The Misandry Bubble

[jimtaylor]

This is all very silly and pointless anyway.
@jimtaylor --
You complain that women are favored by the legal system and that there is an imbalance in what is acceptable in the work place--
Yet you yourself say a woman flashing you is fun while a man flashing a woman is harassment.
If you want things to be fair and equal, then treat women fairly.
You should have reported her, and because you did not--you did men a disservice, if you truly believe in the legitimacy of a mens rights movement.
Or what do you prefer to happen? That men be allowed to flash in the workplace, too? LOL.


Your sister is a spoiled brat and her boyfriend should have walked out the door the second she started having a tantrum.
I just don't see how this is a mens rights issue.
Stop dating idiot women, they're out there.. Just like there are idiot men.
I don't date every chauvenist I meet and then complain about how unfair the world is...

Did you not read what was written afterwards. We discussed reporting her but at the end of the day nobody believes that a woman willingly flashed two men twice her size after work hours with no other witnesses. Reporting her would have gotten no where and perhaps would have resulted in allegations against us because her and other women like her have very much a pack mentality. If a man speaks out against one of them then the rest jump into to defend her and destroy that guy. If you carefully read and didnt just pick out pieces to fit your argument you would have understood this was the point. A man accusing a women of flashing gets no response from the legal system because mosy consider it harmless and because most just dont give a shit. A man flashing is like the end of the world and is taken very seriously. Going back to my story of Jane, nobody would believe that a good educated girl with a masters degree would willingly flash two men that are twice her size, after hours with no other witnesses. Let me tell you what the exact response will be as I have seen it. These two men are claiming that Sally willingly sexually harassed them after hours and I think it's a total lie. They are just threatened by her because she is a woman and might take their jobs some day. They are doing this just to ruin her reputation and they should be investigated for their own actions.

You have to remember that corporate America is not a legal system. Any equality and justice is swayed very much by who you know, not what you know. It isn't fair and these extreme feminist's know that as well and some of them work their hardest to put men down while at the same time, men do the same thing. As I advocated at the end, both types of these people need to be removed from their positions of power and a balance must be struck.

Again not all women are this way as it made it clear. Also you are jumping to extremes and making statements that werent made to fit your argument. So based of argument blacks should have just stopped getting killed by the KKK and not tried to do anything to change the standard of society? If you don't want to be killed by the KKK that don't get caught by them. Do woman have the words "I am pshycho controlling bitch who thinks she's gods gift to the world" written on her somewhere that I failed to miss. Yeah there are some visual signs but what you are advocating is just as messed up and is within the lines of what the OP suggested and what makes women say men are jerks. We try not to date these crazy women but they tend to be the most vocal and expressive about their hate of men which quickly spreads the word that a guy is a bad man because he slept with her and then realized she was crazy and left.

Plus you are saying that we should avoid a very large population of women who may have other great qualities if not for that mentality of that men should take care of them which has been drilled into their heads since they where born. Society needs to be changed to place an emphasis on equality and fair interactions within relationships. Enough of the stereotyping.

Now I don't believe many here are familiar with Greek and I know that by admitting I am a fraternity member will automatically associate me with the negative stereotypes that going along with being a fraternity member. These of course are still labeled upon us despite us having the highest GPA of any male or female organization at the University including student government, us raising the most amount for charity each year including $50,000+ each year for cancer research and us being involved in every major philanthropy work at the Unversity including rape awareness. A single allegation by a women, warented or not is enough to get our 100+ year charter pulled by the University. Our allegations of female misconduct are greates with a large amount of skepticism and again because we stupid frat boys who only know three things; drinking, women, and food. Not really equal and it's not due to a lack effort on our part, it just takes a long time to change a steryotype.

Also please stop with this men rights bs. I never once wrote that. I am calling for equal rights and treatment for men and women. You don't see it that way because you have made it very clear you have the same stereotype of men that most women. Only bitter, pathetic losers would care about such things and that the writer for this should just grow up. By making such a statement as you did you are only perpetuating the stereotype that men have to be strong and hold in their emotions and feelings because they have no value and only weak men express them. I would say that's a little unfair.

I am not trying to attack here. Just please think, wether you believe this to be true or not, more than enough men feel this way. We would never tell a woman so but we talk about it amongst ourselves. Also your statement about bad girls vs dating a good girl. I want you to think because I am not talking about those self centered girls we all know about. Would you say; that a genuinely sweet girl who likes to watch romantic comedies and is hoping that someday that a guy will show up and just sweep her off her feet, is bad? Probably not but I would because she is setting a standard that cannot be obtained. She is placing men at level of which is as unrealistic as the porn men watch. It is a fantasy world that man women have turned into a reality that they seek. Men are set to fail before they even walk in a door because they are competing with something that they can never win against. You would never say this type sweet, kind girl is bad or evil but she does have that mentality that men are supposed to chase her, pursue her, ect... Which leads to an unequal view on relationships. This is the bad I am talking about, not your usual outspoken selfish type of girl.

 

[Trifoilum]

Hmm, reading again and..replying to @jimtaylor ;
I think there's a lot of truth contained, but let me offer a different perspective.

To be honest, though, your personal experiences is what makes this issue -hard-. Because when we're talking about -women- and -men-, we're not talking about merely you and me, acd or Blind Bandit, Peppermint or Korg or Hoggle or anyone; everyone. From the saints to the sinners, the vilest criminal to the gentlest humanist, the high maintenance and the low maintenance. When this social changes (or regarding sexual orientation, or skin color, or anything) is applied, every member of society is supposed to bow upon it.

Thus I would personally say all your experiences are -the- abuse of the ideal world of equality, of feminism... just as how what happened to the majority of the women in the past are the abuses of the ideals of that time.

But then, isn't the same thing only reversed -what- will happen when the ideal described in the OP, overthrows what is currently thrown under the umbrella term of 'feminism' (while I would personally call it double standard, manipulation, childishness, bitch in sheeps clothing, exploiting assumptions....etc)?
Unfortunately, we have a proof over what had happened when men ruled over women. When the changes aren't made, when no movements aren't created. I understand this isn't your opinion, and that you're reviling the OP's premise evenly. But...yeah, slippery slope and all. :|

The past form of gender segregation is ideal too, in paper. 'men are the heads, women are the hearts'. Yeah, RIGHT.

Now I want somebody to tell me that this is fair and equal... How is it fair and equal for there to be a female organization to promote other females in the work place but a male organization is sexist? Another thing woman are not a minority!!!! They are 50% of the population and should be treated as such. Any type of benefit that goes to minorities should not be applicable to any women but only to minority women. Sorry, but I am going off the statistic here and guess what, women are not a minority.

Let us change the adjective.

From Women _________ and Men ________
to Black / African American / Asian / Latin / Middle-Eastern ____________ and White _________
GLBT _________ and Straight ___________
Alcoholic __________ and Sober ___________
Single Mother __________ and Married ____________
I think you can get the correlation.
is it discrimination?
I think. And thus it's valid to complain. But is it negative?
I don't have the answer, unfortunately.

What I can tell is, that yes, history has forced:
a) some group to rise above certain others,
b) a revolution to rise in opposition to the discrimination,
c) a social and group change in society,
d) a new status quo to be established,
e) a).

It is possible that for some people, living in certain situation, exposed to a certain demographic in a certain amount of time, to miss the forest and sees everything as TREES TREES TREES and thus, what people are seeing is just "this group is dominating (me/our/you/everyone!)" and not how they got there.
Of course, it's just one side of the question. It is entirely possible that they are indeed abusing and dominating, and in which case, a prevention for the action should be done. But should the ideal be changed?
I don't know the answer, again, to be honest.

So going back to men and women as equals. Let's get some things strait first. Women and men are not created equal and develop differently. No matter how much we want to argue otherwise, it's not true or at least it's not true until genetics can make it true. The male brain versus the female brain develops and matures at different rates plus the different gender's use different parts of the brain more often. Thus, not equal. Neither is better than the other, but not equal and so how can we ever have full equality?

Again, that is perhaps, an established fact. I won't deny.
But is it fact, or causality? Now I don't know genetics, but is it possible that -currently-, women and men are developing differently because of societal conditioning, that's done generations and generations ago? If that is true, then the extension that the change is changeable is also correct.... But what I -do- know to be true is that boys and girls are still developed in a different way.
Is that good, or bad? not my place to answer.
What I think is bad is stopping the progress towards equality only because true and complete equality -cannot- be achieved. It's like not running at all because you know you won't win.
Why not?

And regarding your mother, I think it's very common for people knowing only fewer sides of the person to have different opinion regarding someone compared to those who know / is exposed / sees a lot of that same someone. You know, the book and the cover. However to call it a mistake of status, as opposed to a mistake of character, is denying proper judgement to a whole lot of better, sane, well-sensed people who just happens to fall under that same status. It's like calling INFJs insane, argumentative, holier-than-thou and deluded only because of what I said.

This is coming from someone with a similar situation, only change the 'mother' into -father-.

But make no mistake, I won't protect nor justify their actions. The actions of all people you'd described is bad, manipulative, and extremely abusive. If this is Emotional Support and Advices I'd given you a hug (in fact, *HUGS*)
Really, though; is there no goodness in feminism as far as anti feminism's experiences are concerned?
I think I'd read a lot of feminist (the ones not interested in making men their slaves and burning their bras, albeit yes, not planning to marry) still giving praises over men's masculinity, chivalry and honor.

 

[the]

[MENTION=2710]jimtaylor[/MENTION] One thing you should remember is that women dont have a pack mentality: they actually dispise each other.

 

[jimtaylor]

This post won't be an essay don't worry. Haha sorry Everybody about the length of my posts. I just like to throw everything on the table. I agree with you completely and I don't want my opinions to be considered the standard but I would also hope it doesn't just get ignored either. By no means am I advocating a return to the old way of things. I don't have the mentality for that type of system with the man always giving orders and would be screwed in a different way. Haha. Really I am just trying to say; albeit not very concisely, is that it should be complete equality of opportunity. I don't care if a women beats me as long as the race is fair. Every young man should be given all the same opportunities to get into college as females. There should be more training of teachers in K - 12 to teach them how to deal with different genders because as of now teacher training is crap. The mentality of the legal system and HR departments in many companies need to have new training to place more value on the harm being caused to some men.


I really think we also need to get rid of this whole thing that men chase and women get chased. We still have not evolved past our basic nature in that regard and as long as we don't it won't ever be equal in relationships. Now changes are happening in some ways like the other night, three girls I didn't even know came up and called me sexy. it 'twas awesome and then we danced, nothing more but still fun. It is nice not having to do all the work for once and honestly the simple solution to some of those complaints girls have of to many guys bugging them would be for them simply to go ask a man they like instead of sending him a bunch of hidden signals of which most he will miss.

There is value to a lot of the feminist movements and I think women in the work place are essential. They provide perspectives most men cannot come to and contribute in other ways that men struggle with. I find them really fun to talk to and they really bring the workplace together where some men's pride only seeks to drive it apart. The issue though is that they really only value those few traits. They place no value on the sensitivity of men, of the emotion that we have but rarely demonstrate. The ability we have to be just as emotionally available as any women but are through society told to hide. It is only through things like art, engineering, writing, etc... That the male beauty can be demonstrated without being ostracized. Look at some of the worlds most famous buildings and beautiful buildings. They are in many ways what you would call feminine. They are elegant, graceful and beautiful, something that would never be applied to a straight American male as a compliment. They only acknowledge the same stereotype of men being the Hercules type and nothing more. It's great that they see the value to that but they place no other value in what abilities men posses beyond using our muscles to support their heart and minds which is far superior to our cold and rational heart and mind.

Hmm, reading again and..replying to @jimtaylor ;
I think there's a lot of truth contained, but let me offer a different perspective.

To be honest, though, your personal experiences is what makes this issue -hard-. Because when we're talking about -women- and -men-, we're not talking about merely you and me, acd or Blind Bandit, Peppermint or Korg or Hoggle or anyone; everyone. From the saints to the sinners, the vilest criminal to the gentlest humanist, the high maintenance and the low maintenance. When this social changes (or regarding sexual orientation, or skin color, or anything) is applied, every member of society is supposed to bow upon it.

Thus I would personally say all your experiences are -the- abuse of the ideal world of equality, of feminism... just as how what happened to the majority of the women in the past are the abuses of the ideals of that time.

But then, isn't the same thing only reversed -what- will happen when the ideal described in the OP, overthrows what is currently thrown under the umbrella term of 'feminism' (while I would personally call it double standard, manipulation, childishness, bitch in sheeps clothing, exploiting assumptions....etc)?
Unfortunately, we have a proof over what had happened when men ruled over women. When the changes aren't made, when no movements aren't created. I understand this isn't your opinion, and that you're reviling the OP's premise evenly. But...yeah, slippery slope and all. :|

The past form of gender segregation is ideal too, in paper. 'men are the heads, women are the hearts'. Yeah, RIGHT.

Let us change the adjective.

From Women _________ and Men ________
to Black / African American / Asian / Latin / Middle-Eastern ____________ and White _________
GLBT _________ and Straight ___________
Alcoholic __________ and Sober ___________
Single Mother __________ and Married ____________
I think you can get the correlation.
is it discrimination?
I think. And thus it's valid to complain. But is it negative?
I don't have the answer, unfortunately.

What I can tell is, that yes, history has forced:
a) some group to rise above certain others,
b) a revolution to rise in opposition to the discrimination,
c) a social and group change in society,
d) a new status quo to be established,
e) a).

It is possible that for some people, living in certain situation, exposed to a certain demographic in a certain amount of time, to miss the forest and sees everything as TREES TREES TREES and thus, what people are seeing is just "this group is dominating (me/our/you/everyone!)" and not how they got there.
Of course, it's just one side of the question. It is entirely possible that they are indeed abusing and dominating, and in which case, a prevention for the action should be done. But should the ideal be changed?
I don't know the answer, again, to be honest.


Again, that is perhaps, an established fact. I won't deny.
But is it fact, or causality? Now I don't know genetics, but is it possible that -currently-, women and men are developing differently because of societal conditioning, that's done generations and generations ago? If that is true, then the extension that the change is changeable is also correct.... But what I -do- know to be true is that boys and girls are still developed in a different way.
Is that good, or bad? not my place to answer.
What I think is bad is stopping the progress towards equality only because true and complete equality -cannot- be achieved. It's like not running at all because you know you won't win.
Why not?

And regarding your mother, I think it's very common for people knowing only fewer sides of the person to have different opinion regarding someone compared to those who know / is exposed / sees a lot of that same someone. You know, the book and the cover. However to call it a mistake of status, as opposed to a mistake of character, is denying proper judgement to a whole lot of better, sane, well-sensed people who just happens to fall under that same status. It's like calling INFJs insane, argumentative, holier-than-thou and deluded only because of what I said.

This is coming from someone with a similar situation, only change the 'mother' into -father-.

But make no mistake, I won't protect nor justify their actions. The actions of all people you'd described is bad, manipulative, and extremely abusive. If this is Emotional Support and Advices I'd given you a hug (in fact, *HUGS*)
Really, though; is there no goodness in feminism as far as anti feminism's experiences are concerned?
I think I'd read a lot of feminist (the ones not interested in making men their slaves and burning their bras, albeit yes, not planning to marry) still giving praises over men's masculinity, chivalry and honor.

 

[jimtaylor]

[MENTION=2710]jimtaylor[/MENTION] One thing you should remember is that women dont have a pack mentality: they actually dispise each other.

You ever watched a pride of lions hunt? Or a pack of wolves? Etc... Oh no they might hate each other but an outside threat always takes presidence over any internal squabble.

 

[jimtaylor]

There are things that need fixed on both sides of the fence. Grass is always greener and all that. It's important to keep in mind that we are more invested in the interests of our own sex then the interests of another. This makes perfect sense because it is the side we most relate to, and the side we stand to gain or lose the most from. Now things like the legal system something definitely can be changed to reflect more fair standards, but how do you change something such as the standards of people within a society? People will always have sexist/racist and other biased opinions or views on things whether they bare any truths in them or not.

True but change does happen. Like [MENTION=2172]Trifoilum[/MENTION] said, just because it is our nature to be a certain way or just because we will always have opposition to something better doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for it. If we just gave up and didn't try, African Americans would still be unjustly treated as slaves. Women would still be nothing more than a vessle to hopefully a male heir. Soceity changes but it takes those willing to go against the grain for it to happen.

 

[jimtaylor]

Now that I have thought about it a little bit longer and I have only a short amount of time to post this, I am going to try to make a very concise reply to this. Again I do apologize for the length of my responses; I just really struggle with leaving something unfinished.

I want to make it very clear that what the OP article is suggesting is not going to result in anything pleasant just as the current extremist feminist moment will not either. Both will only fuel the fire of hatred and inequality as each movement only sees the value in their ideals. For there to be an actual movement towards equality then those who see both the values to men and women are the ones who have to become the ones who voice is loudest. By this I mean is that they have to be willing to step out of the shadows and stop having this mentality of "well I am not like that crazy bitch, so this doesn't apply to me". The matter of the fact here is that both men and women who do hold positions of power and influence are screaming their bias and prejudice against each other while praising the superiority of their gender. They are claiming to be the spokesperson of that gender and so become a visual representation of the worst of us that somehow have obtained a position that allows them to spread their ideals and values.

It results in many boys and girls wanting to be like those types because they see the wealth, the power, the admiration that some of them get and they desire that. Now you might think this is stupid but just because you are not easily swayed by the opinion of others, many people are. Remember, a lot of the United States is really really stupid and very easily influenced into things. Rational or critical thinking are in short supply in most parts of the country and the examples of this are so many I don't even need to show one. Just open a newspaper and see how avidly people follow the lives of professional athletes, actors and actresses. It is the value we place upon greed and that wealth leads to happiness that has resulted in these people having power and the ability to influence so many others.

What has to be understood is that there are no bystanders and that we are all responsible. We can't just stand by and watch as these people abuse their power to influence the younger generations into pursuing something that is detrimental the overall growth of humanity. So the truth is that the points brought up in the OP article are good points and have to be acknowledged as such but his resolution to the matter is terrible. Such a solution will just restart the cycle and in a hundred years women will again revolt against men and then have bitterness and hatred at being oppressed. Really this whole idea of girls as princes and boys as trouble makers needs to be ended. Girls and boys in the lower grades have to be treated as equals and teachers need training in how to deal with young boys and girls. Also special attention needs to be paid to every child's circumstance and more support needs to provided to supporting our future. More direct support needs to be given to the children of single mothers because the truth is, that these mothers do not always use that money they gain to help the children. We also need to really just start teaching things like contraception in younger years and enough of this celibacy bs. I hate that everybody who preaches that crap starts by telling a story of how they had sex before marriage and it ruined their life. Are they really that stupid? They got the same dang speeches and guess what they said, "fuck it, I will do what I want" so guess what most of the kids are thinking when they hear that crap?..... Teach contraception so we don't have so many teenage fathers and mothers, and single mothers. Because who really thinks a 16 year old guy is ready to be a good father? You kidding me? Not saying it doesn't happen but the odds are not in favor of the teenage parents. It's best to avoid the circumstance all together.


Also I am surprised that one point that has not been brought up here is religion. I swear I am always the one bringing up this point. People must think I walk around burning the cross or something. Many religions encourage the idea of both abstinence and gender inequality. There is a place for the man and a place for the women. Really as long as religion has such an influence on people we will continue to struggle to have gender equality. The reason is that religion perpetuates the idea of one gender being above the other. It is in fact perhaps the biggest opposition to gender equality. Until people can look at the bible and other religious tenants just as a book that one should not take as law, then gender equality will continue to be undervalued.
I am sure I will think of more points later but this is good for now.

 

[acd]

Did you not read what was written afterwards. We discussed reporting her but at the end of the day nobody believes that a woman willingly flashed two men twice her size after work hours with no other witnesses. Reporting her would have gotten no where and perhaps would have resulted in allegations against us because her and other women like her have very much a pack mentality. If a man speaks out against one of them then the rest jump into to defend her and destroy that guy. If you carefully read and didnt just pick out pieces to fit your argument you would have understood this was the point. A man accusing a women of flashing gets no response from the legal system because mosy consider it harmless and because most just dont give a shit. A man flashing is like the end of the world and is taken very seriously. Going back to my story of Jane, nobody would believe that a good educated girl with a masters degree would willingly flash two men that are twice her size, after hours with no other witnesses. Let me tell you what the exact response will be as I have seen it. These two men are claiming that Sally willingly sexually harassed them after hours and I think it's a total lie. They are just threatened by her because she is a woman and might take their jobs some day. They are doing this just to ruin her reputation and they should be investigated for their own actions.

You have to remember that corporate America is not a legal system. Any equality and justice is swayed very much by who you know, not what you know. It isn't fair and these extreme feminist's know that as well and some of them work their hardest to put men down while at the same time, men do the same thing. As I advocated at the end, both types of these people need to be removed from their positions of power and a balance must be struck.

Again not all women are this way as it made it clear. Also you are jumping to extremes and making statements that werent made to fit your argument. So based of argument blacks should have just stopped getting killed by the KKK and not tried to do anything to change the standard of society? If you don't want to be killed by the KKK that don't get caught by them. Do woman have the words "I am pshycho controlling bitch who thinks she's gods gift to the world" written on her somewhere that I failed to miss. Yeah there are some visual signs but what you are advocating is just as messed up and is within the lines of what the OP suggested and what makes women say men are jerks. We try not to date these crazy women but they tend to be the most vocal and expressive about their hate of men which quickly spreads the word that a guy is a bad man because he slept with her and then realized she was crazy and left.

Plus you are saying that we should avoid a very large population of women who may have other great qualities if not for that mentality of that men should take care of them which has been drilled into their heads since they where born. Society needs to be changed to place an emphasis on equality and fair interactions within relationships. Enough of the stereotyping.

Now I don't believe many here are familiar with Greek and I know that by admitting I am a fraternity member will automatically associate me with the negative stereotypes that going along with being a fraternity member. These of course are still labeled upon us despite us having the highest GPA of any male or female organization at the University including student government, us raising the most amount for charity each year including $50,000+ each year for cancer research and us being involved in every major philanthropy work at the Unversity including rape awareness. A single allegation by a women, warented or not is enough to get our 100+ year charter pulled by the University. Our allegations of female misconduct are greates with a large amount of skepticism and again because we stupid frat boys who only know three things; drinking, women, and food. Not really equal and it's not due to a lack effort on our part, it just takes a long time to change a steryotype.

Also please stop with this men rights bs. I never once wrote that. I am calling for equal rights and treatment for men and women. You don't see it that way because you have made it very clear you have the same stereotype of men that most women. Only bitter, pathetic losers would care about such things and that the writer for this should just grow up. By making such a statement as you did you are only perpetuating the stereotype that men have to be strong and hold in their emotions and feelings because they have no value and only weak men express them. I would say that's a little unfair.

I am not trying to attack here. Just please think, wether you believe this to be true or not, more than enough men feel this way. We would never tell a woman so but we talk about it amongst ourselves. Also your statement about bad girls vs dating a good girl. I want you to think because I am not talking about those self centered girls we all know about. Would you say; that a genuinely sweet girl who likes to watch romantic comedies and is hoping that someday that a guy will show up and just sweep her off her feet, is bad? Probably not but I would because she is setting a standard that cannot be obtained. She is placing men at level of which is as unrealistic as the porn men watch. It is a fantasy world that man women have turned into a reality that they seek. Men are set to fail before they even walk in a door because they are competing with something that they can never win against. You would never say this type sweet, kind girl is bad or evil but she does have that mentality that men are supposed to chase her, pursue her, ect... Which leads to an unequal view on relationships. This is the bad I am talking about, not your usual outspoken selfish type of girl.

I read it all. My boyfriend's manager, a woman, was just recently fired for telling a staff person that she wanted to "suck" his "dick." She was reported and fired almost instantly. Why?
Because the man who she said it to didn't think it was fun.

You still could have reported your coworker.
That's the thing: You complain that things are unfair but do nothing to change it because you assume that no one will take you seriously. But I don't think you really take it seriously to begin with since it was fun.
So I'm not really clear on what you are complaining about.
I have never seen a sexual harrassment training video in any job orientation that I have ever been to that didn't state that women are capable of sexually harrassing men, too.

And I do not feel bitterness or hatred towards men, as you said. I love men. What I do hate though, is complaining about problems that can be solved by the individual taking responsibility for their own life--instead of needing to overpower another to feel free.

And I do agree with you that gender stereotypes need to be smashed.

 

[Faye]

The Western World has quietly become a civilization that undervalues men and overvalues women, where the state forcibly transfers resources from men to women creating various perverse incentives for otherwise good women to conduct great evil against men and children, and where male nature is vilified but female nature is celebrated. This is unfair to both genders, and is a recipe for a rapid civilizational decline and displacement, the costs of which will ultimately be borne by a subsequent generation of innocent women, rather than men, as soon as 2020.

I couldn't get past this without choking on its lack of touch with reality.

Even if you grant all of their premises, which we would be hard pressed to do, you still have to ask important questions regarding whether or not decline is actually happening and, if it is, whether there are other possible causes. It is too much of an assumption to say that things are going downhill without explaining why and really backing up that assertion.

 

[jimtaylor]

I never said I am bitter or hateful towards women. I just don't like women who think they can put men below them. Otherwise I have no problem with women at all though we may never see eye to eye on everything. To be honest the reason I chose not to report her was because she is a divorced mother of three kids. It would teach her a lesson but at their expense.

I read it all. My boyfriend's manager, a woman, was just recently fired for telling a staff person that she wanted to "suck" his "dick." She was reported and fired almost instantly. Why?
Because the man who she said it to didn't think it was fun.

You still could have reported your coworker.
That's the thing: You complain that things are unfair but do nothing to change it because you assume that no one will take you seriously. But I don't think you really take it seriously to begin with since it was fun.
So I'm not really clear on what you are complaining about.
I have never seen a sexual harrassment training video in any job orientation that I have ever been to that didn't state that women are capable of sexually harrassing men, too.

And I do not feel bitterness or hatred towards men, as you said. I love men. What I do hate though, is complaining about problems that can be solved by the individual taking responsibility for their own life--instead of needing to overpower another to feel free.

And I do agree with you that gender stereotypes need to be smashed.

 

[the]

I love men.

Breeder.

 

[bronson_]

does this really mean that women can control their own bodies and make their own choices, take care of their own money, and work in society just as a man, and basically do anything at all just as a man can do? oh noes, my life is meaningless now that i can no longer validate myself through the subjugation of that group on the basis of its total inferiority! oops, did i just say something misogynistic? well, i hope it doesn't damage my status or reputation, because it certainly shouldn't!

honestly, i wanted to read the whole article, but it became apparent pretty early on that its author hadn't engaged in a meaningful way with any feminist theory at all, so i don't see why i should do him the dignity. he is stuck in the past, he is a total waste of time.

In response to this, and others, the reason women are "worth more" than men, is because they have uteruses ... uteri? Whatever the plural of uterus is. Sperm is a dime a dozen. If a woman wants to have a baby, it's easy peasy. Men, not so much, we've always had to prove ourselves to get laid, much less reproduce. It's a big part of why men are so active/creative/violent/etc in their teens and 20's, compared to the rest of their life. Raging hormones, etc. A good article that covers this : http://www.psy.fsu.edu/~baumeistertice/goodaboutmen.htm

So ... when "equality" is mandated by the government in the way it is now, women are ALREADY AHEAD in that sense. Keep in mind, I don't pretend to know the answer, but I doubt you can ignore the whole uterus thing, and end up with a fair society.

I don't want to sound too reductive, humans are about more than just breeding, but if you ignore it in it's entirety, you're missing the fucking point.

One more quick aside, it's generally unwise to have masses of unsatisfied males, they're a little more unruly than women when it reaches that tipping point. I'm not pretending that's the case now, but it may be in the future. Look to china (due to the one child policy, too many men for the women), depressed inner city populations, polygamist societies, even bachelor herds. As I said before though, technology may be the key difference in this case, it will keep them satiated.

 

[bickelz]

Breeder.

Yeah, straight people! The jokes on you!

I was in the shower today and I was thinking about this thread and was kind of wondering if males are actually in decline or not. The I thought that they won't be getting as much if their in decline so maybe they'll all go bi just to show women that they don't need them either. Then we have an actual war of the sexes and our species dies off .

 

[Trifoilum]

Yeah, straight people! The jokes on you!

I was in the shower today and I was thinking about this thread and was kind of wondering if males are actually in decline or not. The I thought that they won't be getting as much if their in decline so maybe they'll all go bi just to show women that they don't need them either. Then we have an actual war of the sexes and our species dies off .

I SECOND THIS PLAN WHOLEHEARTEDLY. Just saying.