Youth Going Through Gender Transition Are More At Risk Of Psychiatric Issues

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QuickTwist said:
I'm sorry, which of the scientific claims from the article are you disputing?
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None. I am looking at the larger social context. The research is what it is.

My comment stands.

Cheers,
Ian
 
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aeon said:
None. I am looking at the larger social context. The research is what it is.

My comment stands.

Cheers,
Ian
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One could also say that you hate a religion of love without actually understanding much about that religion.

These kinds of reductions of "what Christians do" are often taken from the worst examples that are neither common practice in the religion, nor do anything to actually undermine the religion as a whole.
 
QuickTwist said:
One could also say that you hate a religion of love without actually understanding much about that religion.
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Yes, one could say that, and one would be wrong.

Cheers,
Ian
 
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aeon said:
My use of wrong was related to you imagining hate on my part. Therein was your potential for error.
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Well, actions speak louder than words...

You say you don't hate Christianity, but when I post a scientific article, you immediately attack my religion, rather than saying a dang thing about the article. Your comment on Christianity has nothing to do with the OP. That is where I am concluding you hate Christianity--because religion has nothing to do with the OP. In other words, since you cannot combat the science, you attack the person (me) by saying some negative stuff about my religion.

It's typical behavior from someone who has no argument. They can't refute the facts, so they decide to attack something else completely unrelated to the topic to discredit the person who made the initial argument.

Would it be better to say you were strategic in criticizing my religion because you can't combat the evidence of the article I posted, or is it more likely you simply hate Christianity? The world may never know.
 
QuickTwist said:
You say you don't hate Christianity, but when I post a scientific article, you immediately attack my religion
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I did no such thing. That you think so speaks to your misunderstanding or misappropriation.

Actually go back and look at what I said. Not a word was said about your religion or any other.

My sense is you are arguing in bad faith, pun not intended. To that end, I have nothing more to say.

That said, should you choose to offer one, I would gladly accept your apology for your trespass.

Should you choose this opportunity to serve as an exemplar of your belief, that’s fine by me.

Cheers,
Ian
 
aeon said:
I did no such thing. That you think so speaks to your misunderstanding or misappropriation.

Actually go back and look at what I said. Not a word was said about your religion or any other.

My sense is you are arguing in bad faith, pun not intended. To that end, I have nothing more to say.

That said, should you choose to offer one, I would gladly accept your apology for your trespass.

Should you choose this opportunity to serve as an exemplar of your belief, that’s fine by me.

Cheers,
Ian
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Alright, here's what you actually said:

aeon said:
Makes sense when you are made perfect in the eyes of God, but are born into a world of judgemental pricks.

Cheers,
Ian
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Do you believe in God? If you don't, then it very much IS an attack on religions that believes that God exists, which you describe as "judgmental pricks." You must first believe that God exists to believe you are made perfect by Him. That's the logical conclusion that you can deduce from what you said if you do not believe in God. Why? Because if you do not believe in God, then one must ask why belief in God is tied to "judgmental pricks."

Further, I do not know who believes they are "made perfect in the eyes of God." Who is saying that, and what is the connection of that to the topic at hand?

Obviously, I am doing some heuristics because this is a sort of argument that people frequently make about people who believe in God by people who do not believe in God.

I am also going based on other things you have said on this forum about people who are religious and Christian, and context matters.
 
I’ll take that as a refusal, then.

Best to You,
Ian
 
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aeon said:
I’ll take that as a refusal, then.
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What are you talking about? Refusal of what? I am simply drawing out the implications of what YOU said. And now you want to peace out and try to take the higher moral ground?

Frankly, it is dishonest to punt here, given what I have drawn out from the implications of what you said. I am taking this as you conceding the point.
 
aeon said:
I am looking at the larger social context.
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As am I with your criticisms toward people that don't exist. I've never met a single person in my life who believed they were "Made perfect in the eyes of God."

Look, everyone knows what you meant. You acting coy as if you gained some sort of technical win is dishonest.
 
Original sin argument

God made a perfect world

then sin happened

now we have "deformities"

and this is not what God intended

but still people need to be treated properly and they are not treated properly

irrespective of transitions or not people should be treated properly
 
Fruiteloop said:
Original sin argument

God made a perfect world

then sin happened

now we have "deformities"

and this is not what God intended

but still people need to be treated properly and they are not treated properly

irrespective of transitions or not people should be treated properly
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I agree with all of that. There is a difference, however, between physical deformities and mental issues, and it is not good to conflate the two so that proper treatment can be done. There is no sense in treating a mental issue as though it were a physical issue and vice versa.
 
QuickTwist said:
I agree with all of that. There is a difference, however, between physical deformities and mental issues, and it is not good to conflate the two so that proper treatment can be done. There is no sense in treating a mental issue as though it were a physical issue and vice versa.
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I should be clear: I never said mental illness was caused by orignal sin.

A deformity by original sin is just that which makes you die perhaps by genetics.

but genetics can apply if we say such things are genetic that cause gender dysphoria

I do not believe all kids that have it really do have it because kids do not understannd much

but this is not to say gender dysphoria is not real just misunderstood by some kids who need different mental care than surgery.

The religion and such else is a distraction though because gender dysphoria is real but original sin has nothing to do with it?

It depend on what genetics is in religion which is undescribed in the bible? Though death is a genetic clock.
 
Fruiteloop said:
I should be clear: I never said mental illness was caused by orignal sin.

A deformity by original sin is just that which makes you die perhaps by genetics.

but genetics can apply if we say such things are genetic that cause gender dysphoria

I do not believe all kids that have it really do have it because kids do not understannd much

but this is not to say gender dysphoria is not real just misunderstood by some kids who need different mental care than surgery.

The religion and such else is a distraction though because gender dysphoria is real but original sin has nothing to do with it?

It depend on what genetics is in religion which is undescribed in the bible? Though death is a genetic clock.
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I'll be honest and say I don't understand all that you are saying here.

The idea of the fall of humanity into sin would imply more problems than merely physical because sin is not a physical thing, though it affects physical things.

You are correct that gender dysphoria is real for some people, but has been over-diagnosed, since you are also right that "kids don't know much," and it has become too common a practice to actually push gender dysphoria onto children who may just be a tomboy or whatever.

As far as religion and genetics is concerned, this is an area that I simply don't know much of anything about, and so I think with my untrained understanding, science is separate from religion since science and religion answer different questions. That is not to say that religion or particular religions, and even Christianity, should not have anything to say about genetics. Just that I am not sure that there must be a clear doctrine on genetics according to Christianity. It certainly does not seem like a salvific issue to me, at least.
 
Fruiteloop said:
It depend on what genetics is in religion which is undescribed in the bible? Though death is a genetic clock
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You are making a category error. You cannot use a theological construct like 'Original Sin' to explain genetic mechanisms. By saying that genetics is a 'genetic clock' caused by sin, you are conflating metaphysical beliefs with empirical biology. A correlation between a religious dogma and a genetic outcome is not a logical cause and effect relationship; it’s a non-sequitur.

my opinion eh

-Giammarco
 
@QuickTwist

@Akar

You seem to defend some kind of religion though.

You seem to make it a big deal in what you were fighting about with the other commenter.

Original sin supposedly caused everything die is says in the bible so the world is they way it is for that reason.

I was just adding my two cents.

To me dysphoria is a real phenomena.

But some religious people fight about it to make claims that its a sin or something which leads into such debates.

regardless, yes save the children the right way because the wrong way does not work.
 
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