The INFj: Genius or Giftedness . . .

giftedness?? I assume you include some form of creative genius in your grouping of genius'

OK, Ill bite...I don't consider myself incredibly gifted. I am far too humble, as most people say to me. What I know about my creative genius is only from outside opinion, not of my own. So according to a group of my peers I am amazing, in my writing style, and art style.

So how do I demonstrate it on an everyday basis? I don't, I hide it...

 

Explain by what you mean by "gifted," and how you measure "genius." Did you have to be enrolled in the gifted program at school (decided by a 1 hour standardized test that could be studied and learned by anyone willing to put in the extra effort) or do you need a certain IQ?

I think I'm above-average in intelligence with an IQ of 132, for example, but does that make me a genius? What would I have to do to be considered gifted?

 

Meh, i don't really consider myself anything because 1) everybody is good at something, IQ tests are limited to certain things and 2) I really don't like boasting about my virtues, from other peoples perspective I'm seen weirdly smart(tested 141), I really try to avoid any sort of conversation about it though.

 

I think the beauty of "genious" or "giftedness" is that it can't be defined. People who are that way, know their virtues and knowing what they themselves are worth---and using it to the better of others and world, is enough. You don't need to show it. (I guess, you can also say, for some people---it may take time to even have others understand their gift)

 

I've been considered "gifted" for as long as I can remember. Right now, I'm enrolled in a residential high school for gifted students, and my SAT stands at a 2020 (backed behind about a good week of studying).

So I don't know what I would say. I'm around other "gifted" students and people almost constantly. I haven't had too much trouble relating to others because of my giftedness; in fact, I'd say I understand them better because of it. It's never been difficult for me to understand situations in-depth, and I've never really had to try too hard except in a select few things (which was probably abnormally frustrating because of that).

The biggest thing, I would say, is the difficulty of trying to get others to understand what's important to me. I've always felt really disconnected and disinterested with "everyday life" -- the concept of just being happy where you are mystifies me. I'm never content with being where I am. I've got this insatiable, P-like appetite for anything different and interesting and profound.

So, I would say that relating to others isn't so much a problem as the restlessness I constantly feel with my situation.

 

I think genius is outside of us. It's something we can tune into, but it doesn't belong to us, so to take pride in moments of inspiration is perhaps erroneous. I'd rather just be glad for my transient moments of brilliance; thankful that I caught the muse of the moment, which I think is there for anyone to tap into. As for giftedness, I think natural talent is overrated in comparison with skill developed through hard work.
The few evident examples where a 'gift' seems to be inborn would more likely convince me that there are past lives, and that in a past life, the 'gifted' soul worked particularly hard to become proficient in a skill, and that perhaps the 'gift' was in the soul's ability to retain that hard won ability in a subsequent incarnation.

Well anything's possible.

 

Genius/Gifted,

These terms come to life when you compare the accomplishments two or more people. Due to this you would assume that these people you're comparing are similar in one or more areas they spend time/effort on. After all without any physical action at all you would never be able label someone as "genius" or "gifted".

The term genius and gifted relies solely one what fields in life you consider more important than others. After you decide that, you then compare the accomplishments of the people in that/those field(s).

Personally I care about the creativity and passion of a person. Those that are more adept at these fields I consider more important to the cause of the procreation of ideas & experiences. Those that have the most effect with their creativity and passion rank among my idea of genius or gifted (ex. Alexander the great, Famous Philosophers/Psychologist, Einstein, Tesla, etc).

In terms of myself being a genius, I don't know. I'll just list off a bunch of things I know about myself.

Some people think my IQ and EQ is high.

I've understood and thought of many theories of Nietzsche, Jung, and the core ideas of various religions when I was a teenage without ever reading any of their work.

I can see social structures and analyze them on spot.

I can see the nature's (trees,citys,etc) shape and view it from many perspectives including as an organic mass, it's emotions, it's idea, etc.

I store every detail I notice in my mind and create many databases to reach into for further judging as well as theory creation.

I use visualization to open up paths in my mind that I did not have access to before.

I use visualization to speed up my database correlations within my mind by assigning feelings to various sectors of information and then feelings in the individual pieces of data. This allows fusion, comparison and further theory development that was unavailable before due to distance/time.

I use visualization to personally destroy and kill parts of myself that inspires fear.

I can and usually do view myself from a 3rd person and I am always monitoring what I do, feel and think.

I am one person but within me I am many people. This council of myself, communicate with one another and come to conclusions together on harder decisions/theory/planning/etc (the council is made up of about 9). On easier decisions/theory/planning/etc they usually make the decision themselves or have one of two others talk with them if it relates to them. Each of the these aspects of myself govern their own specialty area. All of them however works together of goal of truly understanding various ideas as well as achieving personal and physical goals. When one is out line the others can restrain another. If one is no longer and will not comply with the over all goals of the others, the others will destroy or weaken that one to the point they no longer have a say in the council.

This council has allowed me to do many things one of which is to temporary change into another personality type to unlock mental/thinking/emotions structures that was not available to me as an INFJ. The extent to that ability so far is INTJ, INTP, INFP, INFJ, ENFJ.

The universe works together to create and destroy and my body and mind does the same.

Worthy note- I did not know what was left or what was right till about the age of 16.

 

All it seems to do is make people understand and like the person less.

 

All of existence, living and non living is an experience. The idea of being a complete individual is in my opinion a lie. We are all something else other than ourselves as our environment affects/inspires/teaches us.

 

Per definition you are not gifted nor a genius. However there are certain aspects IQ tests can't test very well, they are generally poor at testing communicative skills, how good you are at verbalizing your thoughts, ones thought process when it comes to more abstract concepts and philosophical topics.

Per se IQ tests generally favor the mathematically strong, that's at least my impression after having taken countless tests in my youth, which in turn gives a half finished picture of your overall intelligence, imo anyway.

You can't really evaluate ones overall intelligence properly with a questionnaire, but it can give you a certain indication of how well your brain deals with various problems.

I consider myself a much better judge of how intelligent someone are than any IQ tests out there, however I have yet to meet anyone with vastly superior intelligence, in which case my own intelligence would be a limiting factor in evaluating his/hers intelligence.

 

I never said it did not exist, I said complete individuality (absolute individuality) is probably a lie.

Even under your perspective/interpretation of my comment/opinion, something would still exist. Something does not have to be absolutely unique to be of existence or of value.