Just like that: what does spirituality mean to you? How do you relate to it, if at all?
What is "spirituality"?
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For lack of wording. ^
I believe Spirituality is most often different for each person.
Independent assessment of a connection with a 'higher power' other than our self, or not.
It is freedom of choice as to what we finitely believe while chasing the infinite.
For me, I had really struggled with this sense of the dilemma of being alive.
It's very tempting to try to settle the anxiety that results from consciousness with relationships, drugs, lots of things that bring a sense of purpose. And they can help, but eventually the senseless of being alive forces you to come to some philosophical decisions.
Spirituality in this sense is a belief system unique to each person to reconcile things like death and loss, violence and unnecessary destruction, and to a degree, purpose.
I found the whole concept abstract until I took psychedelics, particularly DMT. After that, I felt I understood something deeper than surface level reality and I can access that when I am in a difficult situation that warrants it. The deeper meaning being the idea that life and death is not a one and done and that in reality we are all the same thing, separateness isn't real. Again these things are not really accessible unless under the influence or through meditation.
Is it real?
Who knows.
I don't think it matters. Whatever helps you function in the world.
It's very tempting to try to settle the anxiety that results from consciousness with relationships, drugs, lots of things that bring a sense of purpose. And they can help, but eventually the senseless of being alive forces you to come to some philosophical decisions.
Spirituality in this sense is a belief system unique to each person to reconcile things like death and loss, violence and unnecessary destruction, and to a degree, purpose.
I found the whole concept abstract until I took psychedelics, particularly DMT. After that, I felt I understood something deeper than surface level reality and I can access that when I am in a difficult situation that warrants it. The deeper meaning being the idea that life and death is not a one and done and that in reality we are all the same thing, separateness isn't real. Again these things are not really accessible unless under the influence or through meditation.
Is it real?
Who knows.
I don't think it matters. Whatever helps you function in the world.
For me it’s being one with everything. A piece of metal or a flower petal. Appreciating every molecule that comes across my path.
And respecting every life force that is next to me, especially the defenseless.
And respecting every life force that is next to me, especially the defenseless.
Our relationship with and to the divine, however you perceive that.
Not sure I really understand the question. Are you asking if we are born, live a single life and when we die then that's it? This is just me talking. Not trying to convince anyone what to believe. Its each persons own journey and for them to come to their own conclusions. Having said that I have personally witnessed two events that led me to 100% wholly believe in life after death. So, If there is an afterlife it makes sense that reincarnation is part of the equation. Based on that alone that would lead to the understanding we were created and this existence is intentionally structured and organized. It seems clear and mathematically impossible that this whole existence is just a series for random events that just happened to fall in line. There are many examples of patterns in nature, math, astronomy and sound frequencies to name a few that it seems prove an embedded fingerprint of an underlying grand design. Who made the formula? It didn't write itself
You answered the second part of it! =)
I wonder what "spirituality" is. What's your 'dictionary' definition of it? -That's what the first part hopes for.
Thanks for the contributions everyone! I'm not trying to comment or like too much in this thread -rather not influence it. But I am checking out to every new response as they come up. Thanks for humoring me everyone...and helping with a bit of research! =)
I feel like Spirituality is a belief in a Higher Consciousness that ultimately bears witness to (Not necessarily governs) this existence.
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I wouldn't say that reality on our side is open ended that what happens is allowed by chance as if one spends a couple of years on this will find that for most life is setup as narratives with some degree of flexibility. The more people who are impacted in anyway the more controlled the said narrative and when it affects large groups of people very little is left open to chance. The totality of all the above is summed up as a reality or a timeline like what many would think of a universe but while only being like a sub domain on a server ect with many realities working in parallel yet can be so interconnected.
You mean like choosing to reincarnate and the life lesson specifically to experience and learn in this lifetime? Yes I feel like that is how it happens in some way. It seems that the lesson is very challenging on your soul also. To experience this lesson and allow it to happen and feel the emptions associated with it while maintaining a state of unconditional love. That is hard. It seems that at minimum you would need to have already pre incarnation developed to a point of being aware in a rather large capacity in order to have a chance.
Multiple timelines existing simultaneously on parallel plains could very well be the case. I don't personally know but I don't think this is all random chance. Its a trip man and a fascinating subject to ponder.
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Are you referring to our ability to have Free Will? To experience this life and lessons without interference from a higher level?
The overall vibration of the combined population? example: If the vast majority of the planet felt and lived in a state of Peace that there would be no Wars?
I'll say it gets complicated fast lol and it can be heavy on the mind so yea. As for incarnating to a world like this there has to be some prior development somewhere else or they won't last at all as this world is about as rough as it gets in a lot of ways be the emotionally charged events down to the day to day as most souls live in easier conditions elsewhere with some exceptions. I do know this world is meant to rehab souls though originally only for a couple of incarnations before moving on however things got messed up some have been here for longer than was intended by country miles. Chase the rabbit down the hole so to speak and one finds things that would make anyone speechless had they seen for themselves.
Anyway what I am trying to learn is how this all ties back that it all layers on personalities like layers of paint or tree rings ect going back to when such first came into existence while trying to build some sort of history of past events.
LoL The Rabbit hole is vast my friend. So much deeper than whatever subject peaked your initial curiosity enough to start digging. I agree the layers are many and another thing that blows my mind is when you start seeing how all these things connect and work in unison.
It is all complicated yet simple that even a child could understand, the issue is the facets in trying to understand while the totality isn't available to the human mind. Some worlds are more troubled than others and when a world like ours has so many from so many places with complex karma ect the whole experience becomes more of a experiment than anything. As for having the same vibe is something common place as it results in there being some sort of stability but also comes with some downsides where dystopian issues can settle in. It does conform personalities to something that would be common to such like a love and light where love is unconditional ect. At worst it can end up being like something out of Star Wars, The Matrix, and THX1138 all merged into one. Early on love and light worlds were much more common than they are now and with there being some form of unrealized memory a lot of fantasy is based off those realities. Further on came the wars (long story) and then we get to where we are now where the dust is settling. We're basically one of the last shitholes left where all the bad things are still the norm though some others are not nice either.
Just wait till you start figuring how old some of these souls could be lol, the younger ones struggle with physicality and the sensual part of being human while most just carry a lot of baggage. I will say that a lot are aging out in that deeper sense given the direction it all has taken so off to new adventures elsewhere when the time comes around.
Have you read about the Nine Veils placed on Every human Soul?
Somewhere maybe but its been a long time, the veils are strongly place so little of this leaks in beyond just dreams and sometimes comes over in other ways. Those who are more aware can tinker around and play a little but that is usually it. I believe it is possible to change over from one timeline to another however the vibe will never feel right like a constant state deja vu.
This is just information. Not necessarily my Code of Arms so to speak. Just something to consider and see how it fits into your own beliefs.
Nearly a decade ago, a dear friend and colleague of mine named Don Harkins authored a wonderfully thought-provoking piece entitled “Slavery and the Eight Veils”. Prior to Harkins’ untimely death, we discussed this “Eight-veils theory” for literally hours together – and in the end, Don asked me to write a piece about this for his newspaper, “The Idaho Observer.” He did this, because I had shared much of my research with Don, and we together came to the conclusion that in reality, there were actually NINE veils placed on the human soul (i.e. intelligence), and that spiritual progression and thus a full knowledge of TRUTH would require the piercing of these Nine Veils.
I joked with Don that this topic would take an entire edition of The Idaho Observer, and then it would only scratch the surface. That was one of Don’s editorial talents – taking a complex story and compressing it to a more readable format. In memory of Don Harkins, here is the writing we discussed, in as compressed a format as possible.
WHY NINE VEILS INSTEAD OF EIGHT
Any dedicated seeker of truth eventually stumbles upon the incredible symmetry and structure of mathematics, which is especially true in fractal geometry involving the integers 1-9. For a most basic example, just take a look at these nine equations:
(1 x 8) + 1= 9
(12 x 8) + 2 = 98
(123 x 8) + 3 = 987
(1234 x 8) + 4 = 9876
(12345 x 8) + 5 = 98765
(123456 x 8) + 6 = 987654
(1234567 x 8) + 7 = 9876543
(12345678 x 8) + 8 = 98765432
(123456789 x 8) + 9 = 987654321
Amazing, isn’t it? I find it very interesting, furthermore, that all of the great philosophers in history such as Archimedes,Copernicus,
Socrates,and DaVinciall were mathematicians first and foremost. I submit that everything from biblical prophecy to DNA strands are built and based on quite simple mathematical formulas and patterns – but I am getting ahead of the story, for understanding the role of mathematics is in itself one of the nine hidden veils.
Consider also the so-called “mystery schools” of antiquity. In shadowy temples in Sumer and Babylon – the Kabbalah showed the way to the ultimate “Holy of Holies” – the re-veil-a-tions (revelation, i.e. the parting of the veils) of life, the creation, of God and when embraced in honor and truth, the very Origins of Man. This involved systematically piercing and embracing 9 levels of understanding or “Truth Plateaus” before finally entering “Nirvana” (or the ultimate unity with God) as depicted in modern “tracing boards”.
Like a giant Sudoku Puzzle board, the human experience we call life truly revolves around the numbers 1 – 9 in so many remarkable ways. Everything has a place in the system, and everything fits neatly and precisely in the eternal grid of time and space. This then, is but one definition of Truth – hidden, arcane knowledge that fits completely in the mathematical grid called logic. Yeshua (aka Jesus of Nazareth) declared this to His disciples: “Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free.”
WHY CAN’T PEOPLE SEE THE TRUTH?
This question is best answered by Don Harkins’ wise words written in 2001:
“Over the last several years I have evolved and discarded several theories in an attempt to explain why it is that most people cannot see truth — even when it smacks them in the face. Those of us who can see “the conspiracy” have participated in countless conversations amongst ourselves that address the frustration of most peoples´ inability to comprehend the extremely well-documented arguments which we use to describe the process of our collective enslavement and exploitation. The most common explanation to be arrived at is that most people just “don´t want to see” what is really going on.
Extremely evil men and women who make up the world´s power-elite have cleverly cultivated a virtual pasture so grass green that few people seldom, if ever, bother to look up from where they are grazing long enough to notice the brightly colored tags stapled to their ears.
The same people who cannot see their enslavement for the pasture grass have a tendency to view as insane “conspiracy theorists” those of us who can see the past the farm and into the parlor of his feudal lordship´s castle.
Finally, I understand why.
It´s not that those who don´t see that their freedom is vanishing under the leadership of the power-elite “don´t want to see it” — they simply can´t see what is happening to them because of the unpierced veils that block their view.
All human endeavors are a filtration process. Sports are one of the best examples. We play specific sports until we get kicked off the playground. The pro athletes we pay big bucks to watch just never got kicked off the playground. Where millions of kids play little league each spring, they are filtered out until there are about 50 guys who go to the World Series in October.
Behind the first veil: There are over 7 billion people on the planet. Most of them live and die without having seriously contemplated anything other than what it takes to keep their lives together. Ninety percent of all humanity will live and die without having pierced the first veil.”
Indeed it can be said that less than 1% of the world’s 7 billion humans ever pierce all nine veils, and it would appear that even this small minority is ever-shrinking. In order to keep the “virtual pasture” green, the global elite also successfully bribe many who have pierced multiple veils, in order to misdirect others who may be approaching truth in many areas. I call this simply intellectual prostitution – selling the birthright of Universal Truth for a worthless mess of pottage. The gilded glitz of wealth, fame and social elevation have seduced many a gifted intellectual.
With full credit given to Don Harkins, here now are the newly updated “Nine Veils”.
The first veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the first veil and find the world of politics. We will vote, become active and develop an opinion. Our opinions will be shaped by the physical world around us; we will have been “conditioned” from our days in public education to accept that government officials, network media personalities and other “experts” are the primary voices of authority. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the third veil.
The second veil: Ten percent of us will also pierce the second veil to explore the world of history, the relationship between man and government and the meaning of self-government through constitutional and common law. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the third veil.
The third veil: Ten percent of those who pierce the second veil, will eventually pierce the third veil to conclusively find that the resources of the world, including people, are controlled by extremely wealthy and powerful families whose incorporated old world assets have, with modern extortion strategies, become the foundation upon which the entire world´s economy is currently indebted. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fourth veil.
The fourth veil: Ten percent will then pierce the fourth veil to discover the Illuminati, Freemasonry, and the other secret societies. These societies use symbols and perform ceremonies that perpetuate the generational transfers of arcane knowledge that is used to keep the ordinary people in political, economic and spiritual bondage to the oldest bloodlines on earth. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fifth veil.
The fifth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the fifth veil to learn that the secret societies are so far advanced technologically that time travel and interstellar communications have no boundaries and controlling the very thoughts and even the very actions of people is what their members do as offhandedly as we tell our children when they must go to bed. As in the days of Noah, this technology is even creating synthetic life forms, as man seeks to displace God. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the sixth veil.
The sixth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the sixth veil where we learn the dragons and lizards and aliens we thought were the fictional monsters of childhood literature are real indeed and are in reality the actual controlling forces behind the secret societies uncovered in the fourth veil. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the seventh veil.
The seventh veil: Ten Percent will progress to pierce the 7th veil where the incredible world of fractal geometry and the universal law of numbers will be fully understood and embraced. The creative force of the entire universe will be shown to be linked to numerical code formulas and sequences, and all “mysteries” including the very fabric of time, space, parallel universes, and access therein is unlocked. Those whose intellects allow them to pierce the seventh veil often succumb to the lure and promise of massive wealth offered by the ruling elite, and thus over ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the eighth veil.
The eighth veil: Piercing the eighth veil reveals God and the pure energy known as LOVE that is the pure life force in all living things – which are one and the same. Deep-seated Humility is needed in order to ever pierce this veil.
The ninth veil: Piercing the ninth veil means perfecting the pure energy known as love and thereby becoming truly one with God and His/Her formulations. By perfecting this pure energy, one then fully embraces charity and therein gains full understanding of the universal plan of sacrifice, death, and redemption; life itself then becomes complete and one truly comes full circle and looks at the world through the eyes of an innocent child, yet with the deepest wisdom born of pure LOVE from the eighth veil.
Consider this: If this theory is correct, there are only about 60,000 people on the planet who have successfully pierced the sixth veil. The irony here is too incredible: Those who are stuck behind veils one through five have little choice but to view the people who have pierced the veils beyond them as dangerously insane. With each veil pierced, exponentially shrinking numbers of increasingly enlightened people are deemed insane by exponentially increasing masses of decreasingly enlightened people.
Adding to the irony, the harder a “sixth or better veiler” tries to explain what he is able to see to those who can’t, the more insane he appears to them. This truth is self-evident. Moreover, institutions such as the venerable “Southern Poverty Law Center” are formed and financed by the ruling elite to effectively label many such awakened individuals “hate-mongers” and “terrorists”.
OUR ENEMY, THE STATE
Behind the first two veils we find the great majority of people on the planet. They are tools of the state: Second veilers are the gullible voters whose ignorance justify the actions of politicians who send untold millions of first veilers off to die in foreign lands as cannon fodder — their combined stations in life are simply to believe that the self-serving machinations of the power-elite are matters of national security and are worth dying for.
Third, fourth, fifth and sixth veilers are of increasing liability to the state because of their decreasing ability to be used as tools to consolidate power and wealth of the many into the hands of the power-elite few. It is common also, for these people to sacrifice more of their relationships with friends and family, their professional careers and personal freedom with each veil they pierce.
Albert Jay Nock (1870-1945), author of “Our Enemy, The State”(1935), explained what happens to those who find and embrace the final two veils: “What was the best that the state could find to do with an actual Socrates and an actual Jesus when it had them? Merely to poison one and crucify the other, for no reason but that they were too intolerably embarrassing to be allowed to live any longer.”
Conclusions
As Don Harkins has written: “And so now we know that it´s not that our countrymen are so committed to their lives that, “they don´t want to see” the mechanisms of their enslavement and exploitation. They simply “can´t see” it as surely as I cannot see what´s on the other side of a closed curtain.”
The purpose of this essay is threefold:
1. To help the handful of people in the latter veils to understand why the masses have little choice but to interpret their clarity as insanity;
2. To help people behind the first two veils understand that living, breathing and thinking are just the beginning and;
3. Show people that the greatest adventure of our life is behind the next veil because that is just one less veil between ourselves and God A.K.A. ‘The Highest Vibration”
Got to love how it all this world just one big illusion but regardless one way or another we're all along for the ride to death do us part. I do have hope that after it all that I and others end up somewhere truly nice one all is done. As for the second veil and the ideologues what a lol.
Consider the volume of distractions placed in peoples lives. Cell phones, games, etc. So many things to control their attention away from the big picture and development.