The Minimal Facts for the Resurrection of Christ.

[meowzician]

I wasn't asking you to.

See there it is again. I say something kind to you, and you say something abrasive back.

The only thing I really got out of 90% of the therapy sessions I've been in is that most therapists want you to cry and that is about it.

There are therapists I'm deeply, deeply indebted to. But not all therapists are created equal.

A good prayer, but is a prayer for the self, not for God to answer, IMHO.

“Prayer cannot bring water to parched fields, or mend a broken bridge, or rebuild a ruined city; but prayer can water an arid soul, mend a broken heart, and rebuild a weakened will.” Heschel

 

[meowzician]

JFYI, I am quite a bit less "gun ho" IRL. I get very passionate in written form, for some reason.

Ah. I can understand that. I also have a writing persona that's a bit different. In text, I have a very assertive style. Like, I never say "I think that" or "I feel that." I have an opinion on everything LOL. And I can be very pedantic about proper use of words. IRL, I mostly just listen to people, and rarely interject.

 

[QuickTwist]

See there it is again. I say something kind to you, and you say something abrasive back.

I did not view that as kind. I viewed it as arrogant. "I can't speak into your situation, but I have overcome this thing you have a problem with." That's more or less how I took it.

 

[QuickTwist]

Ah. I can understand that. I also have a writing persona that's a bit different. In text, I have a very assertive style. Like, I never say "I think that" or "I feel that." I have an opinion on everything LOL. And I can be very pedantic about proper use of words. IRL, I mostly just listen to people, and rarely interject.

I also have many clarifying statements IRL. But online, I can choose more what I want to focus on. I don't have to address the question or whatever that someone is asking me (because mostly only people I am very close to ask me many questions).

 

[Misty]

Maybe I just should not assume what people are like. IDK what changes I need to make to do that, but it's really hard for me not to assume things about people, especially when I am first getting to know them. In this way, I tend to assume less and less about the person as time goes on. IDK how NOT to do this where I categorize people. It's a huge flaw on my end and I'm just not sure how to correct that.

It can happen, Twist. It is nice that you open up here to try and work on it. I have it sometimes too.

I just wanted to say I think it’s very brave that you shared here and that I have great respect and admiration for the way that you speak up on Jesus behalf the way you do, even when the audience doesn’t agree, or even may feel hostile in some ways. This is what we are called to do and I think this is what lays at the heart of your arguments.

 

[QuickTwist]

It can happen, Twist. It is nice that you open up here to try and work on it. I have it sometimes too.

I just wanted to say I think it’s very brave that you shared here and that I have great respect and admiration for the way that you speak up on Jesus behalf the way you do, even when the audience doesn’t agree, or even may feel hostile in some ways. This is what we are called to do and I think this is what lays at the heart of your arguments.

Thanks, I appreciate that. But I'm no one special.

 

[Misty]

Thanks, I appreciate that. But I'm no one special.

Neither am I - just wanted to express some solidarity.

 

[Wyote]

@QuickTwist
You ignored everything I said about what I was actually looking for.
But I won't harp on it any longer, as you seem uninterested in a personal path.
That said, I did read your chapters and I appreciate your straight forward writing style.
Granted there were only some generalities about your specific way of thinking within it.
And we do both share quite a lot there, as I expected.
I think most things in my head, contemplate a lot and take more of a big picture approach myself as well.
Anyway, carry on.

 

[QuickTwist]

@QuickTwist
You ignored everything I said about what I was actually looking for.
But I won't harp on it any longer, as you seem uninterested in a personal path.
That said, I did read your chapters and I appreciate your straight forward writing style.
Granted there were only some generalities about your specific way of thinking within it.
And we do both share quite a lot there, as I expected.
I think most things in my head, contemplate a lot and take more of a big picture approach myself as well.
Anyway, carry on.

I realize I did not address your comment about stream of consciousness from me or whatever. I get how people can want to know the "in the moment" ideas, or whatever. I have nothing against that. However, the way I think has not changed in two years, so while I could conjure something up about how I am thinking about the topic right now, it wouldn't make sense to give a sloppier version of the same thing.

 

[meowzician]

I did not view that as kind. I viewed it as arrogant. "I can't speak into your situation, but I have overcome this thing you have a problem with." That's more or less how I took it.

I didn't say anything of the kind.. I never used the word "overcome." I still meet with my therapist once a month. No one ever reaches a state if perfection. There are always character flaws to work on, to transform. Am I in a much better place now than I was at 25? You betcha. That doesn't mean "I've arrived." You are doing it again--ascribing things to me that are untrue, because you have "pegged" me prematurely instead of taking the time to get to know me.

And I'm not the only one I've seen you answer their perfectly polite remarks with snide answers like "I don't care." It's unkind and unjustified.

 

[meowzician]

It can happen, Twist. It is nice that you open up here to try and work on it. I have it sometimes too.

I agree. This post showed a different side of him, a side that I really like.
@QuickTwist

 

[meowzician]

Thanks, I appreciate that. But I'm no one special.

Everyone is special. We are all made in the image of God. Imagine a chalkboard full of a mathematical equation. Remove even the smallest variable, and the whole equation is changed. If you suddenly vanished from the earth, it would be a different place. I'm glad you're here.

 

[QuickTwist]

I didn't say anything of the kind.. I never used the word "overcome." I still meet with my therapist once a month. No one ever reaches a state if perfection. There are always character flaws to work on, to transform. Am I in a much better place now than I was at 25? You betcha. That doesn't mean "I've arrived." You are doing it again--ascribing things to me that are untrue, because you have "pegged" me prematurely instead of taking the time to get to know me.

And I'm not the only one I've seen you answer their perfectly polite remarks with snide answers like "I don't care." It's unkind and unjustified.

I'm not interested in going over what you said and drawing out the implications of what you said.

It does seem like there is always a clarifier for you. Nothing is as it seems. There is always another layer to peel back.

And I am sure in me saying that, you will again say I am unkind or whatever for saying it at all.

Clearly, nobody can tell you nothing cuz you've already thought about it or whatever.

 

[QuickTwist]

Everyone is special. We are all made in the image of God. Imagine a chalkboard full of a mathematical equation. Remove even the smallest variable, and the whole equation is changed. If you suddenly vanished from the earth, it would be a different place. I'm glad you're here.

I'd be in a better place...

 

[meowzician]

It does seem like there is always a clarifier for you. Nothing is as it seems. There is always another layer to peel back.

Ah, now you finally understand me! Yes, that is exactly it. I'm extraordinarily complex and nuanced.

You have yourself stated that you have a habit of compartmentalizing people prematurely. That's your J at work, and there is nothing wrong with a J. Remember, I'm J too. Each preference has its gifts and its drawbacks. The eternal temptation of us J's is premature judgment. But when we are consciously aware of our areas of concern, we can and do learn to compensate. Sometimes it takes a long, long time. I was 50 before I finally started being on time to things. I still am working on my patience. But as Dori says, "Keep on swimming. Swimming, swimming, swimming."

And I am sure in me saying that, you will again say I am unkind or whatever for saying it at all.

Oh, yes. You are coming across as quite hostile, and unjustifiably s so. I don't think badly of you at all.

Clearly, nobody can tell you nothing cuz you've already thought about it or whatever.

This is yet another example of your premature judgement. I want you to think for a moment. Since being in this forum, I have shared two MAJOR changes in my views. The first is converting to Judaism. The second and harder one was giving up my fundamentalist ideation. And trust me, those are not the only two. Making those kind of major changes is actual evidence that I actually DO listen.

Now let's see if you can adjust your conclusion to facts which you may have not noticed before.

 

[QuickTwist]

Ah, now you finally understand me! Yes, that is exactly it. I'm extraordinarily complex and nuanced.

You have yourself stated that you have a habit of compartmentalizing people prematurely. That's your J at work, and there is nothing wrong with a J. Remember, I'm J too. Each preference has its gifts and its drawbacks. The eternal temptation of us J's is premature judgment. But when we are consciously aware of our areas of concern, we can and do learn to compensate. Sometimes it takes a long, long time. I was 50 before I finally started being on time to things. I still am working on my patience. But as Dori says, "Keep on swimming. Swimming, swimming, swimming."

Oh, yes. You are coming across as quite hostile, and unjustifiably s so. I don't think badly of you at all.

This is yet another example of your premature judgement. I want you to think for a moment. Since being in this forum, I have shared two MAJOR changes in my views. The first is converting to Judaism. The second and harder one was giving up my fundamentalist ideation. And trust me, those are not the only two. Making those kind of major changes is actual evidence that I actually DO listen.

Now let's see if you can adjust your conclusion to facts which you may have not noticed before.

I think you are a prideful person. I think you think you have grown so much to the point that you think you have exceeded many people you talk to every day. And I think that pride is sin and needs to be dealt with.

 

[Akar]

I'm not interested in going over what you said and drawing out the implications of what you said.

It does seem like there is always a clarifier for you. Nothing is as it seems. There is always another layer to peel back.

And I am sure in me saying that, you will again say I am unkind or whatever for saying it at all.

Clearly, nobody can tell you nothing cuz you've already thought about it or whatever.

1000% Quick.
Actually she doesn't realise that her own history on this thread is actually a proof of her intellectual dishonesty.
@meowzician I can quote all your manipulation posts and debunk thim, step by step.



Quik look at grammar and specific Syntax patterns and correlate them to specific time frames


-Giammarco

 

[Wyote]

Complexity looks like pride or arrogance when the ego feels it is on the defensive
The best approach to a perceived expertise gap is curiosity/interest
Whatever you do not currently know is a "not yet" known
Instead of something that is not within your reach for whatever perceived reason
Everything is figureoutable™

 

[Wyote]

Actually she doesn't realise that her own history on this thread is actually a proof of her intellectual dishonesty.

To be fair, this entire thread is intellectually dishonest

 

[QuickTwist]

Quik look at grammar and specific Syntax patterns and correlate them to specific time frames

I'm not interested in having everyone gang up on someone itt.

We all make mistakes. We are all sinners in need of grace.