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Whatev you guys. I'm going to be optimistic. I think attitudes may start to change. Attitudes have been changing. Call me a socialist. But everyone should be able to afford and use healthcare. And that idea only continues to gain popularity here. A mixed market healthcare system is not socialism.
 
Whatev you guys. I'm going to be optimistic. I think attitudes may start to change. Attitudes have been changing. Call me a socialist. But everyone should be able to afford and use healthcare. And that idea only continues to gain popularity here. A mixed market healthcare system is not socialism.

I do hope you're right, sincerely
 
It's satan's government

I see that more as Fascism, Communism, and Military Backed Autocracies. No matter how bad the US is, it's not that bad.

I hear a lot of stories out of Mexico which make your skin crawl. Members of the government providing information to drug cartels so they can abduct and murder people.

Police officers demanding bribes. Cartels dressing as police to seize people for ransom.

The US really is a paradise compared to most American and Latin American countries. Its why there such a massive influx of illegal immigrants.

Whatev you guys. I'm going to be optimistic. I think attitudes may start to change. Attitudes have been changing. Call me a socialist. But everyone should be able to afford and use healthcare. And that idea only continues to gain popularity here.

Indeed, it takes time, but things will improve.
 
Americans don't like socialism, I don't see that changing for another few decades, if ever.
Again, the US was FDR and the New Deal right before WWII, and of course all nations are socialist during wartime.

'Americans' were happy with a social democracy agenda until monetarism and the exigencies of the Cold War. People forget just how recent the whole hyper-capitalist ideology is.

Even the settlement of the frontier was a state-directed, 'socialist' project where people were given land for free. It's not difficult to stop viewing American history through the lens of 1980s Friedmanite idealism.
 
The US really is a paradise compared to most American and Latin American countries. Its why there such a massive influx of illegal immigrants.

Obviously it's not a terrible place, it's just not the world leader/example it was in the 90s and a lot of people are under the false impression that it's still the best place on the planet. It's not.
 
Again, the US was FDR and the New Deal right before WWII, and of course all nations are socialist during wartime.

'Americans' were happy with a social democracy agenda until monetarism and the exigencies of the Cold War. People forget just how recent the whole hyper-capitalist ideology is.

Even the settlement of the frontier was a state-directed, 'socialist' project where people were given land for free. It's not difficult to stop viewing American history through the lens of 1980s Friedmanite idealism.

Yes but the Cold War was a MAJOR factor. That isn't undone easily, especially when the icon of Sociailsim, the USSR, literally collapsed.

The Nordics need to prosper and become the new icons of Socialism instead of Venzuela and China for Social Policies to gain any serious acceptance.

And that won't happen for a while.
 
Obviously it's not a terrible place, it's just not the world leader/example it was in the 90s and a lot of people are under the false impression that it's still the best place on the planet. It's not.

Depends for who.

Its better than 90% of the planet. Not as good as some small European/Asian countries, but certainly better vastly than China, India, most Latin American Nations, Africa, Southern Europe, Russia.

Can it be better? Yes there is always room for improvement but its not hell on Earth.
 
Depends for who.

Its better than 90% of the planet. Not as good as some small European/Asian countries, but certainly better vastly than China, India, most Latin American Nations, Africa, Southern Europe, Russia.

Can it be better? Yes there is always room for improvement but its not hell on Earth.

That's what I'm saying
 
Agreed. Sorry, misread.

I'm just coming at it from the perspective/desire of wanting to be #1 whereas you are taking a "good enough" approach.
I tend to talk/emote in extremes in order to ferret out truths.
 
It seems your government is quite happy to sacrifice potentially hundreds of thousands of people for the sake of the economy
You underestimate the apathy/ignorance of US citizens lol
. It's just wave after wave of oppressive mind numbing idiocy in the government
We're fucked under Trump's leadership
Though I think the US will power through, have a bit of a wave of death, then see a Democrat rise to the Presidency in November
I believe we're fucked no matter who is in office. There is only one leader of the United States and it is a large group of many lobbyists all with very deep pockets, all cramming the assholes of every elected official with brand new, crisp dolla billz.

I started a bunch of shit at work earlier in the week at the company I work for because of their willful ignorance to the crisis. Today, I had a talk with three of my company's main bosses about how they are handling this thing. The things I believe we're confirmed and I realized some things about the country at large.
1. The leaders of my company are not afraid of the virus, getting sick, or dying.
2. The leaders of my company are afraid of going out of business.
3. The leaders of my company do not understand that people outside of the company exist.
4. The leaders of my company do not care about the people that make the company what it is.
5. The leaders of my company are big time Trump supporters.
6. The leaders of my company do not trust news reports or "mainstream media."
7. The leaders of my company believe if they use people to save the business, they will save the economy, and save the nation.
8. That is the only greater good.

During my meeting, audible sounds fell out of their heads, such as:
"Well, I believe it has been here since late last summer and no one said anything then." (Because a relative and his family got "deathly" sick and tested negative for the flu.)
"I wish people would shut up about this flu."
"People are such pussies."
"We're all going to get it anyway."
"What they news conveniently glosses over is that we will have to pay it (an SBA loan from the new stimulus bill) back."
"When I go home, I don't turn the news on. It only creates anxiety."
"We will not get a loan, but if you do have it or are uncomfortable at work, you can use your 88 hrs of vacation time."
"We are blessed to still have a job."
"The federal government is working hard to stop this."
"The numbers you hear on the news are exaggerated."
In between trying to explain to them that I'm not worried for myself, it's just wrong to be contributing to the spread of an infectious disease that will put people in the hospital and kill them and if everyone gets sick at the same time the hospitals will collapse, the healthcare workers will get sick, people that are covid negative will die, I know what nurses and doctors are already suffering through and listening to their ignorant puke, it dawned on me that Trump has been at war with the media since before he was elected. Fox news, the other high profile fuckers and Trump just defend themselves against an imaginary enemy (anyone or thing that can be even remotely considered 'left,' including science and general humanity) And people eat it up, believe it, live it, adopt thebl 'enemies.' Trump has also proposed to cut CDC's budget more than once. Now we have a pandemic. The media is attempting to get information to the masses, but many don't believe it to be true because he discredits any media any chance he can. The media is the enemy. Now, when the media tries to tell the people what is happening in the world and the US in particular regarding the pandemic, people don't believe it and continue in ignorance. Others, that take this more seriously speak up, (like myself) are viewed as "freaking out," and it is even more clear that we are a divided nation in the worst way. It's no longer politics. It's two (or more) completely different realities filled with completely different species of creature that can't communicate. One believes health and life are primary. The other believes the lies that 'Nation' is economy and economy is life. Nation and God are synonymous. It is not life itself they stand for but, their 'way of life, ' in this so called land of freedom where our lives depend on every cent we make off the backs, health and life of others. And that is a very short sighted, selfish and shallow way to live.

When a fucking governor goes on TV, explains the situation in their state and tells the federal government exactly what must be done in order to meet the demands of a growing and crippling crisis and he is met with doubt that is believed and repeated to millions of faithful viewers every day and no or minimal action is taken, we are fucked in all the ways. And this shit is just what is needed. But be careful world! We have guns. Lots and lots of guns. A whole serious bunch of guns. I'm not talking about a couple. I'm talking about over half the population with massive arsenals buried in their back yards to hide em from the government. Think twice before you invade! On second thought... That may be the only way to unite us. Fuckers.
 
I believe we're fucked no matter who is in office. There is only one leader of the United States and it is a large group of many lobbyists all with very deep pockets, all cramming the assholes of every elected official with brand new, crisp dolla billz.

I started a bunch of shit at work earlier in the week at the company I work for because of their willful ignorance to the crisis. Today, I had a talk with three of my company's main bosses about how they are handling this thing. The things I believe we're confirmed and I realized some things about the country at large.
1. The leaders of my company are not afraid of the virus, getting sick, or dying.
2. The leaders of my company are afraid of going out of business.
3. The leaders of my company do not understand that people outside of the company exist.
4. The leaders of my company do not care about the people that make the company what it is.
5. The leaders of my company are big time Trump supporters.
6. The leaders of my company do not trust news reports or "mainstream media."
7. The leaders of my company believe if they use people to save the business, they will save the economy, and save the nation.
8. That is the only greater good.

During my meeting, audible sounds fell out of their heads, such as:
"Well, I believe it has been here since late last summer and no one said anything then." (Because a relative and his family got "deathly" sick and tested negative for the flu.)
"I wish people would shut up about this flu."
"People are such pussies."
"We're all going to get it anyway."
"What they news conveniently glosses over is that we will have to pay it (an SBA loan from the new stimulus bill) back."
"When I go home, I don't turn the news on. It only creates anxiety."
"We will not get a loan, but if you do have it or are uncomfortable at work, you can use your 88 hrs of vacation time."
"We are blessed to still have a job."
"The federal government is working hard to stop this."
"The numbers you hear on the news are exaggerated."
In between trying to explain to them that I'm not worried for myself, it's just wrong to be contributing to the spread of an infectious disease that will put people in the hospital and kill them and if everyone gets sick at the same time the hospitals will collapse, the healthcare workers will get sick, people that are covid negative will die, I know what nurses and doctors are already suffering through and listening to their ignorant puke, it dawned on me that Trump has been at war with the media since before he was elected. Fox news, the other high profile fuckers and Trump just defend themselves against an imaginary enemy (anyone or thing that can be even remotely considered 'left,' including science and general humanity) And people eat it up, believe it, live it, adopt thebl 'enemies.' Trump has also proposed to cut CDC's budget more than once. Now we have a pandemic. The media is attempting to get information to the masses, but many don't believe it to be true because he discredits any media any chance he can. The media is the enemy. Now, when the media tries to tell the people what is happening in the world and the US in particular regarding the pandemic, people don't believe it and continue in ignorance. Others, that take this more seriously speak up, (like myself) are viewed as "freaking out," and it is even more clear that we are a divided nation in the worst way. It's no longer politics. It's two (or more) completely different realities filled with completely different species of creature that can't communicate. One believes health and life are primary. The other believes the lies that 'Nation' is economy and economy is life. Nation and God are synonymous. It is not life itself they stand for but, their 'way of life, ' in this so called land of freedom where our lives depend on every cent we make off the backs, health and life of others. And that is a very short sighted, selfish and shallow way to live.

When a fucking governor goes on TV, explains the situation in their state and tells the federal government exactly what must be done in order to meet the demands of a growing and crippling crisis and he is met with doubt that is believed and repeated to millions of faithful viewers every day and no or minimal action is taken, we are fucked in all the ways. And this shit is just what is needed. But be careful world! We have guns. Lots and lots of guns. A whole serious bunch of guns. I'm not talking about a couple. I'm talking about over half the population with massive arsenals buried in their back yards to hide em from the government. Think twice before you invade! On second thought... That may be the only way to unite us. Fuckers.

Exactly
 
I'm just coming at it from the perspective/desire of wanting to be #1 whereas you are taking a "good enough" approach.
I tend to talk/emote in extremes in order to ferret out truths.

That's true.

Its more I like to praise for the success I see to encourage more positive movement. People can disagree but I feel criticising for a lack of improvement whilst still being ahead of the pack makes people feel "Why bother if we'll never be good enough."

I might be wrong but its my view. Aim for perfection but never compare the current system to perfection or criticise for not being perfect whilst improvements are being made.

I'm more of a carrot than stick person.
 
Whatev you guys. I'm going to be optimistic. I think attitudes may start to change. Attitudes have been changing. Call me a socialist. But everyone should be able to afford and use healthcare. And that idea only continues to gain popularity here
I agree with this.
Sincerely, a socialist
 
I'm more of a carrot than stick person.

I'm all stick :laughing::laughing:
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