just ignore them.

So you ignore them on purpose of because of something else.

I cannot tell what that something else is.

It might be: "I understand the bible better than these people so I am right about how being trans is a mental illness".

That is all I can think of.
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I think gender dysphoria is a mental issue. Yes, I do. As such, it should be treated as a mental issue and not a physical issue. This is what I have been saying since the beginning.
 
QuickTwist said:
I think gender dysphoria is a mental issue. Yes, I do. As such, it should be treated as a mental issue and not a physical issue. This is what I have been saying since the beginning.
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But I think you do not understand:

The mental and physical are related in some way.

The cause of such things should be looked into and not just making labels that treat people the wrong way given their individuality.
 
Fruiteloop said:
But I think you do not understand:

The mental and physical are related in some way.

The cause of such things should be looked into and not just making labels that treat people the wrong way given their individuality.
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You were talking about how the qualia of maleness/femaleness are not physical, so I'm confused about what you are saying here.
 
QuickTwist said:
You were talking about how the qualia of maleness/femaleness are not physical, so I'm confused about what you are saying here.
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The mind body problem has never been resolved but we need not just be satisfied with no examination of that subject.

If dysphoria exists then its both physical and mental but we always are to look for causes even with the mind body problem being unresolved.
 
Since I'm apparently a Satanist now, I thought I'd let you all know that my evil deed of the day was feeding some rather large koi a little too much fish food
Muahahaha
 
Fruiteloop said:
The mind body problem has never been resolved but we need not just be satisfied with no examination of that subject.

If dysphoria exists then its both physical and mental but we always are to look for causes even with the mind body problem being unresolved.
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Okay, how is it physical? And how are you not contradicting yourself?
 
QuickTwist said:
Okay, how is it physical? And how are you not contradicting yourself?
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We experience the physical in a subjective way.

Unless you are a rock then there is a feeling of what it is to be male and a feeling of what it is to be female.

The origination of the feeling would derive from the source of brain morphology in males and females.

Male/Female brain -> subjective experience of male/female psychology

You do understand that females have a different psychology than males and it comes from brain morphology correct?
 
QuickTwist said:
IDK what this means... 360? What?

Who else uses pentagrams besides Satanists???
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Quick, there is a subtle theological irony in seeing you invoke a 'license' to speak of Scriptures, while you embody exactly the figure that those same Scriptures have chosen as the symbol of the spiritual obstacle: the Pharisee.

You have confused the knowledge of verses with the understanding of the Logos. The Pharisee is not one who does not know the law, but one who uses it as armor to protect an ego that fears the light.

You accuse others of satanism or wrong interpretations only because their freedom of thought exposes your rigidity.

You do not need to defend the Bible from me or others; you should worry about how the Bible describes those who act exactly like you.

Matthew 23:27-28.

'Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.'

Anyway, compliments on the trap you tried to set, but your own attitude betrayed you.

Here is my answer.

Ps :Starting from psychiatric issues to accuse others of not being Christians or of being Satanists is a Top Gun move


-Giammarco
 
Akar said:
Quick, there is a subtle theological irony in seeing you invoke a 'license' to speak of Scriptures, while you embody exactly the figure that those same Scriptures have chosen as the symbol of the spiritual obstacle: the Pharisee.

You have confused the knowledge of verses with the understanding of the Logos. The Pharisee is not one who does not know the law, but one who uses it as armor to protect an ego that fears the light.

You accuse others of satanism or wrong interpretations only because their freedom of thought exposes your rigidity.

You do not need to defend the Bible from me or others; you should worry about how the Bible describes those who act exactly like you.

Matthew 23:27-28.

'Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.'

Anyway, compliments on the trap you tried to set, but your own attitude betrayed you.

Here is my answer.

Ps :Starting from psychiatric issues to accuse others of not being Christians or of being Satanists is a Top Gun move


-Giammarco
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This was not the issue with the pharisees... that they obeyed God's law too legalistically. It was because in public they were pious and lacked humility, whilst behind closed doors they were another. They were jealous of Jesus, and were more concerned with being outwardly self righteous than really knowing God closely- one on one when no one else was looking. Because they held tiny societal taxes and rules in higher regard than the word of God Himself..

In this article it's explained more clearly.

What’s So Bad About The Pharisees?​

Ryan Goodwin
07/18/21 - Attitude

Were The Pharisees Condemned For Being Too Righteous?

Some would say that Jesus condemned them because they obeyed the Law of God too strictly or too closely. But where does Jesus ever say that? Where does God ever condemn people for being too good? What verse leads us to believe that obedience is a bad thing? When did God say to the Pharisees, “Hey! Loosen up, guys. If you keep taking my words so seriously you’re going to end up lost”? So what are the reasons that are actually given in the Bible for their condemnation?

They were condemned for blatant hypocrisy (Matthew 23:3).

They placed their human traditions and customs ahead of scriptures, in violation of them (Matthew 15:3).

They were self-righteous (Luke 18:9).

They served God for human praise and recognition (Matthew 6:1).

They were condemned for a failure to recognize truth (Matthew 21:27).

Pharisees wielded their power to hinder the faith of others (John 12:42).

Far from being condemned for obeying the Law too closely, they were actually called by Jesus for not obeying the Law correctly. A part of His condemnation was due to the fact that they chose to ignore certain areas of the Law (justice, mercy, and faith in Matthew 23:23). Jesus considered every part of the Law to be important, even tithing.

“Hypocrites!”
 
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Misty said:
This was not the issue with the pharisees... that they obeyed God's law too legalistically. It was because in public they were pious and lacked humility, whilst behind closed doors they were another. They were jealous of Jesus, and were more concerned with being outwardly self righteous than really knowing God closely- one on one when no one else was looking. Because they held tiny societal taxes and rules in higher regard than the word of God Himself..

In this article it's explained more clearly.

What’s So Bad About The Pharisees?​

Ryan Goodwin
07/18/21 - Attitude

Were The Pharisees Condemned For Being Too Righteous?

Some would say that Jesus condemned them because they obeyed the Law of God too strictly or too closely. But where does Jesus ever say that? Where does God ever condemn people for being too good? What verse leads us to believe that obedience is a bad thing? When did God say to the Pharisees, “Hey! Loosen up, guys. If you keep taking my words so seriously you’re going to end up lost”? So what are the reasons that are actually given in the Bible for their condemnation?

They were condemned for blatant hypocrisy (Matthew 23:3).

They placed their human traditions and customs ahead of scriptures, in violation of them (Matthew 15:3).

They were self-righteous (Luke 18:9).

They served God for human praise and recognition (Matthew 6:1).

They were condemned for a failure to recognize truth (Matthew 21:27).

Pharisees wielded their power to hinder the faith of others (John 12:42).

Far from being condemned for obeying the Law too closely, they were actually called by Jesus for not obeying the Law correctly. A part of His condemnation was due to the fact that they chose to ignore certain areas of the Law (justice, mercy, and faith in Matthew 23:23). Jesus considered every part of the Law to be important, even tithing.

“Hypocrites!”
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Yes ,this is a strongpoint for everyone.

‘Jesus considered every part of the Law to be important, even tithing.’
‘A part of His condemnation was due to the fact that they chose to ignore certain areas of the Law (justice, mercy, and faith in Matthew 23:23).’

In my view we should all think about this.
@QuickTwist I’m sorry, you ain’t a Pharisee.
Sorry man , really. We are all human beings.

I'm quite new, but I think this forum was created to help each other not to spread division. So let’s keep it real and help.

-Giammarco
 
Fruiteloop said:
We experience the physical in a subjective way.

Unless you are a rock then there is a feeling of what it is to be male and a feeling of what it is to be female.

The origination of the feeling would derive from the source of brain morphology in males and females.

Male/Female brain -> subjective experience of male/female psychology

You do understand that females have a different psychology than males and it comes from brain morphology correct?
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Thanks. So, you basically agree with what I was saying on Page 2-3.

QuickTwist said:
You are conflating psychology and generally mental conceptions with scientific realities.

I agree that some people are more masculine or more feminine. This says absolutely nothing about the person's sex. If you want to say masculine and feminine have to do with gender, then fine. But I don't believe someone can be "trigendered" or whatever other madness people are coming up with.
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Fruiteloop said:
No I do not believe in a tri gender.

Yes I do think some people are more masculine and some are more feminine but I see that as separate from sex and more to do with how they experience reality.

Because how can ones experience of being male or female be scientifically explained? I do not think it can.

Female type persons experience being female not scientifically but inside themselves, in the body heart and mind.
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QuickTwist said:
How?

Brain chemistry, hormones, even the way our bodies function. There are many ways people experience their sex scientifically.
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QuickTwist said:
Thanks. So, you basically agree with what I was saying on Page 2-3.

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I do not think you understand yet again.
That is no way invalidates gender dysphoric people have the psychology they do.
If the gender dysphoric person has a brain gender opposite to the genitalia then this is the cause.

You believe having a penis automatically will make the brain male but it does not.
If brains are male or female we can say there can be a mismatch.
When you have a penis and that does not make the brain male automatically.
You can have a female brain in a body with a penis that does not make a mental illness

So being as it were that they do have the opposite brain gender to the genitalia that in no way means they have a mental illness.

If the genitalia does not match the psychology that does not make you mentally ill because:

Having a male psychology does not make you mentally ill
Having a female psychology does not make you mentally ill

Let me again say psychology of males and females is different so that in no way invalidates subjective experience.
Simply there is distress because they feel they are in the wrong body and that is correct because they have opposite brains to the genitalia.
Experience of ones psychology is not invalidating the experience of ones genitalia as a mismatch which is the case in these people.
 
Fruiteloop said:
I do not think you understand yet again.
That is no way invalidates gender dysphoric people have the psychology they do.
If the gender dysphoric person has a brain gender opposite to the genitalia then this is the cause.

You believe having a penis automatically will make the brain male but it does not.
If brains are male or female we can say there can be a mismatch.
When you have a penis and that does not make the brain male automatically.
You can have a female brain in a body with a penis that does not make a mental illness

So being as it were that they do have the opposite brain gender to the genitalia that in no way means they have a mental illness.

If the genitalia does not match the psychology that does not make you mentally ill because:

Having a male psychology does not make you mentally ill
Having a female psychology does not make you mentally ill

Let me again say psychology of males and females is different so that in no way invalidates subjective experience.
Simply there is distress because they feel they are in the wrong body and that is correct because they have opposite brains to the genitalia.
Experience of ones psychology is not invalidating the experience of ones genitalia as a mismatch which is the case in these people.
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You make claims that a male can have a female brain and vice versa, but where is the evidence for this?
 
Fruiteloop said:
I do not think you understand yet again.
That is no way invalidates gender dysphoric people have the psychology they do.
If the gender dysphoric person has a brain gender opposite to the genitalia then this is the cause.

You believe having a penis automatically will make the brain male but it does not.
If brains are male or female we can say there can be a mismatch.
When you have a penis and that does not make the brain male automatically.
You can have a female brain in a body with a penis that does not make a mental illness

So being as it were that they do have the opposite brain gender to the genitalia that in no way means they have a mental illness.

If the genitalia does not match the psychology that does not make you mentally ill because:

Having a male psychology does not make you mentally ill
Having a female psychology does not make you mentally ill

Let me again say psychology of males and females is different so that in no way invalidates subjective experience.
Simply there is distress because they feel they are in the wrong body and that is correct because they have opposite brains to the genitalia.
Experience of ones psychology is not invalidating the experience of ones genitalia as a mismatch which is the case in these
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QuickTwist said:
I think gender dysphoria is a mental issue. Yes, I do. As such, it should be treated as a mental issue and not a physical issue. This is what I have been saying since the beginning
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UP

So fruite, do you agree or disagree with this doctor?

-Giammarco

Edit: @Fruiteloop it’s for the love of truth . Nothing else
 
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Fruiteloop said:
First of all do you agree that males and females have different brains?
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For the most part, yes. That is different than saying a male can have a female brain. After all, how on earth would that ever happen? What would be the cause for a male to have a female brain? Would it be genetic? Then it should be in the gene expression. That is what you would need to show. That the type of brain a person has is based on their DNA, to the effect that their DNA has male genitals and a female brain.
 
Akar said:
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So fruite, do you agree or disagree with this doctor?

-Giammarco

Edit: @Fruiteloop it’s for the love of truth . Nothing else
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Not sure what I am supposed to be agreeing or disagreeing with in that video?

She lists "symptoms" then says how they are treated (surgery, affirmation/acceptance of the person)

So maybe you could say the distress is the illness but she does not state any actual causes.

Not stating actual causes is my whole problem with psychiatry.

But the distress is real.

I have seen that most mental illnesses are actually because of malnutrition and or dieses in the body/brain we label as mental illness.

Only recently have doctors for example been able to find actual links between biological functions in Alzheimer's and working treatments.

Many treatments for Alzheimer's cost little money and not billions on a single medication so they are not funded as much.
 
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