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Most convicts are liberal. I am fine with them not being able to vote.

The cost ought to deter you.

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Your prison population is enormous. The US has the biggest gulag in the entire world. Why are not the cost of dealing with exoneration an affront to the US tax payer?

Just saying.

"Today we have the highest rate of incarceration in the world. The prison population has increased from 300,000 people in the early 1970s to 2.3 million people today. There are nearly six million people on probation or on parole. One in every fifteen people born in the United States in 2001 is expected to go to jail or prison; one in every three black male babies born in this century is expected to be incarcerated."

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"More than 2.3 million people are held in thousands of state and federal prisons, jails, and juvenile correctional facilities, as well as military prisons, immigration detention facilities, civil commitment centers, and prisons in the US territories. In a country that locks up more people, per capita, than any other in the world, many systemic abuses of citizens exist. Wrongly convicted men and women are inevitably caught in the dragnet. An exoneration happens, on average, every three days in America, a record high. While it is impossible to know how many innocents are languishing behind bars, according to the Innocence Project, studies estimate that between 2.3 percent and 5 percent of all prisoners in the United States did not commit the crimes of which they have been accused -- tens of thousands of people"

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/39149-what-happens-to-innocent-people-when-they-are-freed
 
Here is proof of your excess prison population both in an international comparison and a timeline.

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Would be a long discussion I am not prepared to have. Our legal system leaves a lot to be desired as a minimum.
 
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Would be a long discussion I am not prepared to have. Our legal system leaves a lot to be desired as a minimum.

That would another thread, if so.

I just want to say that there are plenty of corporate Reps and Dems who want to keep the prison population huge to feed the prison-industrial complex. You could have people who are active in the work force and paying taxes instead if you want to.

And "liberal cry babies" have a Republican equivalent: those who are targeted with scary stories of crime in the media.
 
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F---!! I forgot to say that by keeping ex-convicts off the voter registration rolls, you control who is voting which in turn can skew election results. You have such small margins in the US.
 
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These articles are technical and boring :m050:

Bush 2000 win
http://projectcensored.org/3-another-year-of-distorted-election-coverage/

Bush 2004 win
http://projectcensored.org/voter-fraud-august-2005/

"Conflicts of interest exist between the largest suppliers of electronic voting machines in the United States and key leaders of the Republican Party"
http://projectcensored.org/6-the-sale-of-electoral-politics/

Votes not registered by electronic voting machines, Obama 2008 win
http://projectcensored.org/election...isappearing-democracy-and-media-misdirection/

Voting Status of Convicted Felons May Determine Outcome of 2012 Election
http://projectcensored.org/voting-status-of-convicted-felons-may-determine-outcome-of-2012-election/

Hillary Clinton 2016 Dem primaries win
http://projectcensored.org/clintonistasdnc-illegally-stole-democratic-primaries-bernie-sanders/


This article is colorful :m149:

Number of People by State Who Cannot Vote Due to a Felony Conviction
http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000287
 
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Republican Data-Mining Firm Exposed Personal Information for Virtually Every American Voter

The GOP’s 2016 presidential upset wasn’t surprising just because it put Donald Trump in the White House; it also proved the party had vastly improved its ability to exploit data, including precision ad targeting campaigns on Facebook. Now comes the fallout of all that information hoarding: A California-based security researcher says Republican-linked election databases were inadvertently exposed to the entire internet, sans password, potentially violating the privacy of almost every single registered voter in the United States.

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https://theintercept.com/2017/06/19...formation-for-virtually-every-american-voter/


The secrets of the Super PACs are leaking. :smiley:
 
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The Daily Signal
Up to 5.7 Million Noncitizens Voted in Past Presidential Elections, Study Finds
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A sign points voters to an Auburn, Kansas, polling site on Nov. 8, 2016. (Photo: Mark Reinstein/ZUMA Press/Newscom)

As many as 5.7 million noncitizens voted in the 2008 election and potentially more voted in 2016, according to a new study by Just Facts, a New Jersey-based research group, drawing on information from other studies.

The study—based on data compiled from Harvard University’s Cooperative Congressional Election Study, an analysis published in the journal Electoral Studies co-authored by Old Dominion University faculty, and Census data—also provides some support for what then-President-elect Donald Trump tweeted in late November, when he asserted he won the popular vote if the fraudulent votes were deducted. The Just Facts study did not look specifically at 2016.

In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 27, 2016

The study by Just Facts, which identifies its point of view as conservative/libertarian, but says it maintains independent inquiry, determined as few as 594,000 and as many as 5.7 million noncitizens voted in 2008, in the race between Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain. Eighty-two percent of noncitizens who admitted to voting in a survey said “I definitely voted” for Obama.

An estimate from 2012, which the study finds to have less complete data, is between 1 million and 3.6 million noncitizens registered to vote or voted, including both the “self declared” and the “database-matched” populations.

Democrat Hillary Clinton won the popular vote over Trump by about 2.9 million votes in 2016.

Previously, an Old Dominion University professor’s analysis found that, extrapolating on a more extensive 2014 study, an estimated 800,000 noncitizens voted in the 2016 election—falling well short of enough to affect the popular vote.

James Agresti, president of Just Facts, was cautious about stating whether this would have changed the result of the popular vote in the 2016 election. He concluded it is likely the number of noncitizen voters in the most recent presidential election was higher than eight years ago.

When asked if noncitizen voters changed the popular vote outcome in 2016, he said, “There is a distinct possibility.”

“The 3 million vote margin would be smack in the middle,” Agresti told The Daily Signal. “I don’t want to say it would. There are a lot of uncertainties. It’s possible.”

There are two ways of looking at the noncitizen voting figures for 2012, Agresti said. Based on the Harvard and Census data, between 1 million and 2.6 million noncitizens voted under “self-declared.” However, there are between 1.2 million and 3.6 million “database-matched” noncitizens who voted that year. So the full range is 1 million to 3.6 million. Because of the overlapping information, Agresti is particularly cautious about drawing conclusions here.

“Just Facts does not have all the data needed to calculate inclusive figures for the 2012 election, so these figures are undercounts,” Agresti said.

Hans von Spakovsky, a senior legal fellow at The Heritage Foundation who has written extensively about voter fraud, was not very familiar with Just Facts, but he said if the findings were true, it lends more evidence to a growing problem.

“This is just another indication of how serious the problem may be and why it is even more important to investigate the possibility of noncitizens voting,” von Spakovsky told The Daily Signal.

In May, Trump named Vice President Mike Pence to chair the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity.

The difference between the Just Facts finding and the estimate from Old Dominion University research is likely because of a different methodology, said Jesse Richman, an associate professor of political science at Old Dominion University, who did the aforementioned study that arrived at 800,000 noncitizen votes in the 2016 election.

“My impression is that the differences arise principally from the different assumptions we made about how to treat individuals for whom there was some ambiguity about whether they voted or not, e.g. individuals who said they didn’t vote but had a validated vote, etc.,” Richman told The Daily Signal in an email. “There are a variety of assumptioans one could make about how to treat those individuals, and my general impression is that this is the main thing driving the differences between our results.”

Richman’s figure was based on the 2014 study he co-authored that looked at noncitizen voting in the 2008 and 2010 elections. Richman applied the methodology from the study of those years to arrive at an estimated 800,000 noncitizen voters in 2016.

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Tags: elections
The Daily Signal
 
The study—based on data compiled from Harvard University’s Cooperative Congressional Election Study,
I like how this link does not link to the study, but to "just facts" website info about the study
 
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I like how this link does not link to the study, but to "just facts" website info about the study
Yeah...I read their Just facts "study" of cherry picked facts sprinkled with allusion and racism.
They take one or two lines from Harvard studies that probably found the opposite of what they claim...in their "JustaBunchofBS" "study".
Laughable.
 
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Common Dreams
Ahead of Meeting, Trump Election Commission Ripped as 'Stain on Democracy'
The so-called Election Integrity Commission is little more than a "platform for the extremist views of those who support voter suppression," rights groups say
Jake Johnson, staff writer

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President Donald Trump and Kris Kobach, Kansas secretary of state, shake hands following their meeting with president-elect at Trump International Golf Club, November 20, 2016 in Bedminster Township, New Jersey. (Photo: Drew Angerer/Getty Images)

As President Donald Trump's so-called Election Integrity Commission is set to meet for the second time on Tuesday in New Hampshire, voting rights groups are slamming the panel as a "stain on democracy" and urging resistance to any attempt by the Trump administration to "restrict access to the ballot under the guise of eliminating voter fraud."

"Our election process must be secure, fair, and transparent," said Dale Ho, director of the ACLU's Voting Rights Project, but Trump is using his "sham commission to spread the lie of rampant fraud as a Trojan Horse for voter suppression."

The meeting comes on the heels of a widely-panned Breitbart column by the commission's vice chair, Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who claimed that thousands of "out-of-staters" voted fraudulently in New Hampshire during the 2016 election.

Kobach argued the fraud was so rampant that it altered the outcome of the state's Senate race—and may have even been the decisive factor in former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's New Hampshire victory.

But as Ari Berman and Pema Levy point out in Mother Jones, "there's a far simpler and less nefarious explanation for what happened: It's legal to use an out-of-state driver's license as ID at the polls in New Hampshire."

"The people who did so didn't drive in New Hampshire or own a car there or plan to reside permanently in the state," Berman and Levy added. "College students quickly came forward to say they'd voted legitimately using out-of-state licenses. (The places where out-of-state licenses were used most frequently were all college towns.) The fraud Kobach cited was nothing of the sort."

Brian Tashman, political researcher and strategist for the ACLU, argues that Kobach's wild claims ahead of the commission's second official meeting are evidence that he is "getting desperate" after failing in his failed attempts to obtain state voter data.

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"This commission meeting is a farce. It is astounding that this Commission has lined up a full day of speakers who provide no racial, gender, or ideological diversity," Kristen Clarke, president and executive director of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, said in a statement on Monday. "In so doing, the commission has made clear that they do not represent the diverse voices of Americans who care about voting but is instead focused on providing a platform for the extremist views of those who support voter suppression."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...mp-election-commission-ripped-stain-democracy


So, the people who vote out-of-state are usually using an ID that is from another state than where they are voting; they are not fraudsters.
 
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Trump Is Right — Millions Of Illegals Probably Did Vote In 2016

Media Bias: Not surprisingly, the media take seriously and support Jill Stein's and Hillary Clinton's excellent vote-recount adventure, despite there being no indication a recount is needed. Heck, even President Obama agrees — Donald Trump won, period. But when Trump dares to suggest in a Sunday tweet that illegal aliens voted in the election, the media respond with massive denial.

"In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally," Trump tweeted to the barely concealed contempt of many in the media.

Typical was the utterly dismissive headline in The Nation, the flagship publication of the progressive movement: "The President-Elect Is An Internet Troll."

The Washington Post's "The Fix" blog site did a little better: "Donald Trump's new explanation for losing the popular vote? A Twitter-born conspiracy theory."

There are many more, too many to put here. Most follow the same theme: Trump foolishly followed the faulty analysis of Gregg Phillips of True The Vote, an online anti-voter-fraud site and app. Phillips estimates that illegals cast three million votes in the 2016 election. He's wrong, say the media. Heck, even the liberal fact-checking site FactCheck.org says so.

But, in fact, it's almost certain that illegals did vote — and in significant numbers. Whether it was three million or not is another question.

While states control the voter registration process, some states are so notoriously slipshod in their controls (California, Virginia and New York — all of which have political movements to legalize voting by noncitizens — come to mind) that it would be shocking if many illegals didn't vote. Remember, a low-ball estimate says there are at least 11 million to 12 million illegals in the U.S., but that's based on faulty Census data. More likely estimates put the number at 20 million to 30 million.

What's disappointing is that instead of at least seriously considering Trump's charge, many media reports merely parrot leftist talking points and anti-Trump rhetoric by pushing the idea that Republicans and others not of the progressive left who seek to limit voting to citizens only are racist, xenophobic nuts.

But there is evidence to back Trump's claims. A 2014 study in the online Electoral Studies Journal shows that in the 2008 and 2010 elections, illegal immigrant votes were in fact quite high.

"We find that some noncitizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and congressional elections," wrote Jesse T. Richman, Gulshan A. Chattha, both of Old Dominion University, and David C. Earnest of George Mason University.

More specifically, they write, "Noncitizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress."

Specifically, the authors say that illegals may have cast as many as 2.8 million votes in 2008 and 2010. That's a lot of votes. And when you consider the population of illegal inhabitants has only grown since then, it's not unreasonable to suppose that their vote has, too.

Critics note that a Harvard team in 2015 had responded to the study, calling it "biased." But that report included this gem: "Further, the likely percent of noncitizen voters in recent U.S. elections is 0."

Really? That's simply preposterous, frankly, as anyone who has lived in California can attest. Leftist get-out-the-vote groups openly urge noncitizens to vote during election time, and the registration process is notoriously loose. To suggest there is no illegal voting at all is absurd.

What's appalling, as we said, is not the media's skepticism, but its denial. But why? Illegal votes shouldn't be allowed to sway U.S. elections. So why tolerate them?

When the far left began insinuating that the Russians had hacked the election, the media treated the nonsupported claims with the utmost of respect. They still do. But not Trump's suggestion that illegals voted, and in large numbers, mainly for Democratic candidates, including Hillary Clinton.

And, yes, Trump is right: Illegal votes may in part explain why Hillary now has a nearly two-million-vote lead in the popular vote, even though she lost convincingly in the Electoral College. A Rasmussen Reports poll earlier this year found that 53% of the Democratic Party supports letting illegals vote, even though it's against the law. It's pretty clear why.

Yes, there is room for skepticism of any claim that's made. But every vote cast by someone who isn't by law permitted to vote disenfranchises American citizens. The charge should at least be taken seriously.

Meanwhile, we will expect the media to continue to give its fawning attention to the spurious challenges of nonexistent vote tampering leveled by Hillary Clinton and Jill Stein, on behalf of the progressive wing of the Democratic Party.

While the media savage Trump and his motives, please recall what Hillary said in the debates: that the idea a defeated candidate wouldn't recognize the results of the election was "horrifying." And she has also agreed there is no "actionable evidence" of either hacking or outside interference, despite joining with Stein to seek recounts.

So what about Clinton's motives?

As for Stein, who barely registered a blip on the 2016 electoral screen, the $5 million or so she has raised to pay for recounts really seems more like a ploy to bail out her failed campaign than a serious attempt at a recount. But the media continue to treat her like a serious political operator — not the far-left kook she is.
 
Why Democrats are scared to death of voter fraud investigations

By Tammy BrucePublished

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Editor's note: The following column originally appeared in The Washington Times.




As President Trump’s Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity met on Tuesday in New Hampshire to discuss voter fraud, the usual liberal suspects cried wolf.

During last year’s election, the president voiced what we know — that voter fraud exists. The only question is to what degree, and that’s the mission of the commission.

For anyone who dismisses concerns about voter fraud, the unhinged reaction by the left at investigating it should, at the very least, make a logical person wonder what they’re so concerned about.

After all, if you believe the issue is false, or at the most an irrelevant factor in end results, you should welcome confirmation of that fact. Unless, of course, one fears the actual outcome may prove how voter fraud impacts local and state races to the point of shifting the balance of power in Washington, D.C.

Kris Kobach, the Kansas secretary of state and vice chairman of the president's commission, has already caused quite the stir. In a Breitbart article, Mr. Kobach revealed that out-of-state voters may have changed not only the outcome of the New Hampshire U.S. Senate race, but also could have impacted who won the state’s presidential contest.

Mr. Kobach’s assertion is quite simple and demands an investigation, which is exactly what the commission will do. He noted that New Hampshire is a state with same-day voter registration, which eliminates the ability to determine the eligibility of those voters. He said that last year there were 6,540 same-day registrants with out-of-state driver’s licenses.

The state requires residents to obtain a state driver’s license within 60 days of moving, yet since the election “5,313 of those voters neither obtained a New Hampshire driver’s license nor registered a vehicle in New Hampshire. They have not followed the legal requirements for residents regarding driver’s licenses, and it appears that they are not actually residing in New Hampshire. It seems that they never were bona fide residents of the State.”

This number, Mr. Kobach pointed out, is large enough to have made the difference in the state’s U.S. Senate race as well as the presidential election. Hillary Clinton won the swing state by only 2,738 votes. Incumbent Republican Kelly Ayotte lost her Senate seat to Democrat Maggie Hassan by the slim margin of 1,017 votes.

Some critics of Mr. Kobach’s assertion argue that the driver’s license issue could reflect voting by out-of-state college students who live in New Hampshire. Sure, that’s possible, so let’s find out, shall we?

Liberals usually claim if there is fraud, it’s so small and isolated that it doesn’t impact end results. The margins in New Hampshire prove the falsity of that argument.

This issue and others were discussed in Manchester on Tuesday, as a cacophony of liberal whiners and harpies demanded a dismantling of the commission itself.

Because, you know, it’s just so much easier to burn down something with which you disagree. Just ask the #Resist gang antifa.

The ACLU’s farcical headline serves as a good example of how panicked the left really is: “Kris Kobach Pushes Voter Fraud Lies While Meeting With Fellow Suppression Activists.”

Looks like they ran out of room for “Klan,” “Nazi,” and “Puppy killers.”

Prior to this week’s meeting, Stephen Dinan of The Washington Times reported on the thousands of comments that have poured into the commission.

“For a problem that critics say doesn’t exist, Americans seem to have a lot of stories of voter fraud or the potential for it. They are sharing those stories with President Trump’s voter integrity commission as it wades into one of the administration’s thorniest fights,” Mr. Dinan reported.

“Democrats have vowed to use the legislative process to try to derail the commission. Last month, Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer of New York compared the commission to the white supremacists who marched in Charlottesville, Virginia, and said he would try to eliminate the panel as part of a must-pass bill,” The Times noted.

Why so afraid, Chuck?

The issue of voter fraud must be addressed so every voter can be sure that their right as a citizen is not being erased by a fraudulent vote. Last year, this newspaper reported on a variety of fraudulent situations demanding reviews, including dead people voting in Colorado, illegals voting in Virginia, some Pennsylvania citizens voting twice, underage voters voting in the Wisconsin primary, and vote rigging in Texas.

Meanwhile, “[A] Heritage Foundation database tracking documented voter fraud now contains 492 cases and 773 criminal convictions, with untold other cases unreported and unprosecuted,” the National Review reported.

“Across the country, as Heritage’s database shows, voter-fraud convictions include everything from impersonation fraud and false registrations to ineligible voting by felons and noncitizens. American voter fraud continues apace, and the United States remains one of the only democracies in the world without a uniform requirement for voter identification,” the magazine continued.

Democrats and their allies are afraid of something — an end to a scheme that they have relied on for far too long. And now, with the president's voter fraud commission and the tenacity of people like Mr. Kobach, perhaps they’re also afraid of losing a Senate seat and an increase of Mr. Trump’s 2016 electoral college victory.