Thanks [MENTION=731]the[/MENTION] I don't need luck. I just appreciate beauty when I see it and I manage to see it mostly everywhere
Women Constantly Making Themselves Look Good: Why?
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Thanks [MENTION=731]the[/MENTION] I don't need luck. I just appreciate beauty when I see it and I manage to see it mostly everywhere
So you think [MENTION=731]the[/MENTION] was serious when he said women are ugly?
Sorry, just wanted to add a little more. I think makeup is a type of art, and for many getting it right involves the satisfaction of practicing a craft/art . Liquid liner, for example, getting that right, wow.
This is so true. I am pretty low maintenance by default, but I noticed along with you that if I put effort into my appearance I was treated better by the world.
I see makeup as just a normal part of proper grooming for a healthy adult woman. If I'm sick or depressed I neglect it.
True. And not just women. A nice shave, well shaped eyebrows, a good haircut, looking well put together are priorities for lots of men. It's a discussion that applies to both sexes really.
Tin Man
"a respectable amount of screaming"
As others have said here, we all like to look pretty (whether it's for others or ourselves). But for men, it's a much simpler process. Women are expected to put in more effort and so they're more likely to be seen making themselves look good.
Who knows [MENTION=5511]ruji[/MENTION]? Sometimes hard to tell who's serious and who isn't on a forum board?
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I would like to point out that men generally aren't valued by their looks, and as such they try to be attractive in different ways.
Tin Man
"a respectable amount of screaming"
I disagree. Perhaps not to the extent that women are valued, but men are still pressured to look good. You don't see many ugly male models or ugly traditional male leads.
I DISAGREE WITH YOUR DISAGREEMENT
A good looking male is nothing to a woman but a superficial trophy to her ego. There are many opportunities for a guy to sabotage his own confidence. Whether it is looks, money, or whatever, he'll believe in whatever is easiest to accept, and any girl who has rejected him will simply go along with any his self-fulfilled prophecies he calls a "reason". Because ain't nobody got time to set him straight.
Tin Man
"a respectable amount of screaming"
Well, you could say the same for a woman. A good looking female is nothing to a man but a superficial trophy. I don't disagee with your other thoughts, but I'm not sure what it has to do with our intense, long fought and deeply spiteful disagreement.Sure there's many ways for a dude to sabotage his confidence, same as with a dudette. Maybe she thinks she's not smart enough or good enough. Or maybe she thinks she's too good, too good to put on a furry suit get down on all fours purring and rubbing against my leg...I mean a purely theoretical man's leg.
The thing that's missing is that men aren't the same as women.
Tin Man
"a respectable amount of screaming"
I agree, I just think that men are still pressured to look good in our society. Perhaps not in the same way as women, or not as much, but it's still there.
Exactly. And don’t forget being fresh-scrubbed, some product in the hair, to shine the shoes, iron and starch the clothes, the right watch, the nails trimmed and the cuticles maintained, and so on. And yes, many of those would fall under “looking well put together.”
And for that matter, know what your coloring and skin tones are, your color season, so you choose the right colors to wear.
Cheers,
Ian
Yes, there is pressure, but it is in my opinion that the need for men to look good is mostly fake. I think it's the result of consumerism in modern society. Might as well target men too. It's more money
Tin Man
"a respectable amount of screaming"
I don't know. I think it's always been there. Just look at dandies or the way certain cultures fetishized the male body. I don't think modern consumerism is the result of all those statues and paintings of perfectly chisled, and bronzed men.
Interesting perspectives. I've always been low maintenance or don't care too much kind of person. I don't wear makeup. Most I'll use is a lip gloss. If I was to wear makeup regularly, I'd choose eye liner and shadow with a light lip gloss but that's only on very very very very very special occasions. Wearing makeup feels unreal, mostly because I rarely do it, so when I do put it on, I feel like a clown at a circus trying to look like I'm sophisticated. 
It also makes me feel as if I'm putting on a show, and asking people to notice me, and I'd rather eat dirt. I admire women who are good at using cosmetics to enhance appearance. I'm sure if I made the effort, I could be ok at it. But don't really want to put that kind of attention on myself.
Can't ignore though that not wearing makeup to enhance appearance doesn't have an effect. Yes, you are more likely to be treated as if you're just a part of the scenery, but if people think you're "pretty" or attractive they will put more into helping you.
What's problematic is the assumption that you have less self esteem if you don't do these things to make yourself look good. *rolls eyes* If you don't wear it, apparently you're not trying hard enough to be beautiful or attractive. Apparently, to show her self confidence, it's expected for women to enhance her appearance.
Otherwise, prepare to feel like you're not really something to look at. It's sad. Women should feel comfortable looking great whether or not they wear makeup. They shouldn't be made to feel less. Anyway, that's the world for you. Personally, I think a women is most beautiful when she smiles and looks fresh and vibrant. A good moisturizer, a nice gloss to compliment her, and she's cool.
I'm more likely to spend time on clothing choices if I want to feel and look good. I know not wearing makeup or dressing to impress has indirectly affected how I'm seen or treated. It's hard not to notice, when you see your competition looking all cool and hot in their makeup. Can't say it doesn't make me a little envious, but what're you going to do. Like Rene Zellweger said in "Jerry Maguire," I'm just not built like that. I'll keep working with my natural look and see how far it gets me.
It also makes me feel as if I'm putting on a show, and asking people to notice me, and I'd rather eat dirt. I admire women who are good at using cosmetics to enhance appearance. I'm sure if I made the effort, I could be ok at it. But don't really want to put that kind of attention on myself.
Can't ignore though that not wearing makeup to enhance appearance doesn't have an effect. Yes, you are more likely to be treated as if you're just a part of the scenery, but if people think you're "pretty" or attractive they will put more into helping you.
What's problematic is the assumption that you have less self esteem if you don't do these things to make yourself look good. *rolls eyes* If you don't wear it, apparently you're not trying hard enough to be beautiful or attractive. Apparently, to show her self confidence, it's expected for women to enhance her appearance.
Otherwise, prepare to feel like you're not really something to look at. It's sad. Women should feel comfortable looking great whether or not they wear makeup. They shouldn't be made to feel less. Anyway, that's the world for you. Personally, I think a women is most beautiful when she smiles and looks fresh and vibrant. A good moisturizer, a nice gloss to compliment her, and she's cool.
I'm more likely to spend time on clothing choices if I want to feel and look good. I know not wearing makeup or dressing to impress has indirectly affected how I'm seen or treated. It's hard not to notice, when you see your competition looking all cool and hot in their makeup.
Can't say it doesn't make me a little envious, but what're you going to do. Like Rene Zellweger said in "Jerry Maguire," I'm just not built like that. I'll keep working with my natural look and see how far it gets me.
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My gal wears makeup. She does it for herself first, and because of her situation in the world, or better perhaps, the situation of the world she lives in.
I like it as an expression of her self, a very certain kind of artfulness. And that’s a part of who she is, and I accept her as she is.
I’ll take her either way, and do, and have. (quit snickering in the back seats, you!)
Eyes deceive anyway, so I’m not so concerned with what they tell me.
I place far more importance on how she sounds and tastes.
Cheers,
Ian
I like it as an expression of her self, a very certain kind of artfulness. And that’s a part of who she is, and I accept her as she is.
I’ll take her either way, and do, and have. (quit snickering in the back seats, you!)
Eyes deceive anyway, so I’m not so concerned with what they tell me.
I place far more importance on how she sounds and tastes.
Cheers,
Ian
Ok, I threw this in my blog earlier, but it's so appropriate for this thread...
Screw everyone else, I wear makeup for me. Sometimes it's very minimal, other times I'm rocking bright red lipstick. It's not an attempt to gain attention, it's a confidence thing for me. I like looking my best when I feel good. But I'm just as comfortable with myself without it. I've learned to love my imperfections. And that's what it's really all about, choosing not to compete with others, accepting yourself as is, and doing things to make yourself feel good, whether that's dressing a certain way, having a certain hairstyle, or wearing makeup.
Screw everyone else, I wear makeup for me. Sometimes it's very minimal, other times I'm rocking bright red lipstick. It's not an attempt to gain attention, it's a confidence thing for me. I like looking my best when I feel good. But I'm just as comfortable with myself without it. I've learned to love my imperfections. And that's what it's really all about, choosing not to compete with others, accepting yourself as is, and doing things to make yourself feel good, whether that's dressing a certain way, having a certain hairstyle, or wearing makeup.