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Wyote said:
Yeah you did, you've been attempting it this whole time and failing comically
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Try to make a logical argument for how I am forcing people what to believe. I present information. People can accept it or reject it. I just give evidence. If you reject the evidence, that's your business.
 
Fruiteloop said:
ok

but then you'd expect people to be able to talk about such matters in good faith.

I would allow people to talk about interpretation no matter if Christian or not.
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If the Bible says Christ rose from the dead, and a person who is not a Christian says, "Well, it doesn't really mean he was raised from the dead" (some people actually do this), then why would I trust them on other things the Bible says?
 
QuickTwist said:
If the Bible says Christ rose from the dead, and a person who is not a Christian says, "Well, it doesn't really mean he was raised from the dead" (some people actually do this), then why would I trust them on other things the Bible says?
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many Christians were skeptics so you cannot trust them I supose?

I just hear them out on what they have to say.
 
Fruiteloop said:
many Christians were skeptics so you cannot trust them I supose?

I just hear them out on what they have to say.
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"Were" is doing the heavy lifting here.

Some people who claim to be Christians don't believe in the resurrection. If you think they are still a Christian, IDK what to tell you...

Not every idea deserves the same level of respect or acknowledgement. Some ideas are just bad, and it's okay to say that they are bad ideas.

For an example of what I am talking about, Bart Ehrman is a critical scholar of the NT. He's an atheist. He is very well known. I don't trust his interpretation of things in the Bible because he is not a believer himself and has motive to misinterpret the Bible.
 
QuickTwist said:
"Were" is doing the heavy lifting here.

Some people who claim to be Christians don't believe in the resurrection. If you think they are still a Christian, IDK what to tell you...

Not every idea deserves the same level of respect or acknowledgement. Some ideas are just bad, and it's okay to say that they are bad ideas.

For an example of what I am talking about, Bart Ehrman is a critical scholar of the NT. He's an atheist. He is very well known. I don't trust his interpretation of things in the Bible because he is not a believer himself and has motive to misinterpret the Bible.
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Then what is your point of having discussions if you already know that the other person is going to be wrong.

I get you dislike trans people but that's no excuse for pushing some agenda.

You can see how you completely disregarded most of what has said and switched topics.

If the bible shows that trans persons should not be treated as they should be please make that clear.

I doubt you case make the case and are just arguing from nowhere to spread other materials.
 
Fruiteloop said:
Then what is your point of having discussions if you already know that the other person is going to be wrong.

I get you dislike trans people but that's no excuse for pushing some agenda.

You can see how you completely disregarded most of what has said and switched topics.

If the bible shows that trans persons should not be treated as they should be please make that clear.

I doubt you case make the case and are just arguing from nowhere to spread other materials.
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IDK what you are talking about. You are the one moving the goalpost.
 
Fruiteloop said:
Again if you believe people do not have the right to speak on what they think of the bible freely then you are trying to control them.
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People can say whatever they want. I don't have to agree with it.

Like, in order for me to be "forcing" anyone here, there would need to be some sort of consequence for not doing what I say/think. There are no consequences except that I may tell you you're wrong.
 
QuickTwist said:
Some ideas are just bad, and it's okay to say that they are bad ideas.
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But not if it's any ideas that you think are good, then it's bad rofl
 
QuickTwist said:
People can say whatever they want. I don't have to agree with it.

Like, in order for me to be "forcing" anyone here, there would need to be some sort of consequence for not doing what I say/think. There are no consequences except that I may tell you you're wrong.
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I do not mind that I am told I am wrong but I at least expect them to make the case for it.

All this stuff about how if your not Christian you are not allowed to say anything about it is to me has no power behind it other that you say its not allowed. And the makes assumptions about the person you direct that towards not the content of what they are saying.

So I say why not look at what others say. You say different so just blab about how trans person bad with no substance.
 
QuickTwist said:
People can say whatever they want. I don't have to agree with it.

Like, in order for me to be "forcing" anyone here, there would need to be some sort of consequence for not doing what I say/think. There are no consequences except that I may tell you you're wrong.
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I take it back, you're hilarious
 
Fruiteloop said:
I do not mind that I am told I am wrong but I at least expect them to make the case for it.

All this stuff about how if your not Christian you are not allowed to say anything about it is to me has no power behind it other that you say its not allowed. And the makes assumptions about the person you direct that towards not the content of what they are saying.

So I say why not look at what others say. You say different so just blab about how trans person bad with no substance.
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Why do you keep putting words in my mouth? I didn't say you can't say ANYTHING about it. It means I don't trust what the person says about the Bible.

People can and do say a lot of things. That does not mean they are right or that I have to accept what they say. A broken clock is right twice a day.

I think you are far too accepting of others' PoV. I think there is always a correct answer, even if there is more than one correct answer. Not all answers are equally viable.
 
QuickTwist said:
I think you are far too accepting of others' PoV. I think there is always a correct answer, even if there is more than one correct answer. Not all answers are equally viable.
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Because according to you, all the viable answers are the ones you've given clearance to. All the correct answers are ones you have personally discovered and vetted through your own personal interpretations.
 
Wyote said:
Because according to you, all the viable answers are the ones you've given clearance to. All the correct answers are ones you have personally discovered and vetted through your own personal interpretations.
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Actually, I stay in my lane if there is a topic I don't know anything about. There are lots of things I don't know about. Christianity isn't one of them.
 
QuickTwist said:
Why do you keep putting words in my mouth? I didn't say you can't say ANYTHING about it. It means I don't trust what the person says about the Bible.

People can and do say a lot of things. That does not mean they are right or that I have to accept what they say. A broken clock is right twice a day.

I think you are far too accepting of others' PoV. I think there is always a correct answer, even if there is more than one correct answer. Not all answers are equally viable.
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Rant:

Just because I might seem like I accept others views does not mean I always absolutely do.

But in places where I have to interact with people I always make it clear that if they don't care about what I think then I will not let them try and control me in anyway that has to do with them thinking low of me and that included looking at where they come from even if I do not like it.

Many people look down on me so they are not people I believe care about truth at all or they simply have problems.

Those people that do not care about others and only themselves are selfish **** so then you cannot expect them to talk to you like a human being where you come to a reconciliation of why they disagree.

The famous line from the 1996 movie Matilda is spoken by Harry Wormwood (Danny DeVito) to Matilda: "I'm smart, you're dumb; I'm big, you're little; I'm right, you're wrong, and there's nothing you can do about it". This quote highlights the bullying dynamic between Matilda and her father.
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One must care about what others think if you even have a chance to come to mutual understanding.

If a person only cares what they themselves think that is unfortunate.
 
Fruiteloop said:
Just because I might seem like I accept others views does not mean I always absolutely do.
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I didn't say you did. "Always absolutely" isn't something I said.

I know you are just ranting, so I don't mind. Just try to keep the "absolute" language more reasonable. If someone is speaking in generalities, it's not good to assume they mean it absolutely. Just a little tip.
 
QuickTwist said:
I didn't say you did. "Always absolutely" isn't something I said.

I know you are just ranting, so I don't mind. Just try to keep the "absolute" language more reasonable. If someone is speaking in generalities, it's not good to assume they mean it absolutely. Just a little tip.
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You just do not care what others think.

Which means you are blocked from understanding allot of people.
 
QuickTwist said:
Actually, I stay in my lane if there is a topic I don't know anything about. There are lots of things I don't know about. Christianity isn't one of them.
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You know I meant in terms of Christianity specifically lol that's what we've been discussing
So disingenuous smh
You're admitting being an arbiter of Christianity here in your own words so this proves my point, thank you 🎩
 
Wyote said:
You know I meant in terms of Christianity specifically lol that's what we've been discussing
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You didn't say that...

And because you didn't say that, I'm disingenuous? Huh?

I am the arbiter of nothing. I said I know something about Christianity. I didn't say I was an expert.

Go back and look at what I actually said. I said I stay in my lane when I don't know ANYTHING about it. Then I said Christianity is not one of those things. I clearly know more about it than some people, but others know way more about it than me.

A lot of these kinds of problems would be solved if people actually went by what I said instead of what they think I said.
 
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