The obviousness of existence?

Barnabas

Barnabas

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It would seem to m the existence is very much so obvious, however I no many people either doubt their own existence or disregaard it completely?

Why is that?
 
I dont doubt my existence, I doubt the worth of it...
 
i think people doubt their own existence sometimes because they have no third party perspective on it.
 
People doubt their existence because they can't see their connection with everyone else on this earth. You can't disconnect yourself from this bond, when you think in this way: you are connected with others and others are connected with you in the same way, whether you know it or not. Just you have to feel this connection. Then you'll able to see you existence and how you look on this earth.
 
Because their parents have told them stuff like "it's all up to you", "the fate of the world depends on YOU", and attitudes of this kind. I wouldn't even believe that such parents still exist, but they do, and are probably the majority.
 
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Because their parents have told them stuff like "it's all up to you", "the fate of the world depends on YOU", and attitudes of this kind. I wouldn't even believe that such parents still exist, but they do, and are probably the majority.
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Such parents are trying to say, you are bright future for this country(regarding to their country).
 
enfp can be shy said:
Because their parents have told them stuff like "it's all up to you", "the fate of the world depends on YOU", and attitudes of this kind. I wouldn't even believe that such parents still exist, but they do, and are probably the majority.
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well sir, that begs for further explanation?

Also I remember you mentioning something about you being nothing way back when I first joined, could you elaborate or corect me on that.
 
Because we question whether there is anything beyond what we observe through our senses. Quantum physics shows a world VERY far beyond what we perceive. Bertrand Russell stresses how we don't actually observe the 'being' of a table, we see how it is shaped, the denseness of the material, the feel of the material, and from that we infer that it is indeed a table, which the word 'table' is a nominal symbolic reference to a general category of what a table is.

There was an ancient tribe that had a person that had never seen a human from far away, when he say the human first, he thought it was a bug because they were so small, then as they got closer the human grew and it blew the guy's mind. This helps to show how much of our world is inferred based on input through our senses.

It is the scientific and philosophical mind to question our senses and whether there is something more and to understand what that is.

For all I know, I could have had memories implanted just now, and what I experience is all a simulation. Who can prove otherwise? Now, this isn't to say that is the case, but it is a plausible argument.

What if a game character had the ability to question itself? You wouldn't have any direct way to interact with that character because it is in a different realm of existence, it is inside the game of code while you are in a physical 'reality.' That is, unless the game coders somehow created an interface for you to chat directly with the character, and even then you would simply be a voice inside their head. Although if you could interact with the physical realm AND be a voice inside their head, then you could prove your existence outside that character's own being and realm of existence.
 
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in terms of the game character, tht begs the question just because you are controlled does that mean you don't exist.

even on a level of memories, just because you can't prove what is real in your past no matter how close it gets to the present. you still have the present, take this post for example It's right now and I am typing it.
 
Barnabas said:
in terms of the game character, tht begs the question just because you are controlled does that mean you don't exist.

even on a level of memories, just because you can't prove what is real in your past no matter how close it gets to the present. you still have the present, take this post for example It's right now and I am typing it.
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I acknowledge that something happens in the present, there is no doubt that this exists, but there is question as to the nature of existence.
 
Barnabas said:
well sir, that begs for further explanation?

Also I remember you mentioning something about you being nothing way back when I first joined, could you elaborate or corect me on that.
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When physically unreasonable expectations are induced in one's mind, the mind is set to doubt its own existence eventually. The self part is nothing, which isn't a problem of existence. Animals don't question their own existence, exactly because they have no self.

Inducing physically unreasonable expectations in one's mind began with kings and political leaders. The little prince was taught that the whole universe obeys him. Of course, that gradually led thinkers of the world, usually from the highest classes, to question their own existence.
 
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So you question what is existence not whether or not you exist.
 
Barnabas said:
So you question what is existence not whether or not you exist.
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Yes, a definition of existence would be a good start. :D

Then again, I cannot claim to understand existence nor will I ever in this lifetime, so I instead pursue epistemology, that is, the definition of how we know what we know.

However, sometimes I do ponder YOUR existence.
 
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well let's see, if Porn is "you know it when you see it" then would existence be you know it when you live it.

Why do we need careful definitions?
 
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what's a "start"?
j/k
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HAHA good one! Reminds me of Zeno's paradox

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno's_paradoxes
 
Barnabas said:
well let's see, if Porn is "you know it when you see it" then would existence be you know it when you live it.

Why do we need careful definitions?
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but all we know is existence, so there could be no perspective on it. it's not like the atoms which make up our bodies haven't always "existed" in some form.

also, we need clear definitions in order to avoid misinterpretations & confusion (which is bound to happen anyway when discussing topics like this, but at least it will happen less)
 
Barnabas said:
well let's see, if Porn is "you know it when you see it" then would existence be you know it when you live it.

Why do we need careful definitions?
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'Porn' is just a concatenation of a nominal symbol (a word: pornography) which has a generally shared definition of media showing people having sex.

Show porn to someone that doesn't know anything about sex and ask them what it is. Doesn't seem very self-evident to me. We LEARN what sex is.
 
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