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    I just died lol
     
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    Fabulous read. Very timely for me. :smirk:

    What would make Trump different?

    I miss my youngest son so much. He and I would have political discussion where we willingly went to our own "ugly truths" and honestly named things about how those ugly self truths contribute to things. These are the things you can't say without a public shaming, but are truth, nonetheless. I think it is so healthy to be able to have these conversations somewhere.

    Because when we don't do that self-examination, I agree it is a culture war of personalities split.

    Oh God, but it's so damn scary!!!! I try. I try. Then I want to split against myself for being so bad at it. Is anyone else seeing the rabbit hole forming underneath me?:smile:
     
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    Welcome to the USA!
    (BTW - I still owe France $50 for a trip to the ER from food poisoning...they sent me a bill, but I never paid it.
    Hopefully I’m not on some list of people to bar from the country now hahaha.)

    What would make him different?
    An inability to empathize...he seems like all semblance of humanity has been choked out of him at an early age by his Father probably.
    IDK...wholly speculating.
    If someone has no “feelings” technically, can you compare fairly to someone who does?

    It is hard, and it is scary!
    I try too!
    And yes, there is a deep hole there!!
     
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    This is a fascinating and beautiful story and video!
    Coincidence?
    Explanations?
    Believe what you will.



    Family Grieving Death of Mother
    Who Loved Cardinals Gets Breathtaking Visit from Wild Bird


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    Losing a cherished loved one is among life’s most sorrowful experiences.
    We’re often confronted with a sense of emptiness that reminds us of all the ways that person enriched our lives.

    So many folks wish for some sort of sign that the individual remains with them in spirit.
    And sure enough, certain mysterious occurrences seem to suggest that death does not truly sever our caring connections.

    Take visiting birds, for example.
    Several ancient cultures believed that winged creatures symbolize newly liberated souls on their way to reside with God.

    Angela Abbott Patteson could probably tell you something about this.
    Her grandmother-in-law, Dorothy Booth, recently passed away peacefully at the age of 97.

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    The Dodo reported that according to Patteson, Booth’s daughters Jeanne Booth Wright and Debbie Booth Patterson had communicated a specific request.

    Anticipating their mother’s eventual passing, they asked her to signal them from beyond if she could.

    “They talked many times with Grandma, lightheartedly, even jokingly,” Patteson told The Dodo. “‘Hey, when you get to heaven, see if you’re able to send a sign that you’re there and that you’re happy.’

    “She would say, ‘I’ll see what I can do!’ They said, ‘Send a cardinal!’ Because that was one of Grandma’s favorite birds.”


    So you can imagine the sense of astonished surprise when the family gathered together the day after Booth’s memorial service.
    They were reportedly playing Booth’s favorite card game when they heard a noise at the kitchen window.

    “My father-in-law went outside and saw it was a cardinal,” Patteson said. “It was just sitting there, completely alert and calm — nothing wrong with it.”

    But that cardinal seemed determined to stay put.
    Patteson explained that her father-in-law “was able to approach it and pick it up. He brought it in the house.”

    Booth’s daughters, of course, were utterly amazed and overjoyed.

    “They were taking pictures and crying and saying, ‘Oh my gosh, it really happened!’” Patteson said.

    But after a few minutes, the group agreed it was time to release the creature back into its natural habitat.
    And that’s when things got downright extraordinary.

    They thought the bird was about to fly away outside, but it returned to perch companionably on one daughter’s shoulder.

    “They were in sheer delight that that happened,” Patteson said.

    Eventually, the daughters gently placed the cardinal on a nearby branch while a family member recorded a video.
    The bird settled there briefly, basking quietly in their presence, and then softly soared into the sky.

    Booth’s family is absolutely convinced that the cardinal represented a loving message from their matriarch. “They knew that it was from God,” Patteson said.

    So if you’re missing someone who meant the world to you, don’t lose hope.
    Perhaps they realize your heart is aching, and they’re hovering close by your side right this minute.

    “To have this happen has been so comforting,” Patteson said. “It’s really helped my mother-in-law and her sister. This was definitely an answer to prayers.”







     
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    Ha! OK, fair enough. I tend to think of him in the narcissistic category, but in either case, he seems like a great example of shadow pouring out everywhere without self-awareness. Maybe even specifically because of the father influence to be something that didn't allow room for all of him to be examined and accepted. Bleeding heart me, huh? He just needed more love and acceptance! :)

    Damn, I was hoping I was imagining it. Well, at least I'll have company as I tumble in. ;-)
     
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    If only Hitler was accepted to art school!
    lol
    No he probably would have been entirely different had he been nurtured by someone else as a child...but perhaps not, maybe it’s in his genes...his Dad was a swindler....his great-grandfather was run out of Germany for being a draft dodger and immigrated here ILLEGALLY to boot, before going from barber to swindler businessman himself...so there is a strong predisposition for being “less than honest” people?
    If Trump isn’t a fine example of a pathological liar I’m not sure who is...it’s a mix...I think he knows sometimes when he is and other times it’s totally what he believes to be true in his shriveled up brain.
    I’m sure honesty is partially nurture for sure and what you saw you own parents mirroring for you, what they instilled as right and wrong.
    But perhaps there is a genetic component being passed down here as well as the bad morality?
    His own children seem to be just as full of shit as he is...and also gravitate toward shitty people like Kushner.
    You are most definitely correct that he is a narcissist...but can he empathize with normal humans around him...I’m not so sure that he actually is capable...I honestly think imho he is mentally unfit to be in the spot he is and am constantly amazed by what he gets away with and the incredible double standard that Obama was held in comparison is enormous!
    If Obama had done or said 1% of the dumb, irrational, downright unlawful, traitorous, confirmed lies, racist, sexist, xenophobic, anti-muslim, anti-LGBQT, anti-human rights, anti-environment, global climate change denying, money laundering, misspelled, moronic tweets and things Trump has done he would have been crucified by the GOP.
    (now I’ve gone down a rabbit hole...thanks! lol)
    The GOP who think that gerrymandering, voter suppression, racism, sexism, and all the other BS is perfectly fine to win for their side.
    Who constantly tout fiscal responsibility but history shows that to be a completely untrue lie perpetuated for decades now.
    It’s very true that people are getting fucked over on their taxes this year thanks to Trump and the GOP being so considerate toward that middle class and that all the stuff about it only being for the rich was just silly...haha... :(
    Wages continue to stagnate.
    Okay...I’ve wandered way off course now...

    At any rate...he has no idea what it’s like to live below a certain level of wealth.
    He cannot empathize even if it were mentally/emotionally possible for the guy.
    He lives in a world that is far separated from most of the country he is supposed to represent and on day one forgot that he was and still is the employee of the people.
     
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    I suspect he represents the people who voted for him pretty well actually - my theory.... they voted for their shadows so they could have someone to project them onto :D
     
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    I believe so.

    "Hear, hear!" She shouts...and then goes off to whimper in dismay at the state of humanity. :disappointed:

    btw, I don't think he forgot he was an employee, I don't think being so was ever his intention. But, I am also pretty sure you wouldn't disagree with me.

    But isn't that the fun part? :wink:
     
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    Dang, you nailed it!
     
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    I'm quite certain he has always viewed the position of president as nothing more than a business opportunity
     
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    I agree with all of you!
    He certainly does not have to good of the nation or the world as the primary objective that’s for sure.
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