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The Terrifying Trump

A political candidate who encourages its citizens to be fearful, insulting, and hateful towards each other, is someone to be questioned and wondered about, because if you're going to be president, dividing the nation and pitting different races or ethnic groups against each other is not the way to make it "great again."
 
Benghazi truths are classified, if not already changed. Turkey's truths are public knowledge.

Oh I see...so then how do all the Republicans know what really happened?
And if they are classified then wouldn’t they be protected from being changed somewhat?
Also if they are classified then what is your source that they have been altered?

It seems they have held quite a few hearing on Benghazi, several of which were blatantly told by idiot Reps. that the purpose was to discredit Hillary, along with the e-mail bullshit.

"After much bluster and obfuscation, Rep Trey Gowdy admits he altered the documents that he used to make false claims against Hillary Clinton in a response to a letter from Rep Elijah Cummings. The key parts:

[M]y understanding is the CIA advised the Committee in a very brief email late Saturday night that it had reviewed the material in question and asked for no material to be redacted [. . . ]
Our Committee has access to career civil servants, former federal prosecutors, former intelligence experts as well as military experts who are uniquely well suited to gauge intelligence information and how it should be handled. Although the Executive Branch is ultimately responsible for classification, we remain concerned with the naming of sources and methods and will continue to protect that information now and going forward where it is readily apparent to us. As such, we will continue to redact certain information to protect sensitive information regardless of how others treat that information [...] [My emphasis.]


Gowdy admits that he decided to make this improper redaction. That he attempts to obfuscate the point by stating the "Executive" branch, AFTER Gowdy appointed himself as arbiter of classification, asked for the redaction on PRIVACY grounds, something Cummings himself stated in his letter, does not obviate the fact that Gowdy purposefully altered a document in order to falsely accuse Clinton of wrongdoing.
It is a scandal. Will anyone in the Media care?”

Google - E-mails lost under Bush.
Or how about the flat out lies that were told to the world about weapons of mass destruction?
They had the intel saying otherwise - but war and oil are both quite profitable...not to mention how great it would be to set a missile base in Iraq if it ever stabilizes thanks to our bold intervention.

Truth...what truth...we get half truths from our media at best and flat out lies a good percentage of the time.
It’s all fear fear fear fear fear fear fear...have you seen the new commercial now for some drug that supposed to make you live longer according to studies...it has an older man sadly singing “The sun will come out tomorrow...” while looking distraught and lonely looking out the window.
“But there may not be a tomorrow for some...” the commercial goes on.
Then it goes on to show how happy he is to see his grandchild born and do all this cool stuff to which he then sings the same song as a lullaby to his newborn grand baby - are you kidding me?

Why don’t they just come out and say - Take our drug or you are going to die sad and will never see your grandchildren born....it’s disgusting fear-mongering so they can sell drugs.
Or how about the Carl’s Jr. (Hardee’s for you east coasters) for the new “three-way bacon burger” with barely bikini clad women dripping sauce on their cleavage as they share a “three-way” bite?
They have already been on my boycott list anyhow for tax evasion.

You can believe what you want and I can believe what I want...but facts are facts, show me links to facts, show me where my statistics are wrong and I will gladly change my point of view.
 
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The blatant fear-mongering commercial I was referring to.
Absolutely disgusting way to advertise something.

 
Dear rest of the world, I feel so embarrassed right now

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Late at night I often listen to BBC on my local NPR station.
One thing I often find interesting is the interviews with controversial figures from all over the world.

The interviewers ask really hard questions, much harder than I ever hear from US journalists.
They put the interviewees, mostly high level government officials, on the spot.

The interviewees, for their part, mostly put up intelligent defenses, even if they’re full of shit.

Tonight it was different.
Tonight the BBC interviewed Peter Navarro, an associate professor at some university in my country who’s apparently an adviser to the Trump campaign.

The BBC didn’t really even have to put Navarro on the spot.
He was full of shit from the start, and not at all intelligent.

As soon as Navarro opened his mouth, he sounded so ignorant that it almost seemed like the interviewers were aghast and thrown off their game.

Navarro’s answers had no substance, zilch. What Navarro said was ignorant and really, really, really would reinforce anyone who holds the stereotype of Americans as dangerous buffoons.

The interviewers seemed really disgusted and finally cut him off.
I’m pretty sure the rest of the world is laughing their ass off at how pathetic a representative he was of a presidential candidate in my country.

It was totally awful.
I’m ashamed.

Dear rest of the world, all of us aren’t like this, but too many are.
I apologize that we let people like Trump and his ilk rise high enough to get your attention and to cause such a dangerous situation.

It’s because of our decades long complacency and dereliction of our civic duty to vote and be politically engaged.

We have been stupid that way.
It’s another symptom of too much privilege and too little empathy and foresight, too little wisdom and humility.

We truly lack the kind of humility that comes from being fully engaged with humanity.
I’m sorry.

I will do everything I can to make sure that people like Donald Trump and his surrogates and his endorsers never come anywhere close to the presidency of the United States of America, a country that I love deeply.


http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...feel-so-embarrassed-right-now?detail=facebook

Just for the record, as an outsider from Britain ? Intelligent people don't make sweeping generalizations, in a negative way about all Americans, based on one president, politician or pop star. In my view, (with some painful exceptions) America has largely been a force for good in the world. Compared to China and Russia ? No contest. I hope I've made the point. If there is ever any 'bad feeling' it's directed to the US government not Americans generally, and I'd guess liberal or conservatives in the US have their own disagreements with their govt. It's part of the strength of democracy, to complain, and criticize.

If this were China ? We'd probably both be in jail. If we were lucky.

I understand the points you raise, but you live in a country where it is possible to go out there, campaign and act and protest. You have freedoms other countries can only dream of. Here in Britain , things are better than many places, but it is not perfect. There is a terrible degree of rigid class structure and snobbery. I get the feeling America has it's own, but maybe it's not as big a problem.

Even if Donald Trump became President, America is not a one man band. You have a constitution and separation of powers and time limits on a Presidents term in office. You have the right to question, challenge and oppose in a peaceful legal manner. My only worry for America is my (limited) experience is that there is a large number of sincere, good people, whose honesty is a credit to them, but which can manifest in a naivety that makes them easy to manipulate. The discredit belongs to those who would do that to them, not those who are deceived.

I have substantial faith in America, it has at heart a strong sense of idealism and integrity, combined with a deep and powerful optimism. So there. An outsiders view. I'm not blind to America's difficulties, but I'm aware of it's past. They came to the aid of Britain and Europe at a terrible time in the world and sacrificed a great deal to defeat Nazi Germany. I know the history is complex, but I still think it's reflective of those American ideals. It's in the American DNA to be this way, I guess you began by throwing off British tyranny. Well done, keep it up.

Best Wishes,
James
 
Why did you look at it? Where did you find it? Sorry if I don't look...
 
You can believe what you want and I can believe what I want...but facts are facts

We agree facts are facts. Weapons are considered Islamic weapons over there. Fighter jets were flying into Iran from Iraq as we were going in. Convoys were recorded going into Syria. Read between the lines.

False information has been used since there were wars. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/349231/stingers-benghazi-jim-geraghty Read NOT CIA.

I remember how many people here on this forum were all for what was going on. I warned against it and said it was a very bad mistake. Read the old posts. Tell me: who shot down all those airliners? Sometimes CIA knows more about blowback than some voted-in President and his grand illusions.

I assert somebody's emails could have helped get Stevens killed. Did our people that sent him over there have it done for a reason. This is much bigger than most people need to know. We are on a need to know basis with our government. Anyone care to say where the weapons he did buy back were being sent? Might have been a huge reason to stop him, too. This has been turned into a political argument instead of certain people being punished by the law. You scratch my back...
 
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Just for the record, as an outsider from Britain ? Intelligent people don't make sweeping generalizations, in a negative way about all Americans, based on one president, politician or pop star. In my view, (with some painful exceptions) America has largely been a force for good in the world. Compared to China and Russia ? No contest. I hope I've made the point. If there is ever any 'bad feeling' it's directed to the US government not Americans generally, and I'd guess liberal or conservatives in the US have their own disagreements with their govt. It's part of the strength of democracy, to complain, and criticize.

If this were China ? We'd probably both be in jail. If we were lucky.

I understand the points you raise, but you live in a country where it is possible to go out there, campaign and act and protest. You have freedoms other countries can only dream of. Here in Britain , things are better than many places, but it is not perfect. There is a terrible degree of rigid class structure and snobbery. I get the feeling America has it's own, but maybe it's not as big a problem.

Even if Donald Trump became President, America is not a one man band. You have a constitution and separation of powers and time limits on a Presidents term in office. You have the right to question, challenge and oppose in a peaceful legal manner. My only worry for America is my (limited) experience is that there is a large number of sincere, good people, whose honesty is a credit to them, but which can manifest in a naivety that makes them easy to manipulate. The discredit belongs to those who would do that to them, not those who are deceived.

I have substantial faith in America, it has at heart a strong sense of idealism and integrity, combined with a deep and powerful optimism. So there. An outsiders view. I'm not blind to America's difficulties, but I'm aware of it's past. They came to the aid of Britain and Europe at a terrible time in the world and sacrificed a great deal to defeat Nazi Germany. I know the history is complex, but I still think it's reflective of those American ideals. It's in the American DNA to be this way, I guess you began by throwing off British tyranny. Well done, keep it up.

Best Wishes,
James

There is a terrible degree of rigid class structure and snobbery. I get the feeling America has it's own, but maybe it's not as big a problem.

Yes...yes We most certainly do and it's a huge problem in the US. I had posted earlier about the "haves & have nots" in this country. This is where our class structure is most evident. Money talks here. There are few folks other than celebrities (another rant lol) that obtained their wealth through hard work.
Currently, the family's in America that hold the wealth are folks just like Donald Trump. His grandfather and father were prominent business men. The Donald inherited his wealth. It was given to him not earned. After four known major bankruptcy claims it shows his business acumen sucks in comparison to folks that worked hard to their successes. He in particular has let his money make him a poor person.

He is beyond the realm of snob...at least in his own mind.

Thank you for sharing your opinion of Americans as people. We are not our government and have not had say nor sway in many years...We as a people would like to take our country back...the Donald is using this against us to fulfill this sick & twisted agenda he's sporting to win the chair.
 
He terrifies the media so much because the media is owned by all the same people (ie TPTB) and is an aberration that threatens them. The only reason he scares me is because of his anti-immigrant rhetoric and the talk about building a wall. I have voted Democrat all of the times I could, but woke up to 9/11 etc (and that is a big ETC) in the last couple years, and would vote Trump if it weren't for those two things. It actually shames me that I fell for all of the BS besides the Iraq war. Neither candidate will be able to reign in the power elite (the two R's and their friends and the CIA). All of the mass shootings in the US and many other cities in the West in the last few years have all been fake as an anti-Islam and anti-gun agenda. They do honestly fear the free and armed people of the US (and until recently I wasn't pro-gun and honestly believed it was irrelevant and obsolete). Listen to some James Corbett on YouTube about anything from Timothy McVeigh, to BitCoin, to 9/11, to Lee Harvey Oswald (and the corruption in the US was actually started when we handed our Constitutional Right over to print our own money).

Edit: I believe the Corbett video on Erdogan is wrong. Anyone who looks will find out that ISIS has been selling oil in Turkey all along and it has been a safe-zone to sell ISIS oil and get guns for ISIS, and his regime has been killing innocent civilians for many years and also knowingly supporting ISIS for personal profit. ISIS exists because TPTB profit from it. I would vote for Trump in a second if he stopped talking about walls and banning ALL Syrian refugees, and I would consider myself a Democrat minus the corruption and gun bans... TPTB are scared of people who can defend themselves.
 
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I understand the points you raise, but you live in a country where it is possible to go out there, campaign and act and protest. You have freedoms other countries can only dream of. Here in Britain , things are better than many places, but it is not perfect. There is a terrible degree of rigid class structure and snobbery. I get the feeling America has it's own, but maybe it's not as big a problem.

I agree with most of the statements and sentiments made in this post. As far as the class system being less rigid in the US than in Britain, that's may be up for debate. Certainly upward mobility is much more difficult than it has coupled with racism, the US has a long way to go. The US spends more money on prisons than it does on education. Let that fact sink in. Understand that when you inject for profit prisons into a country there are consequences for that. Some ideas are bad no matter where you live...
 
Just for the record, as an outsider from Britain ? Intelligent people don't make sweeping generalizations, in a negative way about all Americans, based on one president, politician or pop star. In my view, (with some painful exceptions) America has largely been a force for good in the world. Compared to China and Russia ? No contest. I hope I've made the point. If there is ever any 'bad feeling' it's directed to the US government not Americans generally, and I'd guess liberal or conservatives in the US have their own disagreements with their govt. It's part of the strength of democracy, to complain, and criticize.

If this were China ? We'd probably both be in jail. If we were lucky.

I understand the points you raise, but you live in a country where it is possible to go out there, campaign and act and protest. You have freedoms other countries can only dream of. Here in Britain , things are better than many places, but it is not perfect. There is a terrible degree of rigid class structure and snobbery. I get the feeling America has it's own, but maybe it's not as big a problem.

Even if Donald Trump became President, America is not a one man band. You have a constitution and separation of powers and time limits on a Presidents term in office. You have the right to question, challenge and oppose in a peaceful legal manner. My only worry for America is my (limited) experience is that there is a large number of sincere, good people, whose honesty is a credit to them, but which can manifest in a naivety that makes them easy to manipulate. The discredit belongs to those who would do that to them, not those who are deceived.

I have substantial faith in America, it has at heart a strong sense of idealism and integrity, combined with a deep and powerful optimism. So there. An outsiders view. I'm not blind to America's difficulties, but I'm aware of it's past. They came to the aid of Britain and Europe at a terrible time in the world and sacrificed a great deal to defeat Nazi Germany. I know the history is complex, but I still think it's reflective of those American ideals. It's in the American DNA to be this way, I guess you began by throwing off British tyranny. Well done, keep it up.

Best Wishes,
James

It’s not a broad generalization, it’s an opinion piece, which is quite clear from the start (though it does make some generalizations, it is their own).

I don’t disagree that we have quite a few freedoms that are enjoyed in the US and the ‘west’, the problems that are arising though are because those rights are being stripped away.
Such as the right to protest...I can give you example after example of how this is being violated across the country.
Our freedom to assemble peacefully is just words at this point.
The election is rigged, the two candidates chosen have rated as the least favorite candidates - ever....so how did they become the two choices?
Money.
It’s poisoned the already dying system.

It is the issue of long-running systemic racism that sentences someone of color more often and longer for the same crimes as their white counterparts.
We have rampant racism against Muslims, and states are constantly trying to take away gay rights - which is practically the whole platform of Trump’s vice-president pick, Mike Pence...he has tirelessly passed laws in his state to take away gay rights under the guise of “religious freedom” which sound awfully close to a Theocracy when we have clear laws that are supposed to separate church and state. (Unless they want to start paying taxes then they can do whatever the fuck they want.) ((Speaking of taxes, the NFL is considered a not for profit organization if you can believe it - they make billions of dollars every year....in fact, we have an estimated $21 Trillion in offshore bank havens that we cannot tax - and so the tax burden falls on the working/middle class))
A young black male is 2.5 times more likely to be shot by police than their white counterpart even though crime amongst the races is fairly equal.
We have no background checks or safety laws concerning person to person gun sales or sales at many gun shows.
If we were so worried about terrorists getting their hands on guns, then we should make it as difficult for them as possible - but that isn’t the mentality, people have been brainwashed by the NRA and their lobbyists via our Congresspeople and the laws they pass or don’t pass.
We give huge subsidies to companies that make record profits every year - most of which pay little to nothing in taxes...we are in fact paying them with tax monies collected from the general population.
Also many of those companies have used tax loopholes (that no one seems too interested to close in Congress), such as basing their home company in a place like Ireland thus avoiding the taxes they should have to pay as they are a US company.
Republicans have fought tooth and nail against any kind of increase in the minimum wage, and wages have stagnated for almost 30 years now...it, along with Social security have NOT kept pace with inflation and our middle class is vanishing into the classification of “poor”.
Places like Walmart pay their employees so little that they are the largest employer of people also on food stamps.
So again, the working class is picking up that slack that Walmart should be paying and is shouldering it on the taxpayers instead...many of whom, are on the food stamp program themselves.

The problem with Trump becoming Prez is in many ways it effects the system - most prevalent would be the appointment of Supreme Court judges (which the GOP is stalling longer than any other appointment - obstructive at all?)
It’s the people he chooses to surround himself with that worry me more than he does - such as his economic advisors with no actual real Economists (who study it for a living), they are all hedge fund mangers and a wide range of bankers, oil tycoons, etc.

It has and can be a force for good - like I said, I am not unpatriotic, as I myself served in the Armed Forces when I was younger.
But we are stuck in two “wars” that drag on and on and on and cost us ridiculous amounts of tax money that the people would like to see used for better purposes - education, healthcare, social-security, our crumbling infrastructure
(Report: Over 65,000 U.S. bridges in need of repair. An Associated Press analysis of 607,380 bridges in the most recent federal National Bridge Inventory showed that 65,605 were classified as "structurally deficient" and 20,808 as "fracture critical."Sep 15, 2013)
We pay the most in the world for our healthcare and medications, yet we rank 37th as far as quality of care and patient outcomes.
Medical bills are the number one reason people file bankruptcy in the US.
Many people, especially the elderly on tight fixed incomes have to go without the meds they need because they are too expensive.
BTW - Social security had laws at one time preventing the govt. from touching that money until Reagan and Bush both “borrowed” from it and never paid it back.

Trump is not going to fix this, not sure Hillary will either...but I cannot in good conscious vote for a madman.
His recent accusations are that Obama and Hillary are the “creator and co-creator” of ISIS.
Actually, it was the treaty signed by Bush and Cheney that determined our pull-out date and we were in fact happy to leave, in spite of what Republican’s may have said after ISIS appeared.
Hillary did play a part, but not as much as the Bush cabinet.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/08/bush-clinton-play-blame-game-in-iraq/

Our media is filled with lies and bias, and those that try to put the truth out there are silenced quickly.
I could honestly go on...but I’ll leave it there.
It’s not as rosy here as it seems...and imho Trump would be a terrible mistake for this nation.
 
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I agree with most of the statements and sentiments made in this post. As far as the class system being less rigid in the US than in Britain, that's may be up for debate. Certainly upward mobility is much more difficult than it has coupled with racism, the US has a long way to go. The US spends more money on prisons than it does on education. Let that fact sink in. Understand that when you inject for profit prisons into a country there are consequences for that. Some ideas are bad no matter where you live...

It’s a conflict of interest.
We already have horror stories of Judges getting kick-backs from such private institutions in return for longer sentences.
Just google it.

Also, many don’t know...but most of those private for-profit prisons have contracts with their respected states that basically say - if you don’t keep X amount of people in our prison, then you have to pay a fine for each empty bed - thus incentivizing imprisonment.

And yes, we spend more money on prisons than education...but we also shouldn’t overlook we also have more people imprisoned in the US than any other country in the world...more than Russia, more than China, more than N. Korea.
Land of the free indeed.
 
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copied, "Amb Stevens let it leak that the State Department - not the CIA - had supplied those 20,000 Stingers." Hillary Clinton took it upon herself to send those without the blessings of CIA. CIA told her it was too dangerous and they might eventually get into the wrong hands and possibly be used against civilian airlines. Hello? Emails most likely got Stevens killed. Some call it an accident...
 
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We agree facts are facts. Weapons are considered Islamic weapons over there. Fighter jets were flying into Iran from Iraq as we were going in. Convoys were recorded going into Syria. Read between the lines.

False information has been used since there were wars. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/349231/stingers-benghazi-jim-geraghty Read NOT CIA.

I remember how many people here on this forum were all for what was going on. I warned against it and said it was a very bad mistake. Read the old posts. Tell me: who shot down all those airliners? Sometimes CIA knows more about blowback than some voted-in President and his grand illusions.

I assert somebody's emails could have helped get Stevens killed. Did our people that sent him over there have it done for a reason. This is much bigger than most people need to know. We are on a need to know basis with our government. Anyone care to say where the weapons he did buy back were being sent? Might have been a huge reason to stop him, too. This has been turned into a political argument instead of certain people being punished by the law. You scratch my back...

Attacks on US diplomatic facilities
This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.
Date Location Details Type of attack Deaths
18 July 1924 Tehran, Sublime State of Persia An angry mob of led by members of the Muslim clergy and including many members of the Iranian Army beat Robert W. Imbrie, United States Consul in Tehran, to death. The mob blamed America for poisoning a well.[1] mob 1
27 January 1958 Ankara, Turkey Bombing in embassy compound[2] none
January 31, 1968 Saigon, Vietnam As part of the Tet Offensive, Viet Cong commandos forced their way onto the US Embassy grounds and surrounded the building until US reinforcements arrived. armed assault 5 US security
20 attackers
26 September 1971 Phnom Penh, Cambodia Attack on embassy softball game[3] 1
1972 Manila, Philippines Attack by communist group, Marine guard wounded[3] none
19 August 1974 Nicosia, Cyprus Riot outside Embassy; Ambassador and assistant shot by sniper 2
4 August 1975 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Japanese Red Army gunmen raid Embassy none
1979 Tehran, Iran Iran hostage crisis
21 November 1979 Islamabad, Pakistan Islamist riots destroy Embassy (see 1979 U.S. Embassy Burning in Islamabad) 2
2 December 1979 Tripoli, Libya Islamist riots destroy Embassy (see 1979 U.S. Embassy Burning in Libya) none
18 April 1983 Beirut, Lebanon Islamic Jihad car bomb destroys Embassy (see April 1983 U.S. Embassy bombing) 63 (of which 17 were Americans)
12 December 1983 Kuwait City, Kuwait al-Dawa truck bomb outside Embassy 6
20 September 1984 Beirut, Lebanon Hezbollah car bomb outside embassy (see 1984 United States embassy annex bombing) 24
November 1984 Bogota, Colombia Car bomb outside Embassy planted by drug cartel 1
February 1986 Lisbon, Portugal Popular Forces of 25 April car bomb outside Embassy none
14 May 1986 Jakarta, Indonesia Japanese Red Army mortar barrage none
9 June 1987 Rome, Italy Japanese Red Army mortar barrage none
17 September 1989 Bogota, Colombia RPG fired on Embassy by unknown assailant none
27 July 1993 Lima, Peru Car bomb outside Embassy planted by Shining Path bombing none
13 September 1995 Moscow, Russia RPG fired on Embassy by unknown assailant bombing none
21 June 1998 Beirut, Lebanon RPGs fired at Embassy by Hezbollah an Iran-supported religious organization bombing none
7 August 1998 Nairobi, Kenya al-Qaeda simultaneously attacked both Embassies with truck bombs (more details) bombing 213, including 10 US personnel and 2 US security
Dar es Salaam, Tanzania 11
22 January 2002 Calcutta, India Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami gunmen attacked American cultural centre, which included public affairs office of nearby US Consulate (more details) armed assault 5 Indian security
14 June 2002 Karachi, Pakistan al-Qaeda truck bomb detonated outside Consulate (more details) bombing 12 Pakistani civilians
12 October 2002 Denpasar, Indonesia Consular Office bombed by Jemaah Islamiyah as part of the Bali bombings bombing none
28 February 2003 Karachi, Pakistan Unknown gunmen attack US Consulate (more details) armed assault 2 Pakistani security
30 June 2004 Tashkent, Uzbekistan Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan bombs US Embassy bombing none
6 December 2004 Jeddah, Saudi Arabia al-Qaeda gunmen raid diplomatic compound[4] armed assault 5 Saudi personnel
4 attackers
2 March 2006 Karachi, Pakistan Car bomb explodes outside Consulate, killing a US diplomat (more details) bombing 1 US personnel
1 Pakistani personnel
1 Pakistani security
1 attacker
12 September 2006 Damascus, Syria Gunmen raid US Embassy armed assault 1 Syrian security
3 attackers
12 January 2007 Athens, Greece RPG Fired at Embassy by Revolutionary Struggle bombing none
18 March 2008 Sana'a, Yemen Mortar rounds missed US Embassy, hitting nearby school bombing 2 Yemeni civilians
9 July 2008 Istanbul, Turkey Armed attack against Consulate (more details) armed assault 3 Turkish security
3 attackers
17 September 2008 Sana'a, Yemen A coordinated attack resulted in a 20-minute battle with security (more details) armed assault 6 Yemeni security
5 Yemeni civilians
1 US civilian
6 attackers
5 April 2010 Peshawar, Pakistan An attack near the U.S. Consulate in Peshawar, Pakistan, kills two consulate security guards and at least six others (more details) armed assault 2 Pakistani personnel
1 Pakistani security
1 Pakistani civilian
4 attackers
28 October 2011 Sarajevo, Bosnia & Herzegovina A gunman, a Wahhabi Islamist, fired on the embassy on 28 October 2011, resulting in one local policeman guarding the embassy being wounded in the arm by the gunman, while the shooter was wounded by a police sniper. armed assault none
11 September 2012 Cairo, Egypt Protestors scaled the walls of the Consulate and replaced the US flag with an Islamist banner before being driven back by Egyptian security (more details) mob none
Benghazi, Libya A group of terrorists storm the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya—killing the U.S. Ambassador, one staff member, and two security contractors (more details) armed assault 4 US personnel
14 September 2012 Sana'a, Yemen Protestors stormed the US Embassy and set fire to several vehicles before being driven back by Yemeni security (more details) mob 5 attackers
Tunis, Tunisia Tunisian police fought back protestors who attacked the US Embassy in Tunis (more details) mob 2 attackers
1 February 2013 Ankara, Turkey A suicide bomber attacked the US Embassy in the Turkish capital, Ankara, on Friday, detonating himself inside a security entrance to the compound (more details) bombing 1 Turkish security
1 attacker
13 September 2013 Herat, Afghanistan A group of 7 Taliban militants attacked the US Consulate in Herat, Afghanistan using truck bombs, assault rifles, and rocket-propelled grenades, killing 2 Afghan security guards and wounding 20 others (more details) armed assault 2 Afghan security
28 September 2015 Tashkent, Uzbekistan Unidentified man threw two molotov cocktails or similar improvised explosives over the wall of the US Embassy Tashkent Hit and Run None
 
Clinton armed Al-Qaeda with shoulder mounted stinger missiles in Benghazi to help her overthrow Qadaffi.
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_on_diplomatic_missions (too big of a list to post)
List of attacks on diplomatic missions (not just US)

Let’s see what politifact has to say?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...benghazi-were-there-13-attacks-embassies-and/


"During the George W. Bush period, there were 13 attacks on various embassies and consulates ... 60 people died."
In an interview on MSNBC. – Monday, May 5, 2014

John Garamendi
Congressman


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But, yes...let’s take Benghazi, which admittedly is different because the US ambassador was killed...but don’t shine shit and call it gold.
Attacks have been going on for years and will continue to happen.

The GOP in Congress clearly has a record of voting against the requested supplies and personal just prior to the attack.
But by all means...continue with your opinions...
 
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Clinton armed Al-Qaeda with shoulder mounted stinger missiles in Benghazi to help her overthrow Qadaffi.

Even if she did, we have been arming the wrong people for years...we armed the Taliban to fight Russia.
We sold F-15s to Iran and Iraq.
Iran-Contra mean anything to you?
Reagan should have gone to prison for that which is far more serious than anything Hillary did.
Bush/Cheney are wanted by several govts. around the world for violating the Geneva convention and torturing POWs.
Your point is watered down Sir.
 
copied, "Amb Stevens let it leak that the State Department - not the CIA - had supplied those 20,000 Stingers." Hillary Clinton took it upon herself to send those without the blessings of CIA. CIA told her it was too dangerous and they might eventually get into the wrong hands and possibly be used against civilian airlines. Hello? Emails most likely got Stevens killed. Some call it an accident...

Kind of like the whole Iraqi military that we discounted during the “war” who have now become ISIS?
Must be all Hillary’s fault.
Great argument.
 
@Skarekrow I didn't for one moment mean to gloss over the very real issues, ordinary Americans face, and I hope my post didn't come across that way. I'm in great sympathy with your views. I'm British so best for me to keep out of internal U.S. political discussion.

However if I can add a note of optimism ? There are millions of people like you who are engaging with those issues, and working hard to turn them around. It's a work in progress, keep going.
 
@Skarekrow I didn't for one moment mean to gloss over the very real issues, ordinary Americans face, and I hope my post didn't come across that way. I'm in great sympathy with your views. I'm British so best for me to keep out of internal U.S. political discussion.

However if I can add a note of optimism ? There are millions of people like you who are engaging with those issues, and working hard to turn them around. It's a work in progress, keep going.

No, I didn’t take it as such.
Don’t think I was angry or offended please.

There are issues though that do get glossed over, that a Trump presidency would imho negatively impact.
Both candidates are pretty lame...most people I know aren’t happy about either one.

Once again, we have to chose between the lesser of two evils...or who wouldn’t mess the country up more than it already is?
I will vote, but with our system of delegates and not a true vote count, I am disheartened that it will mean anything at all.
The voters have been disenfranchised, those of color or ethnicity other than white have been especially targeted.

The laws that once controlled campaign finance have been blown to smithereens by Citizen’s United which has allowed endless amounts of money to pour into our political system, both the President, Congress, and now it seems the Supreme Court.

It’s all very sad.
 
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