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I agreed.There is a difference between personality type and a given disorder. I believe that genetic predisposition, combined with psychological type, trauma and other environmental triggers, cause the given disorder.
There was a thread around here that tried to relate crappy childhood to being INFJ. I don't think that the childhood makes one an INFJ. I think being an INFJ makes one turn out differently from those experiences, than another type (among other factors).
The key word with all personality disorders is "extreme." I think the main thing about BPD is a lack of an internally defined sense of self or confusion about their identity in relation to others and extremely self-destructive behaviors, such as addictions and suicide attempts. They have an extreme fear of abandonment and can sometimes go to extreme measures to avoid the real or imagined abandonment. They also tend to lack emotional boundaries and have trouble maintaining any sort of healthy relationship with others. I remember that in my abnormal psych class the prof said that they are often victims of sexual or emotional abuse. I think this is very different from a normal INFJ, who is sensitive but still able to separate their own needs from the needs of others. But NF types are probably more likely to have it...*Also forgot to add that their feelings towards others tend to change a lot. Like one day so and so might be their best friend, then the next they hate that person with a passion because of one argument they had.
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It's the scarcity that causes dramatic comparisons.
Really, who cares if it's 2% of the population? Who should care if it's even the same two percent?
People have too much stock in what they read, especially when it comes to small percentages. So, I might say that there's only 1% INFJs so therefore there's a difference between INFJ and BPD (since BPD is 2%) but in actuality that is really inane for me to say, and I just don't know.
Another one is when people say that there's too many INFJs and starts claiming that some of them must be false since they believe it goes against the 1% of population idea. Well maybe that 1% factoid is wrong, but it is rarely questioned- it gets taken as some kind of fact and they expect other information to align with it. That's not how it works.
Yah I agree it was just an interesting correlation. It seems the big difference is the extreme actions. Like yelling at people and stuff. Even though INFJ's and other people might feel like doing it they have the restraint not to. A person with BPD would just let loose because the emotions are overwhelming.
True about the fact part too. We assume these are the facts, like lots of things in life, but they probably aren't.
Chulo, nothing you described sounds like BPD. The F is the only one that is correct.
Judging isn't the same as SPLITTING. Dissociation is not the same as disconnecting. Entire different ballgame...one is a ballgame the other is a hurricane.
Even though people with personality disorders typically won't have any use for conventional personality categorization systems, it is possible that BPD people bear strong resemblance to the INFJ type description, compared to those of other types. It's kind of like how a square can be a rectangle, but a rectangle can't be considered a square.
I don't get why people with personality disorders typically won't have any use for conventional personality categorization systems. People with BPD usually have a concrete personality underneath their various "schemas" and BPD isn't a multiple personality disorder. They are usually unsure of who they are. But that doesn't necessarily mean they don't have a true personality. I just think they have trouble knowing what that person is. I don't know though because I don't have BPD. I'm just going based on my own experience.
Hmm.. yes but why would it be relevant to them, or what would they be able to use knowing their type for if a) their disorder being there would render their evaluation flawed/inaccurate (are the tests designed to accommodate people with differences like these?), and b) their disorder would be constantly overriding their "core" personality anyway?
I know they aren't the same but I just thought it was interesting that they seem related. I wonder if people with BPD cut people out of their lives because subconsciously they want closure the same way a judger does. Keeping someone in their life after they did something they perceive as evil would be like leaving a loose end in their life that could cause problems later. So they start "splitting". It seems like it could be driven by a desire to have closure in the mind. I don't know though, I'm just making assumptions based on what I'm most familiar with.
Most people experience dissociation at some point in life even if they don't have a disorder, I feel I've experienced it at certain times. For me it feels very Ni. That was my experience but that is also my preference. So perhaps I'm just assuming my experience is universal and that's why I compared it to Ni. I wonder what it feels like when other people experience it. Or if what I have experienced is true dissociation.
I know they aren't the same but I just thought it was interesting that they seem related. I wonder if people with BPD cut people out of their lives because subconsciously they want closure the same way a judger does. Keeping someone in their life after they did something they perceive as evil would be like leaving a loose end in their life that could cause problems later. So they start "splitting". It seems like it could be driven by a desire to have closure in the mind. I don't know though, I'm just making assumptions based on what I'm most familiar with.