Is that a fact? He drew attention to an outright lie and manipulation presented as truth and fact.
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Is that a fact? He drew attention to an outright lie and manipulation presented as truth and fact.
wondering,
Ian
You insinuated it
I don't watch reality shows. I rot my brain through gaming as at least it's not about screwing the next piece of tail walking by.
And if you do legitimate research a smear campaign will make those trying to smear look like idiots and waste their time, effort, and money.
BMJ: British medical journal. It is peer reviewed by other people in the field of medicine. It passed then and then came under scrutiny now. As was stated in the article I posted that you have most likely abandoned as "propaganda" it states that there was significant bias in the test pool and preexisting conditions that pointed to autism PRIOR to immunization.
By synthetic in this case it is a less virulent form of the diseases and a live one at that. So if you would consider regressing to outbreaks of MM&R and the loss of time and possible deaths from complications as improving conditions of health; I will pass.
We get it you are a communist. fuck the government fuck the corporations. Loosen your tin foil hat
No I didn't, I wanted you to think about what might be shaping your views on this subject
Neither do I but i presume you are familiar with the format and have at least seen a little, considering they are one of the most significant things to have occured in public programming in recent years? I take it that most of the reality tv in the US is about people trying to pull?
Who funds the research?
I will read the article you have posted, but i am now trying to field posts that are directed at me.
Are the 'preexisting conditions that pointed to autism PRIOR to immunisation' mitochondrial disorders?
I made the point already that wakefield DID NOT SAY HE WAS AGAINST THE VACCINES he said he was AGAINST COMBINING THE VACCINES.
Other vaccines are a different issue and you yourself in a previous post stated your reservations about the flu vaccine did you not? These vaccines are all part of the same story, which is about the public NOT BEING TOLD THE FULL STORY
No you don't get it at all.....I am not a communist
It's simple. Don't make claims you cannot back up. Don't treat a pool of 12 as a reasonable test size(12 was the number of subjects he used I know not what is considered amicable size but it seems very narrow). And reproduce it and document the reproduction.
I tend to watch sports and comedy. Most everything else is trash.
NSF, DoD, NIH, DoEn, DoEd, Nat Petro Fund, Exxon, Sony, Panasonic, Howard Hughes Medical center... the list can go on and on and the constraints of funding depend on who is doing the funding.
They say:
My reservations were dealing with the expedience and possible loss of quality control. That said I also can't be bothered to be immunized for flu A when there are more strains of flu than you can shake a stick at. I also hate needles...
sorry Anarchocommunist
I think the final part of that youtube clip is particularly important where it says that the chief of the CDC, Julie Gerberding left her post in january 20th 2009 and after a legally mandated, one year period, took up her new position as Head of vaccines for Merck Pharmaceuticals, which is the corporation which made the combined MMR vaccine that injured Hannah Poling
Who is making claims they can't back up? Do you mean Dr Wakefield?
I think that the chief of the CDC admitting on live television that there is a link between the combined MMR vaccine and autism should go some way to vindicating the fears of Dr Wakefield.
Can you prove with 100% certainty that the combined MMR vaccine doesn't have a link to autism? Or are we all dealing with probabilities here? Because if we are dealing with probabilities then at what point does it become acceptable for a Doctor to voice their concerns publically?
Yeah lets not get into TV or the effects that has on society! One emotionally loaded conversation is enough for me just now.
Ok and who owns the shares of these corporations, who has affiliations politically, economically, ideologically, romantically with other people within these organisations? Who is employed by who, who is receiveing bribes from who, why is each piece of research being commissioned, why are other pieces of research not being commissioned, what information is shared, what information is concealed, how is the information presented, what are the stated aims of each corporation, what are the real aims of each corporation, how does different pieces of information impact on the profits of each corporation, who is carrying out the research etc etc etc
Right because it is impossible to vaccinate viruses into extinction, because they mutate right? There's new strains all the time?
So if that is the case are we really doing the right thing concerning cause and effect?
By this i mean should we play a constant game of cat and mouse with viruses which leads to side effects amongst the population or should we aim to improve the general health of the population....if we want best results? But where is the profit in improving the general wellbeing of the public right? Which corporation will benefit from that and fund politicians who will enact the policies needed to improve public health?
We had a debate about that before didn't we?
It's like chalk and cheese....totally different things!
Come on man! What are you trying to say here? That kids who got autism after getting a fever DIRECTLY after having a combined MMR vaccine weren't actually getting a fever due to the vaccine which they HAD JUST HAD but rather something else which just happened to happen DIRECTLY AFTER THE VACCINE and TO ALL THOSE KIDS WHO HAVE been shown to have autism and a mitochondrial disorder who all mysteriously got a fever DIRECTLY AFTER THEIR VACCINATION......do you know what the probability of that is.........its......
absolutely. He falsified data, and it CANNOT be reproduced. His shit stinks.
Here's what I said after the fact:
Furthermore MMR has been in circulation since the 70s and yet the autism rate data starts in the 90s thats a 20 year, generational lag. Where's that data? where are the 40 year old autistic adults? is the frequency there?
I cannot. I'm not a doctor of medicine. That said with what I said above there exists a disconnect in which data either doesn't exist because it hasn't been looked at or it just doesn't exist... find the 40 year olds with autism that have recorded MMR immunizations and a fever spike afterwards. Until then, it's a possibility.
i actually listed only two corperations for profit. A non-profit medical research and the rest or government agencies. Beyond that I can say government funding is peer reviewed by those in the field of research being proposed. Proposed research not being funded can range from gross errors in their proposed work to no meaningful for what is being asked for monetarily. information of this nature is generally presented in scientific, peer reviewed journals and the written documentation in the labs are kept with the professor. As for the corperations I don't know but you make it blatently clear you don't like them some I'm not going to bother. Loosen the tin foil hat man.
With rapidly dividing viruses... generally those with compromised systems benefit from immunizations. MMR doesn't change on the same scale as Influenza if at all. I don't know virology beyond that influenza is the rabbit of the virus world.
minimizes complications from viruses when you are immunized to them
only for fast mutating viruses slower or very stable ones as MMR are need at most 2 immunizations, one for 95% of the population to generate a immunity and the second to achieve >99%
And you were a proponent of anarchocommunism as it eliminates corperations which are the devil in your eyes.
Unlike various governmental bodies i will not tell you that i know it is impossible with 100% certainty.
We don't live our lives in certainties, we often live our lives in probabilities
When we cross the road we judge the probability that we will make it across the road without being struck by the slow moving car in the distance. We can be pretty sure about this....enough to step out
It seems to me that the probability of fever spikes being related to something else in all the documented cases is extremely unlikely
Big pharma and the corporations affiliated with it fund the research, so we get a biased picture.
The following documentary, if you're interested, takes a look at how drugs are an industry, guided by profit and how drugs are a marketable product:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=739609197405993027#
Well this went far into left field. I was saying that there should be those who triggered the same response from a fever from the flu as someone from MMR. But if you're going to be a fucking twit about it and think I'm an idiot so be it. It's not like you are going to listen because for all you know I AM the head of Merk's vaccination program! Calm the fuck down.
Where are all these cases documented? How many are there? Are the specific vaccines and the timing consistent?
Good....if you go back and read your post again you said 'Don't make claims you cannot back up. Don't treat....' which grammatically is unclear whether or not you were talking about wakefield or me, which is why i asked for clarification. If you were talking about Wakefield that is fine, i am familiar with his case which is why i have not stood by his method.
What i have stood by is his speaking out about his concerns, regardless of his motives. When the chief of the CDC admits there is a link it seems that the concerns he raised have some validity.
I don't know. I don't know if they are using the same shots. What i do know is that the chief of the CDC has admitted that there is a link between mitochondrial disorders and the combined MMR vaccine. Why the rise in autism? Why do kids seem to develop autism after the combined MMR jab? I don't know. Has there been a rise in kids with mitochondrial disorders? I don't know.
No neither can I! Is that research being done? Shouldn't it be done? Shouldn't that be a priority of the corporations who are selling us their product?
Don't they have a duty of care to know what their product is doing to us and to fund independant research covering every aspect?
Ok substitute the word 'corporation' for 'organisation'. It isn't just the corporations who are motivated by money.
Re-read my post, i didn't mention MMR here. I said 'viruses'. Viruses mutate and I am trying to make the point that one of the best defences against a virus is a healthy immune system.
I do not believe that the powers that be are motivated by a desire to give us healthy immune systems, i think they are motivated by profit....that doesn't make me a tinfoil hat wearer
I am not arguing for a blanket ban of vaccines.
I am arguing for greater education regarding this and a review of what vaccines/drugs are ESSENTIAL to us and which are motivated by PROFITEERING by big pharma. Also transparent and broader research into the side-effects of their products. That is an issue I am not qualified to make.
I think that the elevated position that corporations have in our society is a big problem yes
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I don't think you are an idiot. I think you fail to see what really makes the world go round.
You have called me a 'twit', a 'tin foil hat wearer' and a 'communist' and have tried to marshal my argument to make it look like i am arguing things that i am not. I have had to ask you to review my posts a number of times.
Perhaps you should 'calm down'
We should aim to improve the general health of the population, with the best results possible for that population, overall.
Experience has shown the best way to achieve that result (as it concerns various virii, and a given population) is through vaccine-based immunization of that population, even with the knowledge some individuals may be negatively affected by the process.
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