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Moral life of babies

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I was reading an article in the New York Times magazine detailing the possibility of infants having some sort of moral compass. If so, this could complete turn the idea of "innocence" on its head. Do babies have an innate sense of right and wrong? And if they do, do they actually know what should be "right" behavior without society telling them or without parental influence? Is it "true" morality or a naive worldview, based on a baby's perspective?

It bares some thought. I found the article online below, as well as a link. Warning: Article is rather lengthy. But very interesting. What do you think of the study?

Moral Life of Babies

By PAUL BLOOM
Posted: May 5, 2010.
Print: New York Times Magazine

Not long ago, a team of researchers watched a 1-year-old boy take justice into his own hands. The boy had just seen a puppet show in which one puppet played with a ball while interacting with two other puppets. The center puppet would slide the ball to the puppet on the right, who would pass it back. And the center puppet would slide the ball to the puppet on the left . . . who would run away with it. Then the two puppets on the ends were brought down from the stage and set before the toddler. Each was placed next to a pile of treats. At this point, the toddler was asked to take a treat away from one puppet. Like most children in this situation, the boy took it from the pile of the “naughty” one. But this punishment wasn’t enough — he then leaned over and smacked the puppet in the head.

This incident occurred in one of several psychology studies that I have been involved with at the Infant Cognition Center at Yale University in collaboration with my colleague (and wife), Karen Wynn, who runs the lab, and a graduate student, Kiley Hamlin, who is the lead author of the studies. We are one of a handful of research teams around the world exploring the moral life of babies.

Like many scientists and humanists, I have long been fascinated by the capacities and inclinations of babies and children. The mental life of young humans not only is an interesting topic in its own right; it also raises — and can help answer — fundamental questions of philosophy and psychology, including how biological evolution and cultural experience conspire to shape human nature. In graduate school, I studied early language development and later moved on to fairly traditional topics in cognitive development, like how we come to understand the minds of other people — what they know, want and experience.

But the current work I’m involved in, on baby morality, might seem like a perverse and misguided next step. Why would anyone even entertain the thought of babies as moral beings? From Sigmund Freud to Jean Piaget to Lawrence Kohlberg, psychologists have long argued that we begin life as amoral animals. One important task of society, particularly of parents, is to turn babies into civilized beings — social creatures who can experience empathy, guilt and shame; who can override selfish impulses in the name of higher principles; and who will respond with outrage to unfairness and injustice. Many parents and educators would endorse a view of infants and toddlers close to that of a recent Onion headline: “New Study Reveals Most Children Unrepentant Sociopaths.” If children enter the world already equipped with moral notions, why is it that we have to work so hard to humanize them?

A growing body of evidence, though, suggests that humans do have a rudimentary moral sense from the very start of life. With the help of well-designed experiments, you can see glimmers of moral thought, moral judgment and moral feeling even in the first year of life. Some sense of good and evil seems to be bred in the bone. Which is not to say that parents are wrong to concern themselves with moral development or that their interactions with their children are a waste of time. Socialization is critically important. But this is not because babies and young children lack a sense of right and wrong; it’s because the sense of right and wrong that they naturally possess diverges in important ways from what we adults would want it to be.

Smart Babies

Babies seem spastic in their actions, undisciplined in their attention. In 1762, Jean-Jacques Rousseau called the baby “a perfect idiot,” and in 1890 William James famously described a baby’s mental life as “one great blooming, buzzing confusion.” A sympathetic parent might see the spark of consciousness in a baby’s large eyes and eagerly accept the popular claim that babies are wonderful learners, but it is hard to avoid the impression that they begin as ignorant as bread loaves. Many developmental psychologists will tell you that the ignorance of human babies extends well into childhood. For many years the conventional view was that young humans take a surprisingly long time to learn basic facts about the physical world (like that objects continue to exist once they are out of sight) and basic facts about people (like that they have beliefs and desires and goals) — let alone how long it takes them to learn about morality.

I am admittedly biased, but I think one of the great discoveries in modern psychology is that this view of babies is mistaken.

A reason this view has persisted is that, for many years, scientists weren’t sure how to go about studying the mental life of babies. It’s a challenge to study the cognitive abilities of any creature that lacks language, but human babies present an additional difficulty, because, even compared to rats or birds, they are behaviorally limited: they can’t run mazes or peck at levers. In the 1980s, however, psychologists interested in exploring how much babies know began making use of one of the few behaviors that young babies can control: the movement of their eyes. The eyes are a window to the baby’s soul. As adults do, when babies see something that they find interesting or surprising, they tend to look at it longer than they would at something they find uninteresting or expected. And when given a choice between two things to look at, babies usually opt to look at the more pleasing thing. You can use “looking time,” then, as a rough but reliable proxy for what captures babies’ attention: what babies are surprised by or what babies like.

The studies in the 1980s that made use of this methodology were able to discover surprising things about what babies know about the nature and workings of physical objects — a baby’s “na
 
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I heard a story on this with the researchers on National Public Radio! It comes as no surprise to me that babies have this ability. Overall I think it is a safe bet to never underestimate anything in the cosmos.
 
When my first son was 10 months old, he would crawl into the bathroom where he new he wasn't supposed to be (if I left the door open.) If he didn't see us, he would crawl in there as quickly as possible. If he saw us, he would look at us and crawl in as slow as possible, like a sloth.

I think he felt that if he moved slowly enough, we wouldn't notice.

Yeah, they know 'supposed to' versus 'not supposed to', which is odd, because they have no theory of mind until 3.5 yrs old according to most research. In other words, they can't distinguish self and other mind. In this sense, I suppose I wonder why this article claims that children develop theory of mind by age 2, when all of the other research suggests that before age 3.5, they don't.

This article doesn't even mention that this would be a controversial claim.

Personally, I watched my son develop his theory of mind last month, so I am a firm believer that the older researchers got it right. I think something is being misinterpreted with the 2 year olds.
 
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When my first son was 10 months old, he would crawl into the bathroom where he new he wasn't supposed to be (if I left the door open.) If he didn't see us, he would crawl in there as quickly as possible. If he saw us, he would look at us and crawl in as slow as possible, like a sloth.

I think he felt that if he moved slowly enough, we wouldn't notice.

Yeah, they know 'supposed to' versus 'not supposed to', which is odd, because they have no theory of mind until 3.5 yrs old according to most research. In other words, they can't distinguish self and other mind. In this sense, I suppose I wonder why this article claims that children develop theory of mind by age 2, when all of the other research suggests that before age 3.5, they don't.

This article doesn't even mention that this would be a controversial claim.

Personally, I watched my son develop his theory of mind last month, so I am a firm believer that the older researchers got it right. I think something is being misinterpreted with the 2 year olds.

Babies and 2-year-olds are clever and bright, I have no doubt many of them develop theory of mind by that age, or earlier. They do have some concept of morality. Also, they are HUGE people-watchers, it's what they do; so it seems likely they are drawing conclusions as they watch the people around them.

Also, there's that old researcher trick of "I'm going to hide the steak knife you wanted to use as a teething ring and make it disappear, so it is now gone forever!" that all the child psychologists claim works for little toddlers... bah. The whole "object permanence" concept develops much earlier in some children, I don't care what any researchers say.

And my younger son was walking by 8.5 months, which was significantly earlier than average, so it seems likely that babies under the age of 1 could develop things like object permance and moral sense.