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Church Goer's Support Tourture?
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I seriously thank you for pointing out that people get angry with me. I choose a path they are unfamiliar with. My passivity does not warrant aggression inasmuch as the way it is being received. I merely do not wish to fight.
It does not mean I cannot and will not; it is a choice and sometimes warrants a difficult stance. Nobody said it came easy or is perfected....but neither is it meant to make one angry. As Carl Jung once was quoted as saying, "I have been grossly misunderstood". He chose to have his autobiography withheld from being published until after his death because he did not wish to further deal with the arrows of criticism. Maybe I have a problem speaking truth unabrasively....I could deal with that.
It does not mean I cannot and will not; it is a choice and sometimes warrants a difficult stance. Nobody said it came easy or is perfected....but neither is it meant to make one angry. As Carl Jung once was quoted as saying, "I have been grossly misunderstood". He chose to have his autobiography withheld from being published until after his death because he did not wish to further deal with the arrows of criticism. Maybe I have a problem speaking truth unabrasively....I could deal with that.
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I'm just glad that you understand. I'm sorry if I was harsh. It is just that I pay very close attention to how I say something (i.e. I pay attention to how it could be received, so I try to be very clear and direct), so I get flustered when others appear to not do the same.
You have said it yourself in the past; Life and its activites are a never-ending learning process.
You have said it yourself in the past; Life and its activites are a never-ending learning process.
Yes, but the assumption I do not take great care saying something is wrong.
You take great care in explanation: I, great care trying not to offend while holding my ground.
It is possible the act of not saying something is intuitively received as an act of aggression.
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Yes, but you have to understand that you are still causing offence, and the way I see it, more offence then I you would if you say things as they are without trying to protect them. At least that way, you can work things out. I mean look at someone like Shai, he offends people. But he doesn't garner too much scolding from other members. If that does happen though, it is worked out.
Say what you mean.
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Yes, I know that. As you have stated in the past. But you also have to concider; does it work for others (useage of Fe right there!). You can't always just concider yourself.
There is also a difference between true silence (i.e. literally saying nothing), and worded silence.
There is also a difference between true silence (i.e. literally saying nothing), and worded silence.
I may very well have others in mind by my choice of words. My Fe has its own self-expression of an older man with many miles on his mind. My extroverted feelings do not matter? Should they not be a true expression of self? My expression of self is what it is.....just me.
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I don't agree with the idea of a persecution complex. I think it's simply self indoctrination, with regards to what america is doing and what christianity is, that is to blame.
I recall the last test you took that left you so flat on yours regarding Christianity and your remark.
This younger generation...sigh. Still have a lot to learn regarding communication skills.
In any church, any courtroom, any summit meeting, anywhere heads of state or governing officials would meet to discuss the things you people wish to force your ideals on........you would be thrown out on your butts, or possibly jailed for contempt. There is a time and a place to grow up and watch your tongue. Try talking like that and see where it leads to. One must try to say what one means to say with a certain dignity about it and the absence of foul language and abrasive words. The world does not accept your mannerisms. I have had to try and learn to speak my peace in an acceptable manner. It is now habit and form. It is something a few here must learn should they ever wish to speak their mind to dignitaries and have them to listen. Otherwise, you will remain ranting and raving on the internet.
Is that better?
In any church, any courtroom, any summit meeting, anywhere heads of state or governing officials would meet to discuss the things you people wish to force your ideals on........you would be thrown out on your butts, or possibly jailed for contempt. There is a time and a place to grow up and watch your tongue. Try talking like that and see where it leads to. One must try to say what one means to say with a certain dignity about it and the absence of foul language and abrasive words. The world does not accept your mannerisms. I have had to try and learn to speak my peace in an acceptable manner. It is now habit and form. It is something a few here must learn should they ever wish to speak their mind to dignitaries and have them to listen. Otherwise, you will remain ranting and raving on the internet.
Is that better?
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Wow this is horrible ,but why does this not surprise me? The world today... (not regarding christians but this generation as a whole)
I wish we could just abandon this stuff. Torture is both a cruel and inefficient method of getting honest confessions. Period. And no prisoner should be held accountable in court on a confession to terrorism (or anything else for that matter) made under torture. It's sad to see the world going backwards.
I wish we could just abandon this stuff. Torture is both a cruel and inefficient method of getting honest confessions. Period. And no prisoner should be held accountable in court on a confession to terrorism (or anything else for that matter) made under torture. It's sad to see the world going backwards.
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Huh? That makes absolutely no sense. Please post a link to this last test I took and clarify what you mean.
I believe the last test I took was a political test. Are you now saying that socialists are antichristian?
Guess what just me. The internet is not that place. I can tell you exactly what I think of you here. Get used to it or get off.
What does this have to do with "this generation as a whole"? Baby boomers are the ones in charge and they are the ones issuing the orders. Do you honestly think Generation X or Y has had much influence on whether or not the US used torture tactics?
I am quite used to it, though not in places I keep company with.
"Is it any wonder the way I feel toward Christianity?" unquote
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Fine. As you've provided no proof and no context there's no need to listen to what you have to say.
It's the way of science, which most atheists look to in place of a magic sky daddy that humans claim without proof. We want evidence provided with the statements that are made. It's why we don't agree that torture is a good method of obtaining proof. Psychopaths and Sociopaths engage in it because "It's fun", but people like you who think it's necessary occasionally to torture to get evidence, when there's no evidence beyond rhetoric that backs up the idea that Torture can ever give factual statements who are deemed to be idiots in our eyes. We see you guys as this because you don't have facts backing you up, and you don't provide them.
It's the way of science, which most atheists look to in place of a magic sky daddy that humans claim without proof. We want evidence provided with the statements that are made. It's why we don't agree that torture is a good method of obtaining proof. Psychopaths and Sociopaths engage in it because "It's fun", but people like you who think it's necessary occasionally to torture to get evidence, when there's no evidence beyond rhetoric that backs up the idea that Torture can ever give factual statements who are deemed to be idiots in our eyes. We see you guys as this because you don't have facts backing you up, and you don't provide them.