How Do You Conceive of God? | Page 5 | INFJ Forum

How Do You Conceive of God?

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Ren, Jan 23, 2019.

Share This Page

Watchers:
This thread is being watched by 22 users.
More threads by Ren
  1. Joshua E Rigal

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2019
    Threads:
    1
    Messages:
    39
    Likes Received:
    106
    Trophy Points:
    473
    Gender:
    Male
    MBTI:
    INFJ
    Enneagram:
    1, 5, or 8
    Damn it. I shouldn't be going into these threads while at work.
     
    flower and Ren like this.
  2. OP
    Ren

    Ren Pin's android and co-founder of Stoic Café

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2017
    Threads:
    35
    Messages:
    6,062
    Featured Threads:
    25
    Likes Received:
    55,756
    Trophy Points:
    4,022
    Location:
    Geneva
    MBTI:
    Ni
    Enneagram:
    5w4 spsx
    Hehe, why not?

    How do you conceive of our ol' friend God, Joshua? ;)
     
    flower likes this.
  3. Disguised

    Disguised Community Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2017
    Threads:
    1
    Messages:
    266
    Likes Received:
    975
    Trophy Points:
    952
    Gender:
    Male
    MBTI:
    INFJ
    I do find interest in these beliefs surely and the differing stances people have on it. Nevertheless if we speak in terms of religions they all have one thing in common, a godlike entity. Being interested in these superstitions I can't say it would be meaningless, but in person I find no relief in believing such things. It's like finding meaning in something that doesn't exist, so I find it interesting as what comes to the human psyche and the need for such things.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    flower and Ren like this.
  4. OP
    Ren

    Ren Pin's android and co-founder of Stoic Café

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2017
    Threads:
    35
    Messages:
    6,062
    Featured Threads:
    25
    Likes Received:
    55,756
    Trophy Points:
    4,022
    Location:
    Geneva
    MBTI:
    Ni
    Enneagram:
    5w4 spsx
    That's true, though on certain conceptions of God, such as Spinoza's, God is essentially synonymous with Nature/the Cosmos.

    I think that if I were religious, I would be a pantheist à la Spinoza. His metaphysics are a beautiful edifice.
     
    flower and Disguised like this.
  5. Disguised

    Disguised Community Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2017
    Threads:
    1
    Messages:
    266
    Likes Received:
    975
    Trophy Points:
    952
    Gender:
    Male
    MBTI:
    INFJ
    Sure, thinking god is everything and planned by him/her/it (thus eradicating free will and unique thought) is somewhat out of my realm though. Likewise I do think things happen for a reason but I don't need a god to fill in the blanks about what, how and why something happens when it happens. If life is about understanding then most surely I will try to eliminate the x factors so to speak from the equation.

    Don't get me wrong though, his philosophy did get my attention here :smile:
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    flower and Hostarius like this.
  6. dragulagu

    dragulagu Truth does not change because it is, or is not. 42
    Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2019
    Threads:
    12
    Messages:
    452
    Featured Threads:
    1
    Likes Received:
    2,058
    Trophy Points:
    997
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Waffleland
    MBTI:
    INTJ
    Enneagram:
    549
    I would love to have a Theocentric perspective of the Universe in which the creation of it has been done, where the furthest developed beings from an Old Universe would take on the role to create a New Universe, which would be formed towards what they would seem is the best take on it. They would plant the seeds in which time and existence would flow and develop. They would not interact but they would have certainties put into it place so that the Universe specifically forms into a specific environment in which new beings are born to observe, grow from and eventually ascend into a new form of being that would then decide again on the creation of the next Universe. The Old Universe would wither as scattered forms of energy, leaving place for the New. Thus having an endless cycle of Rebirth.

    (Pretty sure this perspective is covered in several religions already in some kind of similar form, at least the Rebirth part is)
     
    flower and Hostarius like this.
  7. Pin

    Pin "Magnificent Bastard" / Ren's Counterpart

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2017
    Threads:
    0
    Messages:
    6,323
    Likes Received:
    20,868
    Trophy Points:
    2,877
    Gender:
    Male
    MBTI:
    ENTJ
    Enneagram:
    3w4, 3-8-7
    I've been agnostic, even leaned towards Atheism for much of my life. That was until I realized what a fantastic opportunity it is to be a Catholic. You've got an ancient church, fraternal organizations, a political base, and a rich culture.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    flower and Hostarius like this.
  8. Hostarius

    Hostarius Apostate INFJ

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2018
    Threads:
    16
    Messages:
    3,647
    Featured Threads:
    11
    Likes Received:
    27,473
    Trophy Points:
    2,242
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    UK, a part of the EU
    MBTI:
    INTJ
    Enneagram:
    1w2
    That's what God likes: opportunists.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    Daustus, flower and Pin like this.
  9. Pin

    Pin "Magnificent Bastard" / Ren's Counterpart

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2017
    Threads:
    0
    Messages:
    6,323
    Likes Received:
    20,868
    Trophy Points:
    2,877
    Gender:
    Male
    MBTI:
    ENTJ
    Enneagram:
    3w4, 3-8-7
    "God blesses those who realize their need for him..."
    -Matthew 5:3-4
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    flower and Hostarius like this.
  10. Hostarius

    Hostarius Apostate INFJ

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2018
    Threads:
    16
    Messages:
    3,647
    Featured Threads:
    11
    Likes Received:
    27,473
    Trophy Points:
    2,242
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    UK, a part of the EU
    MBTI:
    INTJ
    Enneagram:
    1w2
    :laughing::laughing:

    You'll make a great politician.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    flower and Pin like this.
  11. SingingLoveHuggs

    Joined:
    May 16, 2019
    Threads:
    0
    Messages:
    9
    Likes Received:
    57
    Trophy Points:
    438
    Gender:
    Female
    MBTI:
    INFJ
    I am currently considering myself to be agnostic. I would love to believe that there is a true, fair, and just God. However, given the state of the world, that seems unlikely.
     
  12. charlatan

    charlatan Community Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2015
    Threads:
    0
    Messages:
    899
    Likes Received:
    1,660
    Trophy Points:
    682
    Gender:
    Male
    MBTI:
    Ne-ILE-H
    Enneagram:
    6 spsx
    For what it's worth, I think the same as you.

    However, just for sake of discussion, I think the fact that most orthodox religions guarantee an after-life which is 'perfect' and heavenly full of incomprehensible joy for eternity compared with, say, a mere few decades on earth puts at least theoretical pressure.

    I don't think there's really any good reason to allow suffering, but that's at least somewhat controversial to some people who think you 'grow' through it. Or that at least there is something to be learned from it or some morally sufficient reason to permit it. Common views tend to involve there being 'more to life' than pain/pleasure to the point where these two are relatively minor, and not surprisingly, I think many theists share that idea.

    If you are viewing the suffering here in this world as too much, but you do think SOME suffering is OK, there's a lot of pressure put by the fact that the afterlife is vastly more joyful than the suffering you experience in this world.


    Of course, one can reject there being evidence for God's existence, but that's a totally different argument, and suggests once the theist can convince one that there are independent reasons to suspect the existence, the suffering should hardly be inexplicable.
     
    #92 charlatan, May 21, 2019 at 5:32 PM
    Last edited: May 21, 2019 at 5:37 PM

Share This Page