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Hope the west doesn't disrespect and act opposite to local cultural values like it always does. Reallly seems like half the time we can't read a room when we fight so far from home.
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Operation Epstein Fury has nothing to do with the Iranian people. They, in the eyes of the president and his followers, are not really people at all.
This is a murderously sick, perverse and cruel use of American resources. No one will be held to account.
This is a murderously sick, perverse and cruel use of American resources. No one will be held to account.
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I dare say Iran is the hub of hatred. They have it written in their gov papers to destroy Israel. Ever since 1979, terrorists have been trained and sponsored by Iran. Their so-called religion is for the destruction of Israel. Fight them now, or fight them later? They have called on all Muslims worldwide to help them. Religion and beliefs are part of Iran's attacks. Let them harvest their nuclear fuels and give them to us, and we will leave. Only occasional bombing then to keep the range of their missiles at bay. The people I have been angry over are all dead. This goes back as far as Beirut and our Marines. Teach your children well. I wish the best for Iranians who will try and fix this. There are those standing by to help if needed.
Reza Pahlavi is the son of the last Shah of Iran, and possibly who I might want to see in power. https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/preparing-regime-collapse-reza-pahlavi-131221742.html
Reza Pahlavi is the son of the last Shah of Iran, and possibly who I might want to see in power. https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/preparing-regime-collapse-reza-pahlavi-131221742.html
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Which is ridiculous because the geography and history of Iran is faaaaar different from that of Venezuela. Iran has a complex militia and a geographic advantage. I would rather they TACO and yet they are also floating the thought of mandatory drafting. For what? For boots on the ground? For American children to die over the imagined wars of alleged pedophiles and rapists? Are they seriously telling American people to suck it up because they need control over some other country's oil which is NOT their own? That is thievery.
After reading some of the posts around this blog, I fear that if boots will be sent on Iranian ground, more American lives will be sacrificed but not and never the elite's. More so, the division that this will cause on domestic United States will have deep jarring effects. I want to stay neutral, but these scammers are using words like "for jesus;eternal war". What the actual fuckin propaganda is this shit about? At the rate the US government is going, I wouldn't even be surprised if they bombed their own people just to paint hatred.
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Puhlease. As if the IRGC will not go after his head. The IRGC has stayed in power even after the death of its key leaders. It is a system, a deeply embedded one. Anybody arrogant enough to think they can defeat that do not understand the history of the Persian empire.
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This is not Persia: it is Iran wanting their country back from the thieves of 1979. Pahlavi knows the risks, as many do.
IRGC was established in 1979. It was established to be loyalists of the new regime, knowing the Artesh might not be so. The Iranian Revolution actually helped form them. They are a little different from Hezbollah, who also became involved in politics and government: social escapades. They killed thousands of protestors. I'll not get into what they are or what they have done, but they are not the regular army of Iran.
There is a force much stronger than the IRGC. The fighting is being done to help protect the people who do not agree with strict Shia law.
Are you saying the IRGC will control Iran and their future? That is bad news for their people. Hey, mintoots. I know how difficult Persia has been to foreign intervention over the centuries.
www.ourhistory.org.uk
IRGC was established in 1979. It was established to be loyalists of the new regime, knowing the Artesh might not be so. The Iranian Revolution actually helped form them. They are a little different from Hezbollah, who also became involved in politics and government: social escapades. They killed thousands of protestors. I'll not get into what they are or what they have done, but they are not the regular army of Iran.
There is a force much stronger than the IRGC. The fighting is being done to help protect the people who do not agree with strict Shia law.
Are you saying the IRGC will control Iran and their future? That is bad news for their people. Hey, mintoots. I know how difficult Persia has been to foreign intervention over the centuries.
The rise and fall of the Persian Empire
The Persian Empire once stretched from India to Greece, ruling over nearly half the known world.
www.ourhistory.org.uk
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Thievery typically implies deceit, trickery, misdirection, or taking advantage of an opportunity born of ignorance.
I say the following as jaded and perhaps bitter-leaning.
When violence is used, that is pillaging, not just stealing. It is said possession is nine-tenths of the law for a reason. Humans have always operated this way. A calculus is done. What is the cost of doing work versus fucking that other group over and taking their shit?
After all, if you can take by force, and then defend it, why not? Put aside the ethics and moral questions. Those are for academics and theologians. Those dominators who get things done are not burdened by such considerations.
Once again, it is One Law. They take because they wish to, and can. There’s nothing beyond that, but of course you are free to call it whatever you like.
I’ll leave you with a quote from Ellen Ripley:
“You know, Burke, I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage.”
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In 1953, Iran was a democracy. The CIA and MI5 guided a coup and installed the Shah, because the West was nervous about Iran nationalizing its oil.
In that sense Pahlavi is as illegitimate as anyone post-1979.
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I wouldn't pay too much attention to what they leak out in the media. Obviously both sides want to appear strong and appear to have escalation dominance. Another thing is to differentiate between preferences and constratins. Trump already proved many times that he has low pain tolerance (no matter his preferences!). That's how the whole TACO meme was born.
Iran is the wildcard here. If you believe they're religous zealots with infinate pain tolerance and nothing can sway them, then the war might last for a long, long time. I don't believe that. I think they're corrupt kleptocrats that cannot handle the pain. It is already showing in all the deals they are making. Some countries are allowed to go to straight of Hormuz, other aren't. Now supposedly even France and Italy are negotiating with them. If they were really radical, they would just announce: "Strait of Hormuz is closed, thank you for your attention to this matter".
The longer they keep the strait closed, the more likely is that more countries will band together with the US (perhaps even China, I don't see why not). So Iran is in a very weak position if you ask me (assuming they're rational actors and constraint frameworks applies to them).
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It is the geography of Persia, now Iran that aided the expansion of the Persian empire. Granted the Arabs invaded Persia, per se (though this was such a nuanced process, seriously), and now in control is the IRGC Shia, it simply means it is now IRGC that is in possesion of that geographic advantage. Iranian leadership has been painted evil for so long, but what it truly was is Iranian leadership that did not submit to Western control. If leadership does not submit to the US empire, then leadership was painted evil. This formula was repeated across multiple countries. (See reference 2.2)This is not Persia: it is Iran wanting their country back from the thieves of 1979. Pahlavi knows the risks, as many do.
IRGC was established in 1979. It was established to be loyalists of the new regime, knowing the Artesh might not be so. The Iranian Revolution actually helped form them. They are a little different from Hezbollah, who also became involved in politics and government: social escapades. They killed thousands of protestors. I'll not get into what they are or what they have done, but they are not the regular army of Iran.
There is a force much stronger than the IRGC. The fighting is being done to help protect the people who do not agree with strict Shia law.
Are you saying the IRGC will control Iran and their future? That is bad news for their people. Hey, mintoots. I know how difficult Persia has been to foreign intervention over the centuries.
The rise and fall of the Persian Empire
The Persian Empire once stretched from India to Greece, ruling over nearly half the known world.
This fight is not being done to save Iranian people from the IRGC. That is the furthest thing from fact. It is the official statement (a public front) but it is not the rational fact. Otherwise, that elementary school ---regardless of it being in an IRGC compound--- would not have been bombed by a tomahawk with a 2 to 3 feet precision; incinerating explosive devices would not have been dropped. (1)
Assuming it was an intelligence mistake --granted that is the rational explanation, there remains the ho-hums of the CIA being involved in the protests much earlier before the missiles were fired. The analysts are clear on this ---CIA involvement regarding domestic unrest cannot be ruled out (2.1). Some of them even argue that the violence against rioters, i.e. beheading are backed by CIA itself (2.2). If these analysts are correct, the intersections between protesters and CIA deep cells remain strongly possible. It is more likely that the IRGC is aware of that, hence the more-extreme-than-usual violence.
I am not saying the IRGC is not corrupt. They are. Many of them are clearly power drunk. Do Iranians have to be saved by the US govt from them? I say, the Americans better die saving themselves from their own government.
Why? Because US govt meddling in other countries is not about saving people. It is about economic, geographic, and industrial control. Iraq is only one of dozens of countries made destitute by the meddling of colonizers; Haiti being the arguable first of this very long list. Think Somalia. Lebanon. The Philippines. Puerto Rico, and so on.
Some democrats liked to pretend they have a conscience, hence advocating for immigrants especially of countries that the empire has consumed. Well and good. Cool beans. Except, when the immigrants get here; they are never going to be accepted by many Americans who for some reason imagine that their jobs are being taken away. Of course! The immigration networks prefer to let the skilled and learned in (there are literal scholarship programs by the US Govt for foreign talent); those who cannot migrate at will, often uneducated, are left to rot in their respective motherlands. Of course it becomes more nuanced when middle age white men can lure their second or third wives out from many of these colonized countries, which is another story altogether... Even then, what is astoundingly clear is that this is not about saving people, it is about moving the labor market.
SO the US empire's checklist, if it had one, would probably look like:
️ geographic control️ resource extraction control️ resource movement control️ labor market control️ financial controlIt sounds awesome if one was a citizen of the empire. Surely, all that money would go to the coffers of the people. It does, kinda --- people afterall experience the conveniences of expansive expressways despite the nasty potholes in some places like Ohio, Michigan, and Indiana, but yeah, sure. The schools have great infrastructure named after the richest men... the hospitals too...
Oh but wait, healthcare is so expensive.
Oh and rent is ridiculously expensive now too...
Oh and if the Americans are so truly rich, why are there many shivering bodies in so many of their downtown sidewalks? Hey, these people are often people of color... oh they call some of them white trash, too.... ---wait, so it is not about race? Is it about class? It's a meritocracy!
And then, there is this reaaaaaaaaaaaaalllly small portion of the American population that has ridiculous billions and trillions of money spent on yachts and what nots. (3)
The money is not going to American people in general, it is going to the elite, who, by the way think the government is their lapdog. This is regardless of parties. And also, it is an elite so unimaginably rich that eating animal flesh and sexing the opposite gender has become boring to them, so they decided to switch things around in that department too.
TLDR -- colonial govts destabilize colonized countries to make them dependent. This produces a surplus of labor. The more skilled labor is absorbed in colonizer lands much to the dismay of their earlier-arriving citizens. It is not about saving people.
The money that is generated from all this control is not equally distributed. It is most absorbed by the richest of the rich, just like a classic ponzi scheme.
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(1) https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026...rls-school-killing-more-than-170-what-we-know
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I hear you, aeon. I am merely choosing to believe in the invisible goodness of people. I want to live with hope in my heart than despair.
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The magnitude of the less visible support of China and Russia is for Iran, not the US. These two countries are gaining from this while being on the side of Iran. Russian oil is seeing profits, China is dominating access through Hormuz (which is also very relevant to dominating the food supply toward the Middle East) (1). I daresay that the constraint that the Iranians are displaying right now is very astutely calculated ---it comes from a resolute position of confidence, which I imagine is precisely because of the intelligence support it is getting from Russia and China.
Another indicator of your analysis being a likely miscalculation is the restraint that the Houthis are displaying for now. My guess is they are under Iranian influence. Iran has already issued veiled threats on the Red Sea, in particular the strait of Bal el Mandab (2). If Saudi Arabia continues to be a pain in the Iranian ass as Iran is targetting the US and its allies explicitly, then the Houthis could get activated to control the Red Sea and then TACO will likely happen if the orange can still free itself from its alliance with Bibi. Oil is Iran's hostage.
The writings of other countries withdrawing from US alliances is already on the wall. Spain (3.1); Italy (3.2); France (3.3)
What is truly stopping TACO for now is the humiliation it brings to the US government and of course, Zionists with power; but it is as we speak, being kicked to the knees and being forced into a new world order where it is not the emperor. Former allies are bit by bit shifting their alliances (who can blame them when the bully has bullied them before too?). None of this is making America great again. At least, not yet.
P.S. what does "great" even mean? Was it great when it was pushing native Americans westward? Was it the great depression? Oh, was it the innovation in the 20? The 60s? The civil rights movement? The financialization of the 70s? Yes, these questions are rhetorical.
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(3.1) https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/08/europe/spain-sanchez-rejection-trump-iran-war-intl-cmd
(3.2) https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.middleeastmonitor.com/20260312-italy-plans-withdrawal-of-troops-from-erbil-base-defense-minister/?amp
(3.3) https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/fra...aeli-strikes-on-iran-foreign-minister/3858941
Oh! I forgot to mention. I think religion is the balm that lures the public to submission, here. None of these governments are true zealots. I mean, maybe Israel, but nah. Religion has always been and to this very day, still is a tool to manufacture unbelieveable propaganda into something palatable to the public. It's always about power shifts, and to this point @aeon is right.
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This is the oops egg on face truth of the moment. Russia has sanctions lifted and are selling oil to all buyers. Nervous countries are flocking to the one visible source of stability and long-range partnership...China.
Cheeto Pedo sure is a grand master of 4D chess.
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I think of good and evil as projected judgements, not a quality which exists in the world.
That said, I think human beings are mammals like many others. We are programmatic (through socialization), and (seemingly) unique to our species, metaprogrammable.
To that end, I think we are blank slates, whose inherent nature is the drive to meet needs in our self interest.
This often results in cooperation, and consensual actions between and among others, because the calculus arrives at an answer where cooperation is the lowest cost action in service of those needs.
This is most often the case, and may lead to the idea of the inherent good. It gives rise to the idea “together we stand, divided we fall.”
But I don’t think it is a moral question, even if that is applied after the fact. Ours is a function of neurobiology and our programming, or socialization in our formative years, during the time of greatest neuronal branching and later pruning.
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Sure, I get that Russia benefits from this conflict. China? Less so, I don't think they give a damn about Iran, they just want their oil from the Middle East (they import way more from Saudi and UAE than Iran).
But more importantly, this symbolic support is to no use to Iranians when US is the punitive mode, when they're raining down death and fury on Iran. The amount of pain the Iranian regime has to take is too much.
And the US already gave up on regime change. I think Trump can easily say in few days that goals were achieved, we're done.
As for Iran, I think their reaction function looks something like this:
Iran's pain tolerance - (US punitive air campaign + global reaction to the closure of Hormuz strait) = duration of Iran's resistance.