Transgender - Why is it even a thing?

[Misadventure]

Anyone who doesn't want to engage in a sensible talk, I will ignore him.

Perhaps if you spoke some sense in the first place people would actually be willing to have an open discussion regarding your topic of choice. But all you do is spout judgement and hate. Satan this and god that. If you really wanted to have a proper discussion, you would have been open and willing to listen. You are only engaging in discussion with the one person who semi-agreed with you. So that alone tells me you do not want to have a 'discussion' at all. You want your opinion validated. That's all. So take it to a PM then if you are unwilling to let others in on the the discussion. The only thing you want to hear is something that mirrors or completely is identical to your own opinion.


EDIT: And by the way, I wear those thumbs down you give me like a badge of honor.

 

[Matt3737]

Anyone who doesn't want to engage in a sensible talk, I will ignore him.

@Matt

So back to the topic Matt, scientists have linked intersex with chemical pollution, so I am not really sure if they exist naturally or not, but if they do then I think (based on the individuals I saw in videos) that they lean more towards one gender than the other, and we can check the chromosomes, if they have a Y chromosome then they are males, if not then they are females, just in varying degrees that we have to accept.

Yes I believe there are male or female souls only, why should we label them as intersex. We as a modern society are obsessed with perfection, maybe that's one of the reason to alienate them (and physically and spiritually mutilate them at young age) because of some variations in their biology.

I didn't get your point about my bias in using soul and choice, but anyway what I meant is that God creates the souls with a gender, and then they are given free choice on earth, either to accept God's assignment for them and be thankful or reject it and follow Satan and live a Hellish life on earth and beyond.

What you call biologically intersex individuals, I call variations of biologically male and female individuals, I hope it's clearer now.

There are chromosomal variations that are not specifically XY-male or XX-female.

In addition to the most common XX and XY chromosomal sexes, there are several other possible combinations, for example Turner syndrome (XO), Triple X syndrome (XXX), Klinefelter syndrome, (XXY) and variants (XXYY, XXXY, XXXXY), XYY syndrome, de la Chapelle syndrome (XX male), Swyer syndrome (XY female).

Your choice in classification and categorization schema as variations upon a standard or norm does not make it objectively true or factual.

 

[amad]

[MENTION=4822]Matt3737[/MENTION]

They list them in wikipedia under "male" or "female", so I don't think it has to be strictly XY or XX. There are many naturally (not by choice) occurring variations it seems.

 

[j654dgj7]

Okay.
We all know what we believe, and what our stances are.
Can we move on and close this topic? Please?

 

[CogentPursuit]

Okay.
We all know what we believe, and what our stances are.
Can we move on and close this topic? Please?

I don't understand why you want it closed. You don't have to respond or read anything here.

 

[j654dgj7]

I don't understand why you want it closed. You don't have to respond or read anything here.

At this point people are just picking a fight.
This thread is officially poisonous, and it will continue to go around in circles like it has done already.

Some people don't believe, some people believe. We get it.

 

[CogentPursuit]

[MENTION=4822]Matt3737[/MENTION]

They list them in wikipedia under "male" or "female", so I don't think it has to be strictly XY or XX. There are many naturally (not by choice) occurring variations it seems.

People can be born with both male and female parts. Would you define their soul as being genderless or both genders? I am not sure what religion you are but I do not see God and souls in heaven needing genders considering that procreation is no longer necessary in heaven or necessary for God who creates with his word and not genitalia.

 

[amad]

People can be born with both male and female parts. Would you define their soul as being genderless or both genders? I am not sure what religion you are but I do not see God and souls in heaven needing genders considering that procreation is no longer necessary in heaven or necessary for God who creates with his word and not genitalia.

I think they have some dominant gender naturally, even if his or her chromosomes or aparent genitalia are different from the norm, what matters is not to fake a gender and pretend to be something he is not. Souls in Heaven, I don't know if they have gender or not.

 

[BrokenDaniel]

I think they have some dominant gender naturally, even if his or her chromosomes or aparent genitalia are different from the norm, what matters is not to fake a gender and pretend to be something he is not. Souls in Heaven, I don't know if they have gender or not.

Then who's the one to judge that aside from the one who's experiencing it?

 

[amad]

Then who's the one to judge that aside from the one who's experiencing it?

I would say chromosomes, but it doesn't matter how people judge him, it is between him and his Creator.

 

[BrokenDaniel]

I would say chromosomes, but it doesn't matter how people judge him, it is between him and his Creator.

Then you would agree that it's a choice made individually, and that people voicing their opinions or truths don't matter as much as what the person thinks it's right for him/herself by alluding to one's intimate relationship with god. Unless you think one's access to god depends on something else, like the scriptures, the church and adhering to an specific set of morals.

 

[amad]

Then you would agree that it's a choice made individually, and that people voicing their opinions or truths don't matter as much as what the person thinks it's right for him/herself by alluding to one's intimate relationship with god.

I for one believe that the gender that God has created us with should not be changed, on the contrary should be celebrated, however everyone is entitled to his own opinions and choices.


I didn't notice your edit:

"Unless you think one's access to god depends on something else, like the scriptures, the church and adhering to an specific set of morals. "

I think access to God should be direct without middle men, but the scripture is the word of God, and is like a compass, with it we know how to navigate through life, so it's not like a professional religionist telling you what to do.

 

[BrokenDaniel]

I for one believe that the gender that God has created us with should not be changed, on the contrary should be celebrated, however everyone is entitled to his own opinions and choices.

I see your point. Although i was mainly reffering to hermaphrodite cases, given that gender reassignment for them gets done way before they are even conscious about it in most cases and still there are many cases were the patients get huge psychological sequels because of that.

 

[amad]

I see your point. Although i was mainly reffering to hermaphrodite cases, given that gender reassignment for them gets done way before they are even conscious about it in most cases and still there are many cases were the patients get huge psychological sequels because of that.

Yes that's what i spoke about earlier, it is infant mutilation and is still going on to this day, very sad. But I have always believed that what has been done to us is over, and our test starts now, everyday is the first day of our life to come so if I were a homosexual I don't have to stay one today, and if my family made a wrong decision and agreed with those crazy doctors to mutilate my body, it doesn't matter, I can still throw all that behind my back and deal with my current situation as if the test is just out of the oven.

But about hermaphrodites I think deep inside they know who they are, regardless of childhood surgery and brainwashing, so they should be brave enough to confront the truth and adjust their lives accordingly. Transgender is a whole different story and is always wrong, I heard though that many of them wake up and revert the transition, so kudos to them.

 

[BrokenDaniel]

Yes that's what i spoke about earlier, it is infant mutilation and is still going on to this day, very sad. But I have always believed that what has been done to us is over, and our test starts now, everyday is the first day of our life to come so if I were a homosexual I don't have to stay one today, and if my family made a wrong decision and agreed with those crazy doctors to mutilate my body, it doesn't matter, I can still throw all that behind my back and deal with my current situation as if the test is just out of the oven.

I think many parents reassign their childs because they think they are protecting them, i wouldn't condemn them that harshly,t. It's an already difficult situation that many times it's actually a much more intrincate issue than just genitalia.

But about hermaphrodites I think deep inside they know who they are, regardless of childhood surgery and brainwashing, so they should be brave enough to confront the truth and adjust their lives accordingly. Transgender is a whole different story and is always wrong, I heard though that many of them wake up and revert the transition, so kudos to them.

There are psychological factors too when it comes to transgender, as it seems to be with hermaphrodites too, i mean, the procedures are expensive, and the treatment doesn't seem comfortable, so i would expect many of them to have a lot weighty reasons to do that, for starters. Whether which one is more right or less wrong, i'm not one to go around ethically nitpicking situations, and i honestly don't have it clear on why some feel the need to do so.




[MENTION=5601]ezra[/MENTION] It's not a big deal, there are some people engaging in healthy debate (not as much personal attacks as usual either, and at least some level headed responses), and i don't think this is going off the rails at all, compared to other threads.

 

[sprinkles]

I don't believe he is trolling. I do think he is being rather serious. This may be difficult to read and deal with but this is the type of thinking that exists in the real world. I would say that interacting with it in reasonable manner and letting it 'show it's true colors' is more productive than hiding it and shoving it under the rug.

Nothing more can be said though. This discussion is pointless and without value. Everything that can be shown has been shown.

The fact that he continues to reiterate is self important fappery.

 

[sprinkles]

[MENTION=14048]amad[/MENTION]

Found the thumbs down button did you? I can play that game too.

 

[amad]

I think many parents reassign their childs because they think they are protecting them, i wouldn't condemn them that harshly,t. It's an already difficult situation that many times it's actually a much more intrincate issue than just genitalia.



There are psychological factors too when it comes to transgender, as it seems to be with hermaphrodites too, i mean, the procedures are expensive, and the treatment doesn't seem comfortable, so i would expect many of them to have a lot weighty reasons to do that, for starters. Whether which one is more right or less wrong, i'm not one to go around ethically nitpicking situations, and i honestly don't have it clear on why some feel the need to do so.




[MENTION=5601]ezra[/MENTION] It's not a big deal, there are some people engaging in healthy debate (not as much personal attacks as usual either, and at least some level headed responses), and i don't think this is going off the rails at all, compared to other threads.

[MENTION=10759]BrokenDaniel[/MENTION]

Yes I agree, but parents have a responsibility to protect their children in the right way, not leave them in the hands of doctors, but well that's a much bigger topic, people worship doctors nowadays.

Transgenders,

I don't think they give it much thought, it's a burning desire, a continuous demonic whisper in their heads and it doesn't stop with surgery, take for example Monique Allen, look what abuse she is inflicting on himself with all those plastic surgeries, and there are many more like him, intersex people are real victims but transgenders they had a choice, and actually ... they still have.

 

[sprinkles]

[MENTION=14048]amad[/MENTION]

There, all caught up. All the thumbs downs that I could have given you but purposely did not because I think it is pointless. Since you don't seem to think that, you can have them all.

 

[sprinkles]

[MENTION=14048]amad[/MENTION]
And really, why is it so important for us to talk about and know what you believe?

Everyone believes something. There are people who believe that you can survive on sunlight alone. What makes you different from them?

You think you can back it up with statistics? Well your statistics are specious and cherry picked for your purposes and they do not justify the gross generalizations that you tend to make repeatedly. Every demographic has a set of abuse and suicide problems. Plenty of heterosexuals are suicidal, abuse alcohol and drugs, rape molest and neglect their children and blah blah blah. Plenty of heterosexuals go through a crisis that their sex life isn't good enough and they keep going after more hardcore sexual experiences like bondage and animals and orgies.

Look at how much heterosexual hardcore porn there is and realize that homosexuals and transgenders do not have the monopoly on perversion and vice. I could make heterosexuals look like the worst thing on the planet if I looked up enough stuff. I don't bother because it is moot and specious.

Anyway it really does seem like you're self interested when you constantly repeat "I believe" over and over. Why do you think we are interested? Why does it have to be all about what you believe over and over?