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    School district admits to remotely activating webcams on student's school-issued laptops without their knowledge.



    http://news.cnet.com/8301-30977_3-10457077-10347072.html

    There have been a couple cases in a similar vein to this one recently.
    A couple lawsuits have materialized.

    Illegal or not, it's creepy.
     
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    This is illegal to me.

    Schools have no buisness what so ever judging what a student does out of school ours independent from the school itself. It is up to the parents to decide if the child should be punished or not. This is an extreme version of infringement on the life of someone else. I truly do not understand why so many school administrators feel like it is their job to act as a parent to students outside of school hours. It is not their jusisdiction to do so.
     
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    Well I hope the people whom did this don't have cameras... you get an angry teen and their world got a whole lot harder...
     
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    I agreed with pretty much everything Indigo said, what happens out of school is none of the school's concern, once the bell rings to go home students are no longer under the control of the school, rather under their parents. I find this a violation of privacy and indeed it should not be legal.
     
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    According to the kid, the administrators thought he was selling drugs.
    Even if he was, as long as he isn't doing it in school, why in the hell would that even be remotely within the sphere of concern for the school district?
    Has the American educational system taken a foray into the detective business when I wasn't paying attention?
     
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    takes a village to raise a child?
     
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    why is the school giving laptops to kids in the first place and why are they taking pictures. Put a a gps signal on the computer if your worried about it being stolen.
     
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    Yeah, definitely creepy, not to mention senseless.
     
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    That addage died decades ago. Old timers seem to not want to let go of it though for the most part.

    I think that the court will find the school extremely out of line (assuming they did indeed spy, which I believe they did), and we will get some nice "do not interfeer" laws out of the deal :smile:
     
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    In the original form maybe, but I'll be long dead before it in some form either succeeds or dies.
     
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    I imagine they don't want students using their equipment to engage in "questionable" activities (but there are obviously better ways of addressing this).
     
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    Even if they were using it for legitimate theft recovery purposes 100% of the time, that doesn't expunge fact that it could be misused.
    I'm willing to bet that if somebody in the district tech department wanted to activate the cameras remotely, he could probably do so without anyone ever even knowing about it having happened.

    Keep in mind that teenagers take their laptops everywhere with them; their bedrooms, their siblings bedrooms, even their bathrooms...
    This system is probably extremely exploitable to any deviant that desires to covertly view -and even record- naked students.
    Pretty sickening.
     
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    Its scary how intrusive technology is becoming. Who sanctioned the school to do this? I mean did a headteacher sign it off or something or was it a rogue computer tech? Because if it was done in an official capacity then the question of the suitablity, of the person responsible, for their job has to be called into question

    There is no excuse for that kind of intrusion

    I watched a documentary recently called 'The Virtual Revolution' (on BBC iplayer) which looked at the benefits of the internet such as allowing the people to have a voice, organise, share ideas and stand upto authority but it also looked at the counter revolution which is being carried out by governments against the freedoms of the internet.

    Many countries were implicated, China being an obvious one, which has been described as surrounding its country with a firewall (that sounds a bit like the 'iron curtain'!) and it mentioned that the Chinese government hires an army of people who it pays 50 cents to for each pro government article they write on the web; they are called the '50 centers'.

    Sometimes with some of the comments i read on the web i wonder if there is similar behaviour going on in the west!

    Anyway the series made the point that a large amount of internet traffic by individuals goes through a relatively small number of companies: facebook (the internets main social networking site), google (the main search engine), amazon (the webs bookstore), youtube (video site) etc

    These sites all store information about us. Google can trace back your searches to your IP address then identify you from the details of your searches.

    This is an amazing amount of power for anyone to hold as if this information is put together they can build a very extensive profile of you as a person, which could be used (in say a nightmare 1984 style situation of an authoritarian government) to manipulate individuals or society as a whole.

    Yes this information is stored seperately at the moment, but we have no idea what the future holds....a future government could storm the buildings and obtain the data or legislate for its release

    Should we be concerned?
     
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    Lol!

    The Orwellian concept of a viewing screen in every home is becoming a reality. Everything is merging, TV's, cameras, computers, phones, GPS etc and its happening fast

    There is a thread also in the 'news and politics' section on the forum about some new site where people are linked upto strangers via their webcams (it does sound like masturbation features highly!), which is a further development in the evolution of the web, with all the inevitable consequences.

    When you look at scientific approaches such as eugenics or behaviourism, where people are no longer really seen as people with certain rights, but rather as units of nature, then a slide can begin with people's basic rights being eroded. It does seem to me that the power elites do view the public with a certain disdain, which translates to something pretty ugly in my book.

    Should you be concerned that schools are spying on children in their bedrooms.....yes you should!

    I don't think the FBI are going to spend their time watching people jerking off, but the relationship between government and people changes all the time. If you think this idea is paranoia then just look back to the Stasi who were spying on the populace with impunity in the GDR.

    Financial difficulties will lead to greater social unrest; greater social unrest will require tighter controls from the government.

    Even if you don't think the government of the future will apply leverage to you, they might apply leverage to people who campaign to keep your freedoms
     
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    People take their laptops into their bathrooms?

    Seems to me if you install webcams on students' computers this is what will happen:

    1. You will see 50,000,000 teenagers playing games or viewing porn. Major yawn.

    2. You will catch one person who has stolen his/her friend's laptop.

    3. And I suppose, you might see one person using the toilet.


    And no, I don't think it is right to do this. Can't they just install some kind of tracking device in the laptops in case they get lost or stolen? Seems much simpler. (Like Barnabas said.)
     
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    Sounds illegal and the FBI seems to be investigating.
     
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