+1 to TDHT and Stormy
'Cause, y'know, having the symptoms for a migraine really mean you have brain cancer.
'Cause, y'know, having the symptoms for a migraine really mean you have brain cancer.
In all things, moderation, including extreme-sounding advice.
Hmm... If I've offended any INTJs, I kindly ask that you remove the perceived slight. There isn't one. It is merely an observation. Do I believe that INTJ's are sociopaths? Some are, but for the most part, I do not believe that. How is it that you believe that I believe that INTJ's are sociopaths? I'm curious why some appear defensive, perceiving slights where none was given. Was it truly what I wrote? Or in how, what I wrote, was perceived?
These are common suggestions found on any given anxiety, depression or other self-improvement sites. A thought just occurred to me however, the recommendations themselves, also sound like the characteristics of a sociopath!
Correlation #2 - I would use these same characteristics in describing an INTJ. :S
These are common suggestions found on any given anxiety, depression or other self-improvement sites. A thought just occurred to me however, the recommendations themselves, also sound like the characteristics of a sociopath!
These are common suggestions found on any given anxiety, depression or other self-improvement sites. A thought just occurred to me however, the recommendations themselves, [are] the characteristics of a sociopath!
. A thought just occurred to me however, the recommendations themselves, also sound like the characteristics of a sociopath!
Summarized:
1. Stop taking so much notice of how you feel.
2. Let go of worrying. It often makes things worse.
3. Ease up on the internal life commentary.
4. Take no notice of your inner critic.
5. Give up on feeling guilty.
6. Stop being concerned what the rest of the world says about you.
7. Stop keeping score.
8. Don't be concerned that your life and career aren't working out the way you planned.
9. Don't let others use you to avoid being responsible for their own decisions.
10. Don't worry about your personality. You don't really have one.
This is merely an observation. I do not now posit that you should avoid these stress-reducing ideas!
Correlation #2 - I would use these same characteristics in describing an INTJ. :S
Well to argue semantics as I'm wont to do...
This is my perceived emphasis. Your explanation leads me to believe that my statement was perceived as:
If this is correct, how does one define "sounds like" to mean "are"?
In the second quote mentioned, pertaining to INTJs, perhaps 'could' is a more apt verb than would.
It sounds like nitpicking, and I am, but I am trying to learn something. Thank you for your assistance.
To me, the following characteristics sound like characteristics of a sociopath.
These same characteristics made me think that they could also describe INTJs.
I'm gonna say that there isn't any perceived slight but actual slight by your words.
I'm not going to worry about the fact you don't understand that your words are belittling toward a type. Perspective, don't worry, INFJs don't have any. Oh, there is no perceived slight to my words so please don't take any. :S
If the implication that being described as a Sociopath, or having sociopathic tendencies, is a negative one, is that not also a sweeping generalization? How does it differ from the facetious generalization I've made?There is no doubt that there are fundamental differences is overal personality types that tend to cause friction but sweeping negative generalizations aren't very productive.
TBH, your last post is the biggest load of BS I have ever heard.
Being a sociopath isn't bad huh. How about we find a nice sociopath for you to spend quality time with? Please. I'm done with this thread.
Another interesting observation that I've had....
Is a sociopath not a person as well? Why is being compared to a sociopath so bad? Sociopaths have done bad things, but not all. INTJs have done bad things, but not all. INFJs for that matter have done really bad things, but not all.
ICD-10
The World Health Organization's International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems, tenth edition (ICD-10), defines a conceptually similar disorder to antisocial personality disorder called (F60.2) Dissocial personality disorder.[SUP][4][/SUP]
It is characterized by at least 3 of the following:
There may be persistent irritability as an associated feature.
- Callous unconcern for the feelings of others.
- Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations.
- Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them.
- Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence.
- Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment.
- Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.
The diagnosis includes what may be referred to as amoral, antisocial, psychopathic, and sociopathic personality (disorder).
The criteria specifically rule out conduct disorders.[SUP][5][/SUP] Dissocial personality disorder criteria differ from those for antisocial and sociopathic personality disorders.[SUP][6][/SUP]
It is a requirement of ICD-10 that a diagnosis of any specific personality disorder also satisfies a set of general personality disorder criteria.
DSM-IV
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth edition (DSM IV-TR), defines antisocial personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B) as:[SUP][1][/SUP]
A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or more of the following:
B) The individual is at least age 18 years.C) There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years.D) The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or a manic episode.
- failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
- deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
- impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead;
- irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
- reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
- consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
- lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;
Now, I think I've been very patient with answering your questions.Most people don't like arguing semantics and answering derailing questions of this kind as these are argument tactics that are also frequently employed by people who are trying to be passive-aggressive or those who cannot admit they're wrong, so, in a search for some kind of loop-hole, they end up melting the discussion down into a useless blob of information.
I agree with the overall sentiment of if you've done something crappy you should very well feel guilty, but I think sometimes people feel guilty for things they really shouldn't. And the people who have done truly awful things seem to feel no guilt whatsoever. CindyLou, I remember, if you will forgive me bringing it up, how you once mentioned you felt guilty, or somehow "less", for your not-so-enjoyable pregnancy. Really, you should stop that, if you ask me!
So yes, there is reasonable guilt, and then there are guilty feelings that perhaps have been brainwashed into us. If that makes sense.
And I do agree with this: "Tell yourself that whatever you feel, you feel; whatever you think, you think. Since you can’t stop yourself thinking, or prevent emotions from arising in your mind, it makes no sense to be proud or ashamed of either. You didn’t cause them. Only your actions are directly under your control. They’re the only proper cause of pleasure or shame." For instance, I often feel like beating the daylights out of certain people, or harming them in some other way, but I don't actually do that. You just let those feelings go, and DO what you know is right/best/most likely to meet your goals and agree with your ethics.
Oh, I totally agree with you, at least the idea, however how does someone stop feeling something? I was finally diagnosed with OCD. My psych told me it was because I was trying NOT to feel guilty. So, I guess I'm supposed to feel guilt, even if I shouldn't be feeling it. Don't ask me, but she was right...even something as simple as biting my nails. I was driving home from work and I was feeling a little guilty for slacking off that day. I had spent too much time online and generally goofing around, being lazy. Those thoughts turned into more thoughts, and then poof...I bit all my nails off. The crazy thing is that I didn't even realize I was thinking all of that stuff, I just sorta think it and then once I bite they're gone. So, not really sure what to do with feelings, other than feel them. I'm not sure you can just stop. You'll end up with no nails, no hair, and checking outlets and locks a million times before you leave the house shouting "unplugged" at yourself...lolololololo!
Ugh, that sounds like something I would do, even though I have not been diagnosed with OCD (nor do I think I really have it...). I'm so sorry -- I just hate to think of you sitting around berating yourself and really wish you could just stop. Maybe some of that "Fucitol" someone on here had as their avatar would help? J/K