Intellectual Bulllying

Psh, fat chance getting me to believe something I don't want to.

Nevertheless, I think this exsists to a small degree. I have one of two friends who are mentally bullied by other friends, and let it happend without helping themselves. It takes a certain kind of person to be succpetuble to this. I think one of the biggest factors is for the person to not have very many strong opinions to begin with, and has low self-worth. I have no idea how one would deal with this though. I would think the person being bullied wouldn't actually see it being done to them. As such, it would take an outside source to "wake them up" and get them to start to defend themselves. However, I think that would be a very hard thing to do.

 

i prefer intellectual self-defence over either emotional rigidity, mute withdrawal, or heated argument. i don't believe in forcing anyone to any perspective by means of knowing or thinking i know more than them (in the broadest sense), but i do believe it is important to reason with them and perhaps even learn from them if what they are arguing makes sense.
also, different people do excel in different intelligence areas and have differing values. it would be easier to deal with someone by distinguishing values from facts. argued facts are less complex to reason with and accept whereas values are of a more subjective dimension and harder to sway through intellectual argument.
i think it's also a good idea to discern why they are being verbally aggressive (e.g. the purpose of enlarging their own egos, asserting something that they truly believe in defence or persuasion, just for the mere fun of verbal sparring?...) then at least, you'll have an idea of how much effort you want to use in dealing with this person and the means to do so

 

I've never thought of it in those terms, but I suppose, yes, I do believe it happens.

No, but they can create a situation where the other might feel emotions of humiliation and insecurity deep enough that they would choose something they would not otherwise choose if they were standing on a different emotional platform.

Yes. I don't know if it's by nature or nurture or both, but I'm one of those people.

This sounds like you are asking a question of degree, but I experience possible or not as a yes/no question and so I'm not sure how to answer this.

I believe it is possible for someone to feel denigrated and humiliated by the nonphysical interaction of someone they perceive to be of higher education or intelligence.

How easily this might be accomplished, I guess, would depend on the level of aggression and the level of insecurity of the parties involved.

I don't know what's the most appropriate way, but I withdraw. If find myself in company where I recognize my own sense of self threatened and I don't feel strong enough to defend it, I leave. Or I submit.

 

Oh absolutely, they are called manipulative arseholes. I think it

 

Ayn Rand is an intellectual bully.

 

The intellectual bullies I have met have generally been less intelligent and less educated than their peers.

Their ability to impose their thoughts seems to lie in several skills:

Sophistry - making the illogical sound logical.
Rhetoric - making the unappealing sound appealing.
Alarmism - making the unimportant seem important.
Marketing - making the unpopular seem popular.
Lying - making the untrue sound true.

 

Intellectual Bullying

As usual, Tovlo, well thought out and exquisitely expressed. This was very much my own experience until doing extremely well in law school bolstered my confidence in my own analytical abilities. I still dislike conflict, however, and tend to avoid it by withdrawing; so perhaps I'm still being bullied, but it feels more like choosing not to engage and my sense of self remains more intact, I think.

 

What if what you don't want to believe is also the truth?

Look at the world today. It's one big cluster fuck of intellectual bullying. Religion, economy, ethics, philosophies, etc. They're all forms of false ideas shoved into the skull of the common man to make them perceive reality in a way that is beneficial to the powers that be. The way people think of reality is an illusion- A lie.

So, yes, intellectual bullying exists, on a grand scale.

 

Intellectual bullying is actually much more prominent than most people realize. It's rather easy to actually get a wide majority of the population to believe something, especially if there's conformism involved.

If people come to believe someone is smarter than them, it's usually pretty easy for them to get insecure enough to believe that person, especially if that person is pushy or aggressive in their beliefs.

 

I've got skills in these:

Sophistry - making the illogical sound logical.
Rhetoric - making the unappealing sound appealing.

 

No, I don't believe in it. People say stuff and you believe it or think about it or not as you choose and wish to. It could only be bullying if it were used to force you to comply with something or to get a good grade or something. Bullying doesn't have to be physical of course. You could tell someone you will not allow them to participate in something you have control over unless they do as they ask of you. "You can't come to my party unless you wear pants" could be considered bullying you know! < Any sort of control over others may be considered bullying, but just talking like you are intelligent is not bullying to me.

 

Mr. Coyte. I don't mean this to go off topic, but I hope to rather expand it, but what is there to be personally gained by bullying others? I can differentiate this in some ways in the sense that if a parent does this to a child or a teacher to a student or a boss to a worker, then I think this is horrible on the part of the perpetrator, what can they gain by that? And what could that be worth, and what they are doing to the other is reprehensible, but what you do to another comes from your own strengths and weakness.

The second way is when it is between what would seem to be peers where there is not the threat of punishment because of age or control things and in this I have to see both the victim and the perpetrator as both being at common fault.

Now. Since you seem of the intellectual (but not bullying) type, may I ask of you another question? Who is to be felt the more compassion for? The bullier or the bullied?

 

Not true. Because there are better things to do than go to someones party, and it's their house anyway. Also, they're showing a way you COULD go to their place.

 

I'm bringing back this topic because this seems interesting.

Personally, yes, I do believe in it. Because I've been on both sides.

It is the harsher form of convincing, actually. The usual message sent in one of those bullying is "how stupid you are (for not believing what I believe)"
Thus, conforming is a form of ego defense here. Something human (learning from one's mistakes) done out of a human fear (so that they are wrong no more).

The solution...is quite hard. I found that deflecting / lowering the significance of the 'topic' in question helps, but it cannot work at all time.

 

I have to agree with [MENTION=862]Flavus Aquila[/MENTION] on this.

I think most people who employ bullying techniques to get others to acquiesce to their positions are usually not as smart as they make themselves out to be.
However, others are very intelligent but they have other deficiencies that make them act in this way, such as a weak ego that needs to be fed through demeaning another human being or needing to be recognizes as 'right'.

I have been 'bullied' into having to, not necessarily agree (because I can't lie and agree to something I don't), but be quiet and not push the point for fear of repercussions in retaliation for having an opinion other than theirs. In those cases I was much more informed than them on the matters and wanting to discuss in a rational way but they were unable to do so, or even entertain the thought that I might be more informed than them. If anything, if I made a logical point they would get angrier and more determined to stick to their illogical positions.

These bullying incidences were all perpetrated by male family members who all left me feeling that their need to protect their ego is stronger than their respect or care for me. That was a hard lesson.

 

Yes, there is in fact a word for this:


Coercion (n.): persuasion of (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats; to obtain something by such means.