Are all men created equal? When will they be treated equally?
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All people are fundamentally equal regardless of their differences. We would value liquid, frozen, or vaporized water differently depending on our need, but they are still of the same essence. The measures of mankind are ultimately artificial.
Your analogy falls apart due to the fact that water is easily transfered between states and some people are largely immutable. Not everyone is equal, some need more help than others.
That sounds like willful ignorance on your part. People change all the time. Do you mean to argue that you are as you were when you were just a toddler?
I think you may have a mistaken impression of some certain implications that you are indirectly arguing for. I too believe some people need more help than others at times. Whatever you mean to imply by this statement is not contradictory to anything I said or meant to imply. I'm wondering why you would think this is so.
I assumed we were talking about fully developed humans? I'm arguing that equality is not necessarily good. Not everyone is equal in that people have different incomparable strengths and weaknesses. Neither is better, neither is worse and neither is the other's equal. Treat people how they need to be treated, not equally.
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Regardless of whether we were talking about grown adults, your description would still be incorrect. Humans are not immutable. They aren't statues. The very use of that adjective to describe a person or people is ludicrously absurd. How, pray tell, are human beings in any way, shape, or form considered immutable?
You are also making a categorical mistake while speaking about 'equality'. I stated:
Value is subjective. Different things are valued differently depending on circumstances. These might be the attributes that we measure, but not the measurement itself.
The rest of your statement is pure nonsense. How are "strengths and weaknesses" neither better or worse? Those words, by definition, imply being better or worse. How do people need to be treated? Equally is not a manner of behavior. I think you mean to imply that it means identically, but it does not necessarily.
1 + 1 is equal to 2, but only 2 is identical with 2. Identity is singular, whereas equivalence is infinite.
I'm not sure what to make of your comments as they seem to be inconsistent and incoherent.
If I work, how shall I be spoken of as being equal to someone that watches TV all day long? If I produce, how can I be spoken of as being equal to those that produce nothing? If they take away from me and give to those watching the TV, does that make us equal? What will become of them should I just stop working? Equality cannot be obtained this way.
If I think, how shall I be spoken of as being equal to those watching TV all day? If I think for them, they will still take from me to give to them. Can we obtain equality this way?
If I can survive, are there not those that could not survive without others? If I love a woman with all my heart, and she hates someone more than she loves me, is this love equal?
We see the statue with a blindfold on the eyes, holding a set of scales to measure things with. A pound of gold is not equal to a pound of wheat. A pound of water is not equal to a pound of oil. Yet, the scales say they are the same; but only the same weight.
Society and government will not allow all to be equal, though they speak words of equality. Teaching people together and expecting the same results is nonsense. Our individuality make us who we are.
What about similarities? If we are similar, are we equal? I hint again to the fire within each of us: our light. "I would that thou were hot or cold; but because thou art lukewarm, I will spew thee from my mouth."
If we have no light, we live in darkness. We can hope to find someone to share their light with us.
If I think, how shall I be spoken of as being equal to those watching TV all day? If I think for them, they will still take from me to give to them. Can we obtain equality this way?
If I can survive, are there not those that could not survive without others? If I love a woman with all my heart, and she hates someone more than she loves me, is this love equal?
We see the statue with a blindfold on the eyes, holding a set of scales to measure things with. A pound of gold is not equal to a pound of wheat. A pound of water is not equal to a pound of oil. Yet, the scales say they are the same; but only the same weight.
Society and government will not allow all to be equal, though they speak words of equality. Teaching people together and expecting the same results is nonsense. Our individuality make us who we are.
What about similarities? If we are similar, are we equal? I hint again to the fire within each of us: our light. "I would that thou were hot or cold; but because thou art lukewarm, I will spew thee from my mouth."
If we have no light, we live in darkness. We can hope to find someone to share their light with us.
I find it funny how in one thread you present yourself as self-sacrificing, but in another you are self-aggrandizing.
Ephesians 2:8-9
Oh ye of little faith.
No doubt. Not to mention whatever should even be considered worthwhile work. It seems to me, by his reasoning, reading the Bible itself is worthless because it's too similar to watching TV by producing nothing. That doesn't seem very Christian-like.
...and you, sir, are like it seems everyone I come in contact with. I haven't the time to waste trying to defend someone's arrogance and misunderstanding. Try reading this thread and comparing it with the government's mindset once.
That's a funny way of admitting you were wrong regarding your own Christian values:
I apologize for calling you out on it, o ye of little faith.
I don't know what your problem is, but get back to me when you have it worked out.
Or that everyone has problems - and cultural taboos/customs don't require that people keep their problems to themselves . (Just playing devil's advocate).
** This thread is soooo mind numbing. ***
How about some comment on the role that customs/laws/mores balance individual good with collective good; and how this influences issues of equality/inequality?
I was talking about someone in particular.
If you feel a comment needs to be made, please make it.