Eh...not in the cases I’ve witnessed.
Or in my own case.
If we defer to authority it’s not due to any respect for a power structure I feel, but more that we tend to not want such roles ourselves and the headaches that come with them, lol.
But we will step up when called and if needed.
And it’s not so much established social rules, but established personal moral rules we apply to ourselves.
They are usually pro-social due to the fact that we tend to empathize with others more than a lot of types imo.
As for eccentricity vs rebellious...I really don’t think you can compartmentalize the spectrum of the type as one more than the other....I’ve seen good examples of both.
If you base it purely on law-breaking behavior then you are probably correct that INFJs are probably a small percentage of the prison population...but that’s just cause we can’t be caught....jk....lololol.
No, I understand what you meant better now with further explanation...status quo - maintaining social order or “glue” makes more sense....but it’s still not quite right as it implies that we are not constantly pushing for progress, for improvement, a better system, a more human system, etc. when that is something that is very important to me anyhow.
( I’m not speaking for all INFJs)
When we perceive a situation to be detrimental to ourselves or especially to others any respect for authority goes right out the window if they are the culprits....my SO brought down the entire management and forced the Head Manager to resign where she used to work after they started doing shit that would have impacted patients under their care.
When I assisted with surgery I had no issue saying something to any RN or any Surgeon if I felt they were being sloppy or dangerous to the patient in any way shape of form - they trust us in the OR to be their voice as they are anesthetized and cannot speak up.
I’ve had several conflicts where I've had no qualms being assertive or aggressive when need be.
I agree with the people pleasing...some have more of an issue with it than others...same with saying “no”.
I people please with those I love or care about or value....but other than that not so much, I learned a long time ago to not give a flying fuck about those who don’t know me or care about me, haha...I have boundaries though as far as not letting people walk all over me, even for those I love.
I was quite rebellious as a teen...not eccentric, if only...it would have saved a lot of headaches and trouble for my parents and me, haha.
So...some INFJs on this forum are quite a bit more strait-laced, both now and in their past....some have rebellious pasts, some eccentric.
Yes, I do, too, even living inside myself. I think INFJs are always caught in between.
INFPs are more the "free spirit" and "refuse to be categorized" type, though. INFJs are on a life-long expedition to find where they fit, always introspective and looking for clues and answers.
Also, I don’t think “individualistic” means someone doesn’t want to be categorized.
I think INFJs support individuality perhaps more than most Fe users which is still a very pro-social value system. Pro-social values tend to want to keep things together and with a sense of order and harmony. Perhaps the label “status-quo” is a little misleading. I’ve typed that group with the label “glue” before. Like keeping social fabrics together
I agree.
INFJs are a paradox. I feel the pull between individuality and being polite and keeping everyone happy. I think people who thrive as one or the other are more successful at the one they choose. LOL.
I also think Trump is an ESTP.
I think that we should keep in mind that being an INFJ or any other type is only a base of generalities to build upon and that personalities vary wildly in any MBTI category.
Also, the process of individuation that we all go through is a good explanation of how our perceptions and values change throughout our lives.
As for being “individualistic”...to an extent I think.
Having a minority POV, that was more a forced role than one many would gladly take...especially when you are a child and trying to fit in.
You can grow to embrace it and learn to make it part of your life or career.
Or vice-versa...
I believe we are always trying to find our authentic self...and we value authenticity in others...this also is synonymous with being honest.
One reason I can’t stand people like Trump, to bring it all back around, lol.
You think Trump is a “T”?
He seems to make a lot of decisions based on his out of control emotions....and is very negatively emotionally almost constantly....seems to be inspired by either anger/hate or fear mostly and not much clear thought.
But maybe that’s just the cocaine?
Anyhow...those are my two cents.
Much love!
