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[PAX] The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

Now we are learning that The National Enquirer (one of only two “newspapers" besides a Nazi White Pride publication to endorse Trump from the get go), we now find out may just be an arm of the Trump campaign spreading propaganda.
All those “Hillary has 30 days left to live!” covers were most likely fed by the campaign itself - which is illegal I might add.
It’s called “fraud”...possible defamation and libel charges also.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/01/media/national-enquirer-president-trump/index.html
 
Now we are learning that The National Enquirer (one of only two “newspapers" besides a Nazi White Pride publication to endorse Trump from the get go), we now find out may just be an arm of the Trump campaign spreading propaganda.
All those “Hillary has 30 days left to live!” covers were most likely fed by the campaign itself - which is illegal I might add.
It’s called “fraud”...possible defamation and libel charges also.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/01/media/national-enquirer-president-trump/index.html

lol it's funny because there's so much shit that people keep saying he's done that is "illegal" and yet nothing, no consequences.

It ain't gonna happen. He'll just drag out legal proceedings for as long as he's in office and until he's dead. No consequences.

Being rich really does make you invincible.
 
Strzok was kicked out of Mueller's Russian investigation - not sure to what extent he was involved in this mess!
Reading Fox news and the statements from GOP politicians one gets a clear impression that Peter Strzok was an FBI counter intelligence agent who used his position to steer the Clinton Email investigation away finding any criminal behavior on her part. He also is described as being anti-Trump from the very beginning.

He did use his official phone to exchange texts with his romantic liaison (an FBI lawyer) thousands of times and expressed deep anti Trump sentiments. He did, as you noted, get removed from the Mueller team for sending those texts and he was escorted from an FBI building last week though reportedly he has not been fired. He volunteered to testify under oath to the House Judiciary Committee and then was subpoenaed to do so, the committee subsequently recalled the subpoena.

I am interested to know when he became aware of the Trump Russia Collusion allegations. The public connections between Trump and a slew of super rich russians did not come up on the public's radar until Manafort was hired by the campaign as Trump was cinching the GOP nomination. Strzok is a Russia specialist so I imagine he was hip to a lot of the stuff that is public knowledge now at the time he was texting his GF about Mr T.

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lol it's funny because there's so much shit that people keep saying he's done that is "illegal" and yet nothing, no consequences.

It ain't gonna happen. He'll just drag out legal proceedings for as long as he's in office and until he's dead. No consequences.

Being rich really does make you invincible.

Except it appears that Mr. Cohen may actually turn on Trump (mostly because Trump won’t fund his legal defense).
So we shall see...
If anyone has Trump's skeletons, it’s that guy.
 
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Reading Fox news and the statements from GOP politicians one gets a clear impression that Peter Strzok was an FBI counter intelligence agent who used his position to steer the Clinton Email investigation away finding any criminal behavior on her part. He also is described as being anti-Trump from the very beginning.

He did use his official phone to exchange texts with his romantic liaison (an FBI lawyer) thousands of times and expressed deep anti Trump sentiments. He did, as you noted, get removed from the Mueller team for sending those texts and he was escorted from an FBI building last week though reportedly he has not been fired. He volunteered to testify under oath to the House Judiciary Committee and then was subpoenaed to do so, the committee subsequently recalled the subpoena.

I am interested to know when he became aware of the Trump Russia Collusion allegations. The public connections between Trump and a slew of super rich russians did not come up on the public's radar until Manafort was hired by the campaign as Trump was cinching the GOP nomination. Strzok is a Russia specialist so I imagine he was hip to a lot of the stuff that is public knowledge now at the time he was texting his GF about Mr T.

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For some reason I'm not able to bold the bits I wanted to respond to in your post so excuse the amateur cut and paste job here...

"He did, as you noted, get removed from the Mueller team for sending those texts and he was escorted from an FBI building last week though reportedly he has not been fired."

Thx. Escorted out but not fired - instead demoted and now shuffling paperwork!!

"Peter Strzok was an FBI counter intelligence agent who used his position to steer the Clinton Email investigation away finding any criminal behavior on her part."

I should say that I'm not expecting you to answer these questions....more of an opportunity to think about some of the things you presented....helps me to gather my thoughts too. I wonder to what extent / how did he use his power/position/bias towards Mr T :tearsofjoy: to steer the Clinton Email investigation....? I wonder if the outcome would've been any different if he was able to constructively but his bias to one side and act professionally/objectively - is that even possible?

"I am interested to know when he became aware of the Trump Russia Collusion allegations."

......yes would be good to get a timeline but also who were the instrumental individual(s) who made these initial allegations....?

"The public connections between Trump and a slew of super rich russians did not come up on the public's radar until Manafort was hired by the campaign as Trump was cinching the GOP nomination."

Was Manafort not arrested for other crimes (heard somewhere that is was for something that he did years prior to joining the Trump campaign) and not directly related to the Russian Collusion allegations?

Thanks for the Washington Post article.

"Among the thousands of texts sent to Ms Page, Mr Strzok called Trump an idiot and when she text her worries(?) about Trump winning the presidency, Mr Strzok texted back, No. No he won't. We'll stop it," according to the report.

Who on earth is the WE?
 
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Testing, testing!!!

@Stu may have to respond tomorrow as I typed a response and not sure where it's gone!!! Double crap!!
 
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5 dead, multiple injuries at Maryland newspaper shotgun rampage shooting and all Trump tweets is the same old “thoughts and prayers” BS.
STFU you orange abortion.
 
I was slightly miffed yesterday having typed a message and my fingers decided to play some funny games by pressing keys on my keypad which made things disappear. Very annoying...let's try again!

Firstly, thanks @Stu for your IMO

Stating the obvious...certainly whenever these names get released, we'll have a better understanding, some clarity but I think with the way things are going...it'll most probably prove to reveal even more indiscretions. It certainly questions the credibility of the Mueller investigation - again what a mess!

Is it a known fact that Giuliani actually leaked the information? Apparently around 50 FBI agents received bribes from reporters in exchange for leaks. I find it astonishingly mind blowing - such lack of professionalism. *scratches head*
 
AHA!!! It seemed that I cleverly managed to embed my text in with your post (I have skills that I'm not even aware of) - managed to retrieve it! :tearsofjoy:

Crap! Just typed message and it got deleted/jumbled up! Let me start again!

Thanks @Stu Do we know for certain that it was the remaining unnamed FBI agents who actually leaked information to Trump via Rudy Giuliani?
My understanding for not identifying these FBI agents is due to non disclosure privacy issues as they are still working on other investigations and identifying them by name could be harmful. Again, I'm not expecting you to respond directly to my questions as currently everything is speculation until the facts come out. Leaking appears to be a major issue within the FBI culture. I heard that around 50 FBI agents received "bribes/gifts" from reporters :openmouth: - what on earth!!! Collusion certainly isn't restricted to the Mueller Russia investigation. *shakes head in disbelief*
 
@Isabella I am really not sure that it is fair to paint Mueller with the brush that taints the NY FBI office. As far as the " 50 FBI agents received "bribes/gifts" from reporters"...it is important to remember that the FBI takes leaking and bribery (and lack of candor) of its agents way more seriously than the general public assumes. I am not calling for the public shaming of the NY FBI agents that (seem to have) leaked to Giuliani, for which there is ample evidence in the public record, rather I am pointing out that any agency personnel that held the disposition that Trump and his campaign was perhaps a criminal enterprise has been exposed by the White House and GOP members of congress while those that seem to have leaked in order to damage the Clinton Campaign are kept inside the FBI's normal confidentiality pending the completion of any investigation of them by the FBI.
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@Stu thanks. Currently my state of mindset is that everything is unfair and so very messy. With all that's currently going on, it's difficult to fathom anything until all the facts come out. I'm getting annoyed with all of the "suspected" leaks by X, Y, Z - we just need to get to the facts. Speculation is fun but now and again, I like to chew on something more concrete. I want the truth and yes I can handle the truth. How on earth do we move forward....
 
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Dan Rather
Yesterday at 7:37 AM ·

There has been no shortage of historic summits in American history - but nothing like what is happening today.

No American president has ever appeared as a supplicant to a foreign power who attacked us - an attack that the intelligence community says is ongoing.

No American president has been so eager to placate a hostile foreign power.
And no American president has been under a credible shadow of allegedly conspiring with a hostile foreign power.

No American president has so attacked our allies and heaped scorn on his fellow citizens while heaping praise on a hostile foreign power.

No American president has been so ill-prepared for diplomacy and statecraft and then insisted on handling negotiations with a hostile foreign power alone.

We do not know what was discussed.
We will not be able to trust what President Trump or Putin say was discussed.

Their words fail even the most minimum standards of political truth telling.

This is a historic summit indeed, but historic in terms of the damage it can do (and likely already has done) to our nation and a democratic world order.
 
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From the excellent FiveThirtyEight.com


July 31, 2018, AT 8:26 AM

Why We’re Sharing 3 Million Russian Troll Tweets
By Oliver Roeder

Filed under Russia Investigation

Get the data on GitHub

When historians try to appraise Russia’s interference in the 2016 election, which historical artifacts will they use? Then-candidate Donald Trump’s speech imploring Russia to find Hillary Clinton’s emails, perhaps. The soccer ball Vladimir Putin gave President Trump at their summit in Helsinki probably merits inclusion. And then there are the tweets — millions of them.

Earlier this year, as part of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation, the Justice Department charged 13 Russian nationals with interfering in American electoral and political processes. The defendants worked for a well-funded “troll factory” called the Internet Research Agency, which had 400 employees, according to one Russian news report. From a bland office building in St. Petersburg, the agency ran a sophisticated and coordinated campaign to sow disinformation and discord into American politics via social media. This often involved Trump’s favorite medium: Twitter.

Millions of the trolls’ tweets have since been removed from the service, and while other outlets, most prominently NBC News, have published samplings of them, it has been difficult to get a complete sense of the trolls’ strategy and the scale of their efforts. Until now.

FiveThirtyEight has obtained nearly 3 million tweets from accounts associated with the Internet Research Agency. To our knowledge, it’s the fullest empirical record to date of Russian trolls’ actions on social media, showing a relentless and systematic onslaught. In concert with the researchers who first pulled the tweets, FiveThirtyEight is uploading them to GitHub so that others can explore the data for themselves.

“It’s not about electing our next president. It’s about giving up everything we stand for or fighting back! #WakeUpAmerica #PodestaEmails6” — @THEFOUNDINGSON, Oct. 13, 2016 (24,382 followers)
The data set is the work of two professors at Clemson University: Darren Linvill and Patrick Warren. Using advanced social media tracking software, they pulled the tweets from thousands of accounts that Twitter has acknowledged as being associated with the IRA. The professors shared their data with FiveThirtyEight in the hope that other researchers, and the broader public, will explore it and share what they find. “So far it’s only had two brains looking at it,” Linvill said of their trove of tweets. “More brains might find God-knows-what.”

The data set published here includes 2,973,371 tweets from 2,848 Twitter handles. It includes every tweet’s author, text and date; the author’s follower count and the number of accounts the author followed; and an indication of whether the tweet was a retweet. The entire corpus of tweets published here dates from February 2012 to May 2018, with the vast majority from 2015 to 2017.

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Even a simple timeline of these tweets can begin to tell a story of how the trolls operated. For instance, there was a flurry of trolling activity on Oct. 6, 2016. As the Washington Post first pointed out using the Clemson researchers’ findings, that may have been related to what happened on Oct. 7, 2016, when WikiLeaks released embarrassing emails from the Clinton campaign. There was another big spike in the summer of 2017, when the Internet Research Agency appeared to have shifted its focus to a specific type of troll — one the researchers call the “Right Troll” — that mimicked stereotypical Trump supporters.

According to a thorough account on Wired of the identification of the Russian trolls, as of June 2018, Twitter had identified 3,841 handles connected to the IRA. That list, along with the November 2017 list that preceded it, forms the basis for the Clemson study, and the database published here includes every tweet from those handles from June 19, 2015, to Dec. 31, 2017. (It also includes some tweets outside this date range but not exhaustively across handles. A number of the listed handles did not tweet during the sample period.)

When Twitter suspended these malicious accounts, it also deleted their tweets from public view.

“#Clinton Campaign said they pitched a story to #TheDailyBeast to attack #BernieSanders. Why are we not surprised?” — @BLACKMATTERSUS, Oct. 13, 2016 (14,433 followers)
Reassembling this corpus of tweets is an exercise in a certain kind of national security. “Wiping the content doesn’t wipe out the damage caused, and it prevents us from learning about how to be better prepared for such attacks in the future,” said Alina Polyakova, a foreign policy fellow at the Brookings Institution.

But data archives can help rebuild this important piece of recent American history.

The Clemson researchers were able to gather this data thanks to Clemson’s Social Media Listening Center, an interdisciplinary lab that captures “more than 650 million sources of social media conversations,” including Twitter, according to the center’s website. It is run on powerful Social Studio analytics software — produced by the firm Salesforce and typically used by public relations and marketing companies to check up on their brands. The program drinks from Twitter’s so-called firehose of data, archiving the tweets soon after they’re posted.

That resulting data set is at the heart of a working paper by Linvill and Warren, currently under review at an academic journal, titled “Troll Factories: The Internet Research Agency and State-Sponsored Agenda Building.”

In the paper, Linvill and Warren divide the IRA’s trolling into five distinct categories, or roles: Right Troll, Left Troll, News Feed, Hashtag Gamer and Fearmonger. (These category codes are included in the data.)

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Right Troll and Left Troll are the meat of the agency’s trolling campaign. Right Trolls behave like “bread-and-butter MAGA Americans, only all they do is talk about politics all day long,” Linvill said. Left Trolls often adopt the personae of Black Lives Matter activists, typically expressing support for Bernie Sanders and derision for Hillary Clinton, along with “clearly trying to divide the Democratic Party and lower voter turnout.” News Feeds are a bit of a mystery: They present themselves as local news aggregators, with names such as @OnlineMemphis and @TodayPittsburgh, and the news they link to is typically legitimate. Hashtag Gamers specialize in playing hashtag games (e.g., #LessInterestingBooks might give rise to the tweet “Waldo’s Right Here”); many of their tweets are harmless wordplay in the spirit of the games, but some are socially divisive, in the style of Right Trolls or Left Trolls. And Fearmongers, relatively rare in the data set, spread news about a fake crisis, such as salmonella-contaminated turkeys around Thanksgiving, or the toxic chemical fumes described at the beginning of the New York Times Magazine article about the Internet Research Agency.

“In this data we can see, from hour to hour, how they’re using their human capital to move from one type of account to another type of account,” Linvill said. “We can really look at the structure of what the agency was doing.”

A trolling taxonomy
Tweets sent by Russian trolls associated with the Internet Research Agency, as categorized by Clemson researchers

CATEGORY NUMBER OF TWEETS
Non-English 837,725

Right Troll 719,087

News Feed 599,294

Left Troll 427,811

Hashtag Gamer 241,827

Commercial 122,582

Unknown 13,905

Fearmonger 11,140

SOURCE: DARREN LINVILL AND PATRICK WARREN

“Russia’s attempts to distract, divide, and demoralize has been called a form of political war,” the authors conclude in their paper. “This analysis has given insight into the methods the IRA used to engage in this war.”

This war may or may not have had an effect on the 2016 election, but it certainly wreaked havoc. The man who would be named national security adviser followed and pushed the message of Russian troll accounts, according to the Daily Beast, and Trump’s eldest son, campaign manager and digital director each retweeted a Russian troll in the month before the election. Twitter itself informed 1.4 million people that they’d interacted with Russian trolls.

But the researchers emphasized that the Russian disinformation and discord campaign on Twitter extends well beyond even that.

“There were more tweets in the year after the election than there were in the year before the election,” Warren said. “I want to shout this from the rooftops. This is not just an election thing. It’s a continuing intervention in the political conversation in America.”

“They are trying to divide our country,” Linvill added.

If you use the data and find anything interesting, please let us know. Send your projects to oliver.roeder@fivethirtyeight.com or @ollie.

The Clemson researchers wish to acknowledge the assistance of the Clemson University Social Media Listening Center and Brandon Boatwright of the University of Tennessee, Knoxville.

Oliver Roeder is a senior writer for FiveThirtyEight. @ollie
 
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well that straightens that out.