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Don't You Dare Say That!

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I've been exploring a really interesting idea lately and kind of working on it with my friends and loved ones. It started with a conversation I was having with one of them that involved hypothetical overthrow of government.

My friend said something very important and I found it stuck in my craw in a way I haven't been able to dislodge.

"You can't say that. If someone hears you and calls the FBI, you could get arrested."

Now, I hadn't suggested anything more drastic than what's been said on national television networks across the country regarding a total shift in leadership. What shocked and appalled my friend was that I, a supposedly powerless person, would have the audacity to say it without an army of lawyers backing me up.

I've since then been thinking of things that you 'Can't Say'. These violate social taboos that run so deep and are so powerfully conditioned into the minds of people that even the words are vomited back out of the collective psyche.

It's the job of people in subcultures to find these things and say them, if only to one another. We may dedicate ourselves to specific causes but in the end what we're doing it challenging the fears and uncertainties of our culture. Sometimes we're speaking the collective thoughts which aren't said for safeties sake except by the brave or insane. Sometimes we're presenting creative ideas...and creative ideas make people squirm.

Lets hear a few things you can't say. I'll start us off. I want you to come back with some more. I realize some of this will offend you. It's meant to. If what is said attacks a deep and long held belief, take it as something to consider. Look for the possible grains of truth, the reasoning which could make a person think or say such a thing. Even if it is repugnant to you seek out the other person's truth.

It will give you a real edge in understanding others if you're able to put yourself in their shoes...even if their shoes are full of nails.

These ARE NOT my opinions or beliefs. Don't take them as such.

"Soldiers are murderers, whether they do it for god, king, or country."

"We should ban people who believe in invisible things from holding office for mental instability."

"Equality is a lie. People aren't equal nor do they have the potential to be."

"If you can't measure it, it doesn't exist."

"You can take a lesbian against her will and make her straight. It's not rape if you do it for God."

"There is no right or wrong. People are opportunistic animals and the survivors who pass on their genes are those who were right. The dead are those who were wrong."

"We should kill our leaders. They've betrayed us to the rich."

"Submissive women have been brain-washed."

"The world isn't overpopulated. It's underpopulated. We need more births."


I want to hear your examples. Don't strive just to shock. I can string together a spray of invective and shock with it. Strive to challenge yourself. See inside the minds of the people who're saying these things.

Deviate from the norm. People willing to develop and speak what are, today, extreme views will be the people who create the future. Find your extreme.
 
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I guess I'm as american as an american can get. All your examples were stupid and outrageous, but someone can SAY them if they want. Now will I be friends with them afterwards? I CHOOSE my own friends, and so do others. Everything we say has social consequences. Before we speak, we should weigh whether we want to endure the social consequences. Sometimes it will be worth it. Most of the time it isn't.

I want to say a word about deviancy for deviancy's sake. Here is the word: FUTILE. You aren't going to make yourself into a trend setter simply by being outrageous. You either ARE different than the norm, or you aren't. If you ARE different, yo don't need to use a magaphone on a soapbox to let the world know--it will be obvious.

I used to have a great friend covered in tatoos who played drums in a heavy metal group and who had a black belt in Kung Fu (she broke my leg!) The truth was she was pretty normal, and she wished she were special, so she tried to create a specialness by changing superficial things about herself like how she dressed. Sometimes I just felt sorry for her, because I knew she hadn't succeeded in setting herself apart. But mostly she just confused me...

Why? Because I AM a person who is deviant, and I don't know why anyone would WANT to have my life. I'm that quirky poet, the eccentric cat lady. I learned very quickly in childhood that we deviants are not well liked, and I was hurt terribly because I wanted friends, I wanted to belong. Where my Kung Fu sister was spending her life trying to break the norm, I was spending my life trying to better fit in. Being a deviant is NOT always being the romantic trend setter. It comes with a lot of alienation and depression and loneliness.

I hope that my friend has come to accept herself as what she really is, which is a wonderful human being, however common. I hope that she has come to appreciate the comfort and joys she experiences as a person on the top of the bell shaped curve. I know that I have finally come to terms with who I am (well mostly LOL). I accept my eccentricity as what makes me ME, although I do still try not to bother others too much with it.

Be vat you iss, not vat you iss not. Folks vat do zis, iss za happiest lot. (Mr. Wizard the Lizard)

Now, the OP post asked us to share deviant thoughts that bring on a social outcry. Here is my deviant thought: Don't have sex outside of marriage.
 
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Previously oppressed and unprivileged group X (women, blacks, refugees) have way too many allowances and it's turning them entitled and spoiled.
Act indifferent or approving toward child and animal abuse or rape - "She asked for it".



I'll usually say the one about equality and mean it.
 
Previously oppressed and unprivileged group X (women, blacks, refugees) have way too many allowances and it's turning them entitled and spoiled.

See England.
 
Animals, children, and women are for use, and therefor have no say in what happens, how it happens, and when.
Children should not speak unless spoken to.
 
Posted from another site where this thread is running:

- Having sex with someone under the legal age of consent is not always wrong
- Hitler was actually a highly evolved being; he was the first person to seriously attempt genetic improvement of the human race
- Women are inferior to men in many ways
- People have the right to fuck themselves up with drugs if they want to
- Murder is not only not always evil, it can be actively good in some cases
- The right to die is just as important as the right to live
- Abortion is absolutely right; you have the right to abort even 1 day before the due date


"Murderers should be rehabilitated."
"We should eliminate statutory rape laws in all cases except non-consent."
"No-one should have the right of free speech unless they can demonstrate that what they have to say has veracity."
"Organ donation should be mandatory at death regardless of religion."
 
"We ought to just topple the government and start over fresh. Things are just too broken up there."
 
Aborted fetuses should be dried and made into breakfast cereal!

Mentally or physically retarded babies should be thrown into the dumpster once they're born! Same with ugly ones!

Female genital mutilation is sexy!

Animal abuse should be a national sport!

Lol so what was the purpose of this thread?
 
I agree with the vast majority of the opinions expressed in this thread.


;)
 
Once when I was a kid I was at an evening mass with my parents when some drunk dude stumbled in the door and yelled "Jesus Christ is a Nazi King!" a couple of times. He was escorted out pretty quick and didn't get to participate when we all shook each others' hands and said "Peace be with you".
 
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quoted from OP,"My friend said something very important and I found it stuck in my craw in a way I haven't been able to dislodge."
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Heimlich Maneuver
 
... so me and a friend were talking about the most practical ways to make bombs in an airport... we did not realize we were doing this until later. We are both scientists and so were use the proper chemical terminology... and of course scy-fi references... so maybe that is why no one came and had an issue. We also both look incredibly young and naive even if we don't look like the stereotypical physicists...

I have found I can get away with saying absolutely outrages things and people barley blink at me because a) I look "young and pretty" and b) I say it in a nice, calm, matter of fact manner as if I was just discussing the weather. No one seems to have a problem... even with things they should have a problem with.. I really wish people listened more and you did not have to shock them just to get them to listen. Or even those that blink, no one ever tries to contradict the out-there things I say, it is frustrating when people don't seem to want to have a conversation.
 
didn't get to participate when we all shook each others' hands and said "Peace be with you".

Hn. I'm not a christian but I thought that christians preached forgiveness? Seems awfully hypocritical to me....