Youth Going Through Gender Transition Are More At Risk Of Psychiatric Issues

[Misty]

100% correct.Observing the current dynamics, I am genuinely stunned. Human interactions are essentially bidirectional vectors: if one side provides a '1' (intellectual honesty) and the other side provides a '0' (prejudice), the system simply cannot converge. There is a demand for openness, yet what is being manifested is a form of axiomatic closure.
I find it deeply paradoxical when subjective concepts,whether political or religious,are used to attempt to refute objective entities, such as clinical and psychiatric data. Politics and faith are fundamental human dimensions, but they hold no jurisdiction over the empirical nature of data.
To assert that only one viewpoint is valid by retreating behind dogmatic labels is the very antithesis of critical thinking. Data has no color; it is fact. Everything else is just background noise.

Edit: It is the paradox of labeling someone a fascist while simultaneously mirroring the very same behavior.




-Giammarco

Yup

 

[aeon]

It's so unfortunate to see that the people who claim to be the most tolerant have zero tolerance or respect for other people's faith.

I don’t make that claim, but regardless, tolerance, because what you believe, or not, is none of my business. Inasmuch as that is true, no respect or disrespect given, apart from respecting your right to think and believe what you like.

Cheers,
Ian

 

[Fruiteloop]

The subjective side of ones experience is what I've been arguing for.

Harm is bad but how we alleviate harm is based on where harm comes from.

So it matters we know what the real problem is.

I'd rather just let people do what they think is best for themselves.

Social out casting has effected many people in many ways.

 

[Fruiteloop]

My view on bible interpretation does not exclude males and females existing.

Its the way they exist that is troubling to understand, why would God allow dysphoria?

That is the only confusing part I see with this topic and what others seem not to address.

Like anything else you see in the bible, interpretation does not make it wrong or right for others to see it differently than I do.

Its what I came to see as something agreed upon by most religious people I know. (Imperfections exist)

The nature of or cause of dysphoria is difficult to understand without looking at how its viewed in both secular and religious circles.

The secular and religious will almost always see the nature of dysphoria in different terms of a cause. Which is hard to get around.

 

[TomasM]

Its the way they exist that is troubling to understand, why would God allow dysphoria?

My response here is not related to the topic but instead restricted to a single part of a single post.

Pain is fundamental to the growth of the soul. If God wanted to grow the capacity of a soul then it would need to have adversity because without it there is no growth. The same can be said for why God is not here with us - being here would consume everyone's attention and the result would be little to no engagement. This place (Earth) is the ideal place for growth. People have to work together to overcome and achieve. Without pain there would be no pleasure. Without hatred there would be no love. Without death there would not be a value to life. Many INFJ's -and other people- already understand this concept and probably resent it several times a week, but.. we persist.

Why do certain ailments exist in some and not others - I don't know but I like to think that we had some choice in the matter. Like our soul knew it's limitations and wanted to grow and saw that as an area of improvement in some way. I have a friend in psychiatry that always said she was going to ask God whey he created mosquitos -one of the most deadly animals on the planet. I laughed and said, "good question."

This is simply how I choose to look at these things because the alternative is simply to wallow in misery about it.

 

[Akar]

My response here is not related to the topic but instead restricted to a single part of a single post.

Pain is fundamental to the growth of the soul. If God wanted to grow the capacity of a soul then it would need to have adversity because without it there is no growth. The same can be said for why God is not here with us - being here would consume everyone's attention and the result would be little to no engagement. This place (Earth) is the ideal place for growth. People have to work together to overcome and achieve. Without pain there would be no pleasure. Without hatred there would be no love. Without death there would not be a value to life. Many INFJ's -and other people- already understand this concept and probably resent it several times a week, but.. we persist.

Why do certain ailments exist in some and not others - I don't know but I like to think that we had some choice in the matter. Like our soul knew it's limitations and wanted to grow and saw that as an area of improvement in some way. I have a friend in psychiatry that always said she was going to ask God whey he created mosquitos -one of the most deadly animals on the planet. I laughed and said, "good question."

This is simply how I choose to look at these things because the alternative is simply to wallow in misery about it.

The "Roman Logos" – Between Doctrine, Science, and Acceptance


In the debate between theology and clinical science, the position of the Roman Catholic Church stands in stark contrast to textual fundamentalism. It rests on three documented pillars: respect for the individual, the evolution of pastoral care, and the primacy of Reason (Logos) operating alongside Faith.


1. On the Individual: The Mandate of Respect and Compassion


Unlike factions that weaponize sacred texts to ostracize individuals, Catholic doctrine clearly separates the ontological dignity of the person from the judgment of an act.


• Official Source: Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), Typical Edition, Paragraph 2358.


• Text/Data: The document mandates that men and women with deep-seated homosexual tendencies "must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided." The person precedes the orientation.


2. On Pastoral Care (The "Holistic" Approach)


Catholicism is not a tribunal but, as defined by the current pontificate, a "field hospital." This acknowledges human complexity, providing support where rigid dogma would fail.


• Official Source: Declaration "Fiducia Supplicans" on the Pastoral Meaning of Blessings (Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, December 18, 2023).


• Text/Data: This document formally authorizes priests to impart blessings to same-sex couples (outside of liturgical rites). It is an official recognition that human closeness and acceptance are not a betrayal of faith, but its practical application in an imperfect world. This echoes Pope Francis's famous 2013 statement: "If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge?"


3. On Science and Data (Faith vs. Psychiatry)


The reason a Catholic does not conflate "God" with "the cause of dysphoria or psychiatric issues" (the core error of your evangelical interlocutor) is that the Church established centuries ago that Science and Empirical Data are not the enemies of God, but tools to understand reality.


• Official Source: Fides et Ratio (Encyclical Letter of Pope John Paul II on the Relationship between Faith and Reason, 1998).


• Text/Data: In its very opening, the document states: "Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth." Rejecting clinical data, empirical evidence, or psychiatry to hide behind literalist fanaticism (the "fideism" condemned by the document itself) is considered a fundamental theological error.

Coming from a Roman Catholic background, I finally understand the cultural dissonance at play here, and the exact nature of this friction between gender and religion.

-Giammarco

 

[Wyote]

"Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth."

Have always loved this quote/notion/precept

 

[Fruiteloop]

Metaphysics is something hard to study since we know more in science but still those questions arise we cannot answer with science.

Both were invented because we had no terms to discus reality with. The mind needed tools.

We can look we can examine but also think, empiricism and rationalism has not been resolved.

Many philosophical schools of what exists and why has not been resolved.

To reason about such things must have more understanding of reality where words can fail us.

 

[Akar]

Metaphysics is something hard to study since we know more in science but still those questions arise we cannot answer with science.

Both were invented because we had no terms to discus reality with. The mind needed tools.

We can look we can examine but also think, empiricism and rationalism has not been resolved.

Many philosophical schools of what exists and why has not been resolved.

To reason about such things must have more understanding of reality where words can fail us.

You make a very fair philosophical point here. It is absolutely true that metaphysics deals with questions science cannot fully answer, and that the historical debate between empiricism and rationalism remains unresolved. I completely agree with you that in the realm of the abstract, 'words can fail us.'
However, this brings us to a crucial logical convergence.
Precisely because metaphysics is unresolved, abstract, and speculative, would you agree that we cannot responsibly use it as the foundation for concrete, clinical psychiatric protocols?
When treating real-world psychological distress (like dysphoria), medical science must strictly rely on the empirical data we do have, rather than the metaphysical questions we cannot resolve. If we acknowledge that metaphysical questions are unresolved, logic dictates we must keep them out of the diagnostic framework to prevent harm.
Would you agree with this boundary?

-Giammarco