Do you agree with Descartes' conclusion that "I think therfore I am"
Do you know what he meant?
What does it mean to you?
Do you know what he meant?
What does it mean to you?
As I've mentioned before, I think Descartes should have stopped at "thinking". By the process of brain development through outside interaction, he develops the sense of "I", and everything else.
In the end, existence is such a... fragile, malleable thing. You can say "I think, therefore I am," but you only are to such an extent that... Well... I can't really explain it.
If a man somehow spent his entire life in a dream, he could rationalize it the same way. If we were all just constructs of a virtual reality, we'd think the same things.
What am I even trying to get at here?...
I don't think there's any way we can actually PROVE that we exist. No statement could confirm it. No discovery. But I'm happy with whatever the hell we're doing right now, whether it's existing or dreaming or whatever.
EDIT: I don't know much about the statement itself.
Do you agree with Descartes' conclusion that "I think therfore I am"
Do you know what he meant?
What does it mean to you?
Do you agree with Descartes' conclusion that "I think therfore I am"
Do you know what he meant?
What does it mean to you?
reality is perception.
That would fit well with Protagoras.
"Man is the measure of all things."
A Sophist from Greece and someone I dearly wish still had surviving works to learn from.
Oh, that is not at all surprising, if one analyzes how the brain learns to behave critically, and to seek the anthropomorphic superstitions everywhere. It's essentially the same process. Just like Einstein thought of the universe almost as a "being", a "mind", whose "thoughts" are to be deciphered. Unfortunately, such people are still considered icons of human thought, and not evaluated more fairly.Many philosophers frown at that part and wonder why Descartes couldn't doubt god when he could doubt everything else so easily. It's a curious footnote.
In this, I often say what is existence without measurement?
If you have no senses and no feelings then to what extent to you exist?
To understand Descartes' words here, we have to understand the person who spoke them. He was a mathematician -- the sort of person who has a very cold hearted sense of truth. The sort of person who needs a rigorous proof in order to accept anything as being true.
In mathematics up to that time, things like 1+1=2 are assumed without proof, but to a formalist, this is totally unacceptable. If it is not proven, you don't know it is true. So everything derivative of such statements is also thrown into equal uncertainty.
I believe Descartes discovered he could doubt things in his work, and discovered that not everything had rigorous foundations.
I believe that he came to doubt everything empirical. He can doubt everything his senses told him -- something as psychological as it was philosophical. That he can doubt almost everything in reality as it was without rigorous proof. I believe he was searching for what was truely at the beginning, like the root of the tree of knowledge, from which everything grew. What could be accepted without proof? Was there anything? What is the foundation that everything else must be built upon?
After painfully eroding away everything in his world away with skepticism, he realised he could not doubt his own being, as he is the doubter. To doubt his own being would contradict what he was doing.
But "being" is something less than human -- reducing it down to the minimum required: Nothing more than a thought holder, holding a thought. And by holding that thought, he then knew that a thought holder exists, and that was what he was. I think, therefore I am a thought holder.
So he identified himself as a thinking machine at the core.
I'm not sure how he tied his belief in god into that. Many philosophers frown at that part and wonder why Descartes couldn't doubt god when he could doubt everything else so easily. It's a curious footnote.