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    I don't see a Health section so posts this here.

    This article I found interesting.

    http://www.health-reports.com/autism.html

    Discuss the relevance of the article and whether its founded on misinformation or bears a grain of truth?

     
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    Old news about the vaccines, I'm Asperger's myself and don't believe the vaccine stuff. Also the last half of the page was basically one big advertisement.
     
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    OT Humans try to solve all our problems with broad strokes and fail to realize that the chemical balances and the exact pathways and efficiencies from person to person are not constant. There is a norm and most major public health works deal with these as they have the maximum impact for the energy put in. With that said the good in my eyes outweigh the bad that can be incurred and this is a possible outcome for some. But with that said I would rather die being proactive than by inactivity. I give exception to the flu as I have been able to keep myself well through some of the nastiest bouts. That and there so many variant it might as well be a die roll.
     
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    [mods]Moved to the Health and Wellness section.[/mods]
     
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    Oh there is a space for this oops, thanks for moving this to the appropriate section.
     
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    I don't know, that's why I started the thread to explore this. What is being said is that irrespective of whether there is mercury in the vaccines the contents may still overload the immune system to create problems for newly developing immunities. I do have my reservations about the efficacy of some vaccines and their safety standards when it comes to the kind of ingredients in them. And the wisdom to have so many early on in our developing lives.

    I would certainly question a lot of things especially the logic behind still including thimerosal in vaccines.

    The same way with dentistry and the silly idea of having mercury amalgam in peoples mouths until a few years back. If the place I worked at, a mailing center, regarded mercury as a toxic and hazardous substance in 3 of 9 of their broad toxicology of airport infrastructure. Then it certainly surprises me that dentistry put that stuff in peoples mouths and the medical establishments are saying that trace amounts are harmless. When the place I worked at spoke to a different tune.
     
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    What about Epigenetics?

    As defined in Wikipedia: In biology, epigenetics is the study of changes in phenotype (appearance) or gene expression caused by mechanisms other than changes in the underlying DNA sequence, hence the name epi- (Greek: ep?- over, above) -genetics. These changes may remain through cell divisions for the remainder of the cell's life and may also last for multiple generations. However, there is no change in the underlying DNA sequence of the organism; instead, non-genetic factors cause the organism's genes to behave (or "express themselves") differently.
     
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    That article helps establish a few things, websites and information can be manipulated and claims can be exaggerated when people are being irrational. This is very true of politics and government too. It is also true that ordinary people would do just about anything to fit into their story, intelligent design is a perfect example of that. Where religion wanted to create their own version and were in denial of the facts. This is very true of lawyers, statistics and medical records too. Medical facts can be manipulated to just as easily fit into their statistics.

    It is surprising that medicine that is meant to be helpful has so many side effects. And confuses me when I hear media reports that new vaccines cause hardships to some people and not to others. 1% they say. But then the same could be said about the way medical establishments learn some facts. They have learned that less than 1% of the population become gluten intolerant. And yet strangely supermarkets in my country find it viable to stock gluten free food. While my mother had to go to 10 Dr's. Then I find it enormously strange that there is a pattern with thyroid disorders and that if a person outside of the range is deemed healthy when clearly the same symptoms persist as a person with a thyroid problem this is true. And what I find stranger still is that there is a connection between all of this you know.

    For me this isn't just about asperger. Its about the whole autoimmune conditions that proliferate. More, its about the strange patterns and associations I find when dealing with the slew of mental health issues. I am good at seeing patterns and linking ideas together, my symbol thread can highlight that. You know just because something is said to exist for a 100 years or more makes it good science just like dental amalgams. If a scientific study happens to draw on bad data and thinks its accurate its like a placebo effect. You know there is a fine line between pseudo science, real science and junk science.

    What I'm saying is that discussion helps.
     
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    I have Asperger's and an autoimmune disorder, systemic lupus, and I had someone try to convince me that all I really needed to do was go completely organic and get rid of heavy metals in my system through chelation, so I don't really know about all this stuff. I think that vaccines can make Asperger's worse, but not necessarily cause it, even though some believe that it can be cure.

    Simply put, I think it's more complicated than people like to believe and that, until we know what we really should do, we shouldn't try medical treatments until we really know what we're talking about. Sorry if that's not the point of this, but this is kind of a sore point for me because of what was done to me.
     
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    I thought it was a great article SamE

    I share your concerns about vaccines. I have worked with people with autism and some of them had other autoimmune problems as well.

    There is no doubt in my mind that the rise in autoimmune problems is linked to the pharmaceutical industry

    Here is an interesting clip showing the chief of the CDC being interviewed in which she admits that children with an underlying mitochondrial disorder may have an adverse effect to the MMR vaccines.

    The application of multiple vaccines at once can cause fever which leads to autism in children with this underlying condition. It is not a rare condition.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh-nkD5LSIg"]YouTube - CDC Chief Admits that Vaccines Trigger Autism[/ame]

    A British doctor Dr Wakefield published the findings of a study he did in the 90's warning about the risks of combining vaccines and he was hammered by the press and struck of the medical register....he now practices in the US. Many people in the British public who believe the hate spewed by the press are critical of him, but he put his own career on the line to warn people.

    I think that the medicalising of emotional distress which we are seeing in our society is also a massive problem. It does of course mean massive profits for big pharma and may also represent a form of control as drugs are used as a chemical cosh on the population.

    People are distressed because there are problems in the world. Instead of solving the problems the government, who are funded by big pharma, allow the medicalisation of peoples distress and they drug them instead of solving the causes of the distress.....it's sickening.....i wish people would wake up to this....people are far too trusting of people in authority. What they fail to take into account is the levels of corruption that exist and the amount of pressure that is often exerted onto people in positions of public trust.

    It also seems that many drugs have side effects, some of which are chronic, and these in turn need to be treated with more drugs....which means more money for big pharma.

    There is not enough known about all this and people seem more concerned about what they put in their car than what they put into their own bodies or the bodies of their children.
     
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    Actually the one (of very very very few) studies that linked vaccination to autism has been very recently shown to be a complete an utter fraud. Not just bad science, but an out and out fraud.

    If you still believe that there is a link after this then... well let's just say I hope you aren't a scientist or work for the government.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40930256/ns/health-mental_health/
     
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    http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/06/autism.vaccines/index.html
    So that journal article you cite muir has been call fraudulent.

    Long story short take you vaccines. As you may know muir MMR cases spiked with the correlated drop in vaccinations for MMR in England.
     
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    I don't care whether you call his article fraudulent or not....this is how i see it:

    He drew public attention to the fact that there is a link between combined vaccines and autism. He said himself that he would give his own children the vaccines but seperately NOT together in one jab.

    Listen to the interview by the chief of the CDC, she admits about as openly as she is allowed to admit, that there is a link between combined vaccines and autism.

    Have you looked at the vaccines shedule for a newborn baby?

    If not please do.....they are literally bombarded.

    People home in on particular problems such as autism, but there are a multitude of autoimmune problems which may be linked to pharmaceuticals.

    How can these things be proved when the powers that be don't want any links proved? The CDC chief even says in her interview that she has not viewed the details of the high profile case of the child mentioned....how contemptuous is that, that she couldn't even look at it?

    Disgusting....but then she's paid to turn a blind eye

    If you want to talk about fraud then google the bribes paid to WHO representatives by big pharma to hype up public fears about a flu epidemic in order to boost sales of the flu vaccine
     
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    I have seen the child immunizations... It's all in my medical record.

    If you read the article I posted you would see WHY his data should be thrown out as fabrication.

    The BMJ is not an arm of CDC and if their reviews find fault with results they have the right to pull articles and the very one you speak of was, for fabrication of data.

    The fear mongering of the vaccinations has led to reemergence of some of these diseases which can cause harm not only to the individual child, but those around it.
     
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    Cut the shit. Simply put this is a big deal in the research community so we've read about it. Your insinuations that I'm just a PR speaker is deplorable.
     
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    I didn't call you a PR speaker I wanted to make the point to you that you are operating within a scientific culture which is shaped by economic and political forces.

    This is a bit of a strange analogy but....have you ever watched any reality TV? You might note how the picture which is built of a person often doesn't fit that described by people who know the person or who have been with them on the programme......that is because the way that reality is edited creates that reality.

    If the medical industry wants to paint a certain picture it will, regardless of what the truth is eg tabacco companies medical research denying links to cancer

    The BMC is not an arm of the CDC? The US and the UK are in lock step: ideologically, academically, medically, politically, economically, religiously every which way! They are working together at many different levels. Corporations and their influence is GLOBAL not local.

    You know full well it is IMPOSSIBLE to vaccinate viruses into extinction. So whats the answer? Pump people full of synthetic drugs or seek to improve the conditions and health of the public?

    Because at the moment it seems like the powers that be are opting to pump us all full of synthetic drugs whilst making us work longer hours for less pay and increasing the stress of the public (the media is full of stress inducing stories)....what does stress do....it runs down immune systems!
     
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    I do however understand your anger at my comment and will edit the post
     
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    10+ years of children dying unnecessarily because of his willingness to lie, mislead, and defraud.

    But at least the truth is out - there is no link of causation between MMR vaccines and autism spectrum disorders.

    I wonder if he thinks about all the children who died unnecessarily because of his malfeasance and the resulting fear-mongering, finger-pointing, and profits derived from others
     
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