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Romney vs. Obama - 2nd debate - what did you think?
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How does setting a flat 20% tax rate accomplish this? (jobs) Are you talking corporate taxes as well?
Because my concerns is just cause I gave you a car doesn't mean you will pay the insurance, or that you have the means to pay it either.
So if I make an across the board tax rate at 20%. There are many that don't pay that. Will you tax those making 15k at 20%. That will hurt the working poor.
Will you levy 20% on distributions and dividend when they are a major source of income? Wall Street and every rich guy won't like you. Romney himself would pay a huge tax increase.
The middle guy. Do I pay an effective rate at 20% and lose mortgage deduction? With a crippled housing market you want to take that incentive away?
So wtf are you taking about
And vote. People died for you to have that privilege. Your a fucking punk ass kid if you disrespect that. When you die for the rest of us, then you earn the right to piss where you want. Until then, just say thank you.
Hell yeah!
In fact, the first time I was old enough to vote, which was in the 1980 Presidential election I voted for John Anderson the Independent.
"The only wasted vote is for a candidate you don't believe in or agree with."
Gary Johnson.
http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/front
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I think the candidate should represent the majority of my views. If I am presented with two candidates that have 100 views and candidate a supports 3 of my views w those opinions and candidate b supports 4... I'm not going to waste my time voting for either.
That is how I feel about where we are at now. Neither candidate is good enough .
It seems pretty simple to me. Republicans want it all right now and Dems try to lay out a good road for the future. A better question perhaps is; How is the overall sense of entitlement in this country? I live in Salt Lake City and from where I'm standing the vibe does not support our future. I'm inclined now more than ever in my life to start a revolution but my fear of being tarred and feathered has me heading for calmer and more open minded ground.
I'm definitely going to have to disagree with you on this, a non-vote isn't a statement, there's no way to tell the difference between someone who was disgusted between two candidates and some guy who didn't vote because he forgot what day it was since he's been beating off in his room watching granny porn for three days straight. Apathy never solves anything, period.
There are people out there campaigning (Rocky Anderson, Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, Merlin Miller) who are just as, if not more pissed about what's been going on with this country than we are, even if they aren't going to win who cares, they're out there busting their ass, spending time out of their lives to spread the truth, share the same ideologies we do (rational, common sense politics), I don't think taking 10-15 minutes out of your day, once every four years to go show support for the people representing our views is too much to ask for. If Jill Stein can pull of 5% of the vote, she can get around 20 million in matching funds for 2016. The "my vote doesn't matter" or "my candidate isn't going to win so I won't vote" argument is total horseshit, do you know how many times the Civil Rights movement failed before it succeeded? Women in the US had to fight for over seventy fucking years to get the right to vote. No matter how shitty things are, even one vote to protest is better than doing nothing.
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Its not horseshit its reality. Choosing to beat off and forgetting to go is equally a statement, that its more worthwhile to do such than to participate in a charade. Would you yell at the people in Iraq who refused to go to the polling station too under Saddam Hussein who always managed to pull in something like a 90% win? Because thats about as realistic as voting for anyone outside of the 2 parties, who have literally no chance to win, it hasn't been done and cannot be done. So yeah, going to the polling station and wasting 2 hours, not 15 minutes is a waste of my time. You are free to disagree of course, but that doesn't mean you are any more right than I am, because we are using subjective opinions. And I completely disagree with 1 vote in protest is better than nothing, that's just opinion. And obviously around 50% of the country disagrees with it since they dont vote.
You don't have to convince me that our election system is a ghost dance charade of kabuki democracy, but still, one day out of four years for you to go out and vote is too much? And the majority of our country doesn't vote because they're either too dumb or too selfish to understand why it is important to. And I'm not going out to vote (it's actually my first time voting) because I'm pissed off with what's going on, i'm going out to vote because i'm pissed that genuine, hard-working people have to pay an income tax (which is unconstitutional) and having their money go towards some private mercenary company to gun down kids in the Middle East. I'm going out to vote because I'm pissed about this country lying to go to war in the Middle East, killing thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of innocents in the process, and for the kids who are living with birth defects because of the depleted uranium we dropped over in Iraq. I'm going out to vote to protest Wall Street, as well as our disgusting for-profit health care system, and to support a candidate who is just as, if not more irate about this than I am, and despite how obvious it is that they won't win, or might not even matter, still decided to say "fuck this" and do something about it. It takes an unbelievable amount of courage to do what they did (their human beings just like me and you), and to actually understand and agree with what their coming from and still decide to say "well they're never going to win anyway fuck Obamney i'm not voting" is ignorant and selfish, no other way to put it. I'm not even trying to sound self-righteous, or noble, no way in hell am i perfect, but voting is my civic duty and I honestly believe it's my responsibility as a human being, no matter how small it may be, to resist apathy and protest these egregious assaults. I'm not even saying that you should go out and vote, but spending what, ten-twenty minutes on one day out of four years to support the people who had the courage to stand up to this shit instead of opting out for the easy choice and choosing not to do something isn't too much to ask for.
I remember my 1st election. I voted for Al Gore over Bush... he won but still lost. Then I got really into politics and met a lot of politicians and learned what it was all about, I dont have that kind of naive idealism anymore. I wouldnt say 50% of the people dont vote because theyre stupid, thats kind of ridiculous, if anything most of the people voting are the ones who are stupid since they are party affiliated and cannot think for themselves.
Is it too much to do it? nope... Im not not voting because of the convenience, I am not voting because there is no point. You can take that civic duty for whatever you want, I dont feel I have any responsibility other than being the milked cash cow for the government to dominate the world at the end of an M-16 and nuclear war head. I do my part.
This is real life we are talking about. One day of participating in a "ghost dance charade" is one day too much. What's the point of that one vote if its as you say" a charade"?
Lmaoo, I laughed out loud at the bold, good one. And there's no naive idealism over here, I'm completely aware of the ongoing tragedy that is American politics, or politics as whole, the transience of life and my insignificance compared to the universe. There's this writer named Chris Hedges, and he's probably one of the best voices in the country regarding our current global situation....he doesn't believe in God but he still writes his books, does his speeches and interviews and says "faith is the belief that it does make a difference, even if all of the empirical signs point otherwise." He's probably one of the biggest influences in my life, his work has changed me as a person, and if he walked past me in a mall or something, he would have no idea who I am and he would go on doing what he does, unfazed, even though he's completely changed the way I view the world and how I choose to live in it. No matter what you believe, it does make a difference. So you can sit out and not vote, that's your choice, call me a holy fool or whatever, but you can bet your ass I'll be out there voting against our dead political system.
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Lol, only reason it's a charade is because the people haven't taken responsibility into their own hands to make it meaningful again. Unions, civil rights, end of child labor and women's right to vote came about because people got together and said "enough is enough" and despite how gloomy it looked for them, they still decided to fight. I'm not saying that everyone should go quit their jobs and "fight the man" that's stupid and unrealistic, but at least support the people who had enough courage to fight back and not take the easy way out.
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OK, well have fun I have no problem with people voting, as I am sure I probably indicated by not saying people shouldn't vote or anything... but I don't live on faith. I think faith is beyond idiotic. I will probably spend election night having sex or getting high, or sculpting or something that actually makes my life better tangibly and I derive pleasure from. In the end, the sun will swell up into a red dwarf and incinerate the earth and nothing you do will ultimately matter anyway right? So we might as well do what we enjoy if all we have is the illusion of time.
Omg I love these memes....
Also, I heard Jill Stein was arrested for trying to get in and debate..
God forbid Americans have more choices in their elected leaders!
The atrocity! How criminal..
If only she had millions and millions of dollars of corporate money to participate in "democracy."
Also, I heard Jill Stein was arrested for trying to get in and debate..
God forbid Americans have more choices in their elected leaders!
The atrocity! How criminal..
If only she had millions and millions of dollars of corporate money to participate in "democracy."
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What is your suggestion as to how people should take responsibility into their own hands? Voting for president doesn't put any responsibility into your hands. How is not voting for president being unsupportive of anyone fighting back? I what way are these imaginary people fighting back had how does voting support them?
Problem is your are assuming your non vote means something. That it counts in some way. It it's not measured. Your state doesn't recognize a non vote, and therefore you are doing nothing. You're not protesting, fighting, speaking your mind. You are basically invisible. Nonexistent. A non participant. And by that virtue you have no rights. No right to complain. If you want to be heard, you need to play the game. Vote for something.
Even if you don't like everything about her, you might find you learn things about her you really want. You'll never know if you don't at lest ask her out.