Ummm Lucifer is a reference to the morning star...
You know what I'll just cut paste
Lucifer |ˈloōsəfər|
noun
1 another name for Satan . [ORIGIN: by association with the [son of the morning] (Isa. 14:12), believed by Christian interpreters to be a reference to Satan.
So, I don't quite fathom the idea of turning the morning star into something evil (if that is the impetus of the Christian mythological directives?) - why to do this? - I am assuming
that Christian thought is mostly thinking of Satan as evil and bad. Is this, do you think
(for any and all of you) the case?
So, I don't quite fathom the idea of turning the morning star into something evil (if that is the impetus of the Christian mythological directives?) - why to do this? - I am assuming
that Christian thought is mostly thinking of Satan as evil and bad. Is this, do you think
(for any and all of you) the case?
Well according to you it's mythology.. but the morning star reference means that Lucifer was the highest in the order of angels before he fell/rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven. And since he rebelled, well, yes he is thought of in Christian theology as evil.
Well according to you it's mythology.. but the morning star reference means that Lucifer was the highest in the order of angels before he fell/rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven. And since he rebelled, well, yes he is thought of in Christian theology as evil.
So Lucifer was like Satan's name before he fell?
Main Entry: Satan Part of Speech: noun Definition: the Devil Synonyms: Angel of Darkness, Antichrist, Apollyon, archfiend, Beelzebub, demon, Diabolus, King of Hell, Lucifer, Mephistopheles, Prince of Darkness, the Evil Spirit
Satan
proper name of the supreme evil spirit in Christianity, O.E. Satan, from L.L. Satan (in Vulgate, in O.T. only), from Gk. Satanas, from Heb. satan "adversary, one who plots against another," from satan "to show enmity to, oppose, plot against," from root s-t-n "one who opposes, obstructs, or acts as an adversary." In Septuagint (Gk.) usually translated as diabolos "slanderer," lit. "one who throws (something) across" the path of another (see devil), though epiboulos "plotter" is used once.
Lucifer is a name frequently given to Satan in Christian belief. This usage as a reference to a fallen angel stems from a particular interpretation of a passage in the Bible (Isaiah 14:3-20) that speaks of someone who is given the name of "Day Star" or "Morning Star" (in Latin, Lucifer) as fallen from heaven. The same Latin word is used of the morning star in 2 Peter 1:19 and elsewhere with no relation to Satan. However, in many writings later than those of the Bible the Latin word has been used, without being translated as "Morning Star" and the like, as a proper name with which to designate Satan.
In Latin, the word "Lucifer", meaning "Light-Bringer" (from lux, lucis, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring"), is a name for the "Morning Star" (the planet Venus in its dawn appearances).[2] The Latin Vulgate version of the Bible used this word twice to refer to the Morning Star: once in 2 Peter 1:19 to translate the Greek word "Φωσφόρος" (Phosphoros),[3] which has exactly the same literal meaning of "Light-Bringer" that "Lucifer" has in Latin; and once in Isaiah 14:12 to translate "הילל" (Hêlēl), which also means "Morning Star". In the latter passage the title of "Morning Star" is given to the tyrannous Babylonian king, who the prophet says is destined to fall. This passage was later applied to the prince of the demons, and so the name "Lucifer" came to be used for Satan, and was popularized in works such as Dante Alighieri's Inferno and John Milton's Paradise Lost, but for English speakers the greatest influence has been its use in the King James Version (more modern English versions translate the term as "Morning Star" or "Day Star").
A similar passage in Ezekiel 28:11-19 regarding the "king of Tyre" was also applied to Satan, contributing to the traditional picture of Satan and his fall.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
Apparently. I think Satan means 'adversary'.So Lucifer was like Satan's name before he fell?
Makes sense when it was Lucifer or Satan who tempted Eve with knowledge or enlightenment of good and evil. This is not to say that knowledge is evil at all. It's absolutely necessary in order to have free-will.Lucifer or lightbringer is really the internal aspect of the individual psyche's that does bring light and illumination to individuating beings. It is something feared by those wanting to be in control over others, and they will often in history make up stories to make it seem like thinking for yourself is somehow evil.
Who or what is it that says he rebelled? How do stars rebel? or why? - O I am definitely primed for this discussion!
Apparently. I think Satan means 'adversary'.
Makes sense when it was Lucifer or Satan who tempted Eve with knowledge or enlightenment of good and evil. This is not to say that knowledge is evil at all. It's absolutely necessary in order to have free-will.
Since Christian theology comes from the bible, it's the bible that says he rebelled. It says he rebelled because he wanted to be God, or worshipped by the other angels as God is worshipped by them. So.. he tried to lead a rebellion of angels against God and usurp sovereignty.
I don't think when it calls him 'morning star' it literally means he was a star. it's a metaphor. What else do you want to discuss? I'm open to talk. If it's not obvious already from this, I am a Christian, so I enjoy talking about these things.
I don't see Christian theology ever allowing this Satan a voice or any Satan at all to even speak, but just a a scapegoat for the writers ( a few- the Bible is a collection of a variety of works and authors of the human kind) to refer to in order to say you should not think for yourself but accept what "we" are telling you, because "we" are "Gods" spokesmen.
The God of Judeo-Christianity. Yahweh, I AM, etc.Which God spoke and appointed them?
It's mentioned in Isaiah 14:12.I don't know how much the story of Lucifer rebelling against God and being thrown from Heaven is in the actual books of the Bible
Sadly enough, I have this book but haven't read it yet! Tell me about it?From what I know, I think a lot of the story of Lucifer and his fall can be attributed to "paradise lost" written by John Milton.
Sadly enough, I have this book but haven't read it yet! Tell me about it?
better to be a king in hell than a servant in heaven
*waits for the hornets to emerge from the kicked nest*