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Presidential candidate discussion for 2016

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Thoughts and ideas about who the best candidate will be. This should probably be limited to conservative or libertarian candidates as a result.

Im glad to see Trump taking 2016 seriously this time. I have always thought America could benefit from a business man. Hes already running out of the gate and its going to be great to see what he has to say over the several months. Not hearing enough from Carson or Paul. Whereas we are hearing way to much from Jeb. Jeb go away please. Speaking of going away it seems as if Hillary is on a fast slope to insignificance as greater numbers of her misguided supporters are seeing her for what she is. Untrustworthy.
 
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Thoughts and ideas about who the best candidate will be. This should probably be limited to conservative or libertarian candidates as a result.

Im glad to see Trump taking 2016 seriously this time. I have always thought America could benefit from a business man. Hes already running out of the gate and its going to be great to see what he has to say over the several months. Not hearing enough from Carson or Paul. Whereas we are hearing way to much from Jeb. Jeb go away please. Speaking of going away it seems as if Hillary is on a fast slope to insignificance as greater numbers of her misguided supporters are seeing her for what she is. Untrustworthy.

Unfortunately it turns out that its generally the exact people who shouldn't be allowed to do the job who want to do it.
Id have to say I dont really think any of them will make the type of President we really need but...I dont see anyone who I really relate to standing up to do it.
So we are again left with the lesser of evils which in the end is what I am really rooting for because I dont have any other option.
 
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Unfortunately it turns out that its generally the exact people who shouldn't be allowed to do the job who want to do it.
Id have to say I dont really think any of them will make the type of President we really need but...I dont see anyone who I really relate to standing up to do it.
So we are again left with the lesser of evils which in the end is what I am really rooting for because I dont have any other option.


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Unfortunately it turns out that its generally the exact people who shouldn't be allowed to do the job who want to do it.
Id have to say I dont really think any of them will make the type of President we really need but...I dont see anyone who I really relate to standing up to do it.
So we are again left with the lesser of evils which in the end is what I am really rooting for because I dont have any other option.

you do have other options

You have many options

You could choose not to vote at all which would then help to remove any claim that the emergent winner could have that they represent the US people

Imagine if they only get a tiny percentage of the population to vote for them...they cannot claim to have a democratic mandate

This then leaves the road open to grass roots efforts from the people at organising that could then claim greater legitimacy; we could literally ignore their system out of existence whilst creating our own to replace it

But if you absolutely had to vote you could vote for the pirate party to give a bigger voice to internet freedoms

But voting for any of the major politicians is not voting for the 'lesser of two evils' it is voting for exactly the same thing because they are all controlled at the top by the same monied interests....so don't kid yourself that your vote would count for anything
 
Recently Jeb Bush has been quoted as saying Americans need to work more hours.
Republicans need to distance themselves from him like the plague. Its an affront to
my intelligence hes being offered as a viable canadite.
Trump on the other hand has surprised me with his straight foward talk. Clearly unconcerned with the bs PC talk you can hear coming out of almost every politicians mouth. Hes nailed one of the problems with our southern border. My only complaint is that its placing focus on only ONE of the problems.
 
Bernie Sanders Yo, he all like Socialism up in this bitch, or maybe Rand Paul wut with his states rights and shit.
 
Have been hoping Elizabeth Warren will jump in the race at some point, otherwise Bernie seems like an ok option.
 
As long as the candidates their campaigns are paid for by corporations, they will work for them and not the people...
 
My three: Huckabee appeals to the aging population. Carson is too weak/soft of a personality. Trump is my top contender.
 
My three: Huckabee appeals to the aging population. Carson is too weak/soft of a personality. Trump is my top contender.

Carson is kind of a disappointment because of that. I also think we could benefit from an...above average intelligent President. But we have given chances to Presidents who dont measure up for reasons of far greater concern fairly consistently.
I like Trump as well but am beginning to question if he actually thinks about what he says before he says it. :)
 
Carson is kind of a disappointment because of that. I also think we could benefit from an...above average intelligent President. But we have given chances to Presidents who dont measure up for reasons of far greater concern fairly consistently.
I like Trump as well but am beginning to question if he actually thinks about what he says before he says it. :)

What appeals to me about Trump: his dirt is already on the table, living in Arizona that has first hand problems with exhaustion of resources due to undocumented workers I dig most of his stance on immigration, I think he would be the most transparent President, he has far larger network of professionals to lend opinions on "issues" at his disposal, I do believe you would see change immediately from him, etc.

It is extremely easy for people to think he is racist and a xenophobe when they do not live in a state where the problems outweigh the solutions. Arizona has a 40% increase in kids in foster care since 2013, which brings the total around 15,000 in Maricopa County alone (so this is not counting all those kids who crossed the border and are housed in Nogales.) No one wants to talk about where these numbers are coming from, like it is a big secret or fear of appearing racist. Some are being shipped in from other states, such as Texas b/c those states don't have the resources either. It is a huge mess that people want to clean up, but are unable b/c the root problem exists. Why do you see Arizona schools ranked the worst in the USA? B/c they have to deal with a flood of ESOL kids who might not have ever been to school, etc. They don't have the resources to help these kids or families. Illegal aliens cannot get government help if they are in an impoverished situation #1 b/c they do not qualify and #2 they fear deportation if they seek help.

I do believe if a family has been residing in the USA for a specified period of time (let's just say 5 years) and they are contributing to society, that the pathway to documented status be granted. You have to be able to open the economic doors for these people so they can pull themselves out of drowning. At the same time, I believe automatic citizenship not be granted to "anchor babies." Contrary to popular belief, people don't immigrate to the USA to mooch off the system ... they immigrate for better quality of life. The same exact manner as our forefathers. This is one of the reasons I am so highly against socialist views. This country was founded on the ability to make choices, our solutions are granting people the opportunity to do so.
 
Rather than build a wall and make Mexico pay for it, why not imprison those who hire undocumented migrants?

I heard Roger Stone, who recently quit Trumps campaign, talking about why Trump is not like Bush or Clinton, whom he sees as basically the same, on a Podcast (http://krpoliticaljunkie.com/episode-89/) last week and found it difficult not to share in his enthusiasm.
 
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What appeals to me about Trump: his dirt is already on the table, living in Arizona that has first hand problems with exhaustion of resources due to undocumented workers I dig most of his stance on immigration, I think he would be the most transparent President, he has far larger network of professionals to lend opinions on "issues" at his disposal, I do believe you would see change immediately from him, etc.

It is extremely easy for people to think he is racist and a xenophobe when they do not live in a state where the problems outweigh the solutions. Arizona has a 40% increase in kids in foster care since 2013, which brings the total around 15,000 in Maricopa County alone (so this is not counting all those kids who crossed the border and are housed in Nogales.) No one wants to talk about where these numbers are coming from, like it is a big secret or fear of appearing racist. Some are being shipped in from other states, such as Texas b/c those states don't have the resources either. It is a huge mess that people want to clean up, but are unable b/c the root problem exists. Why do you see Arizona schools ranked the worst in the USA? B/c they have to deal with a flood of ESOL kids who might not have ever been to school, etc. They don't have the resources to help these kids or families. Illegal aliens cannot get government help if they are in an impoverished situation #1 b/c they do not qualify and #2 they fear deportation if they seek help.

I do believe if a family has been residing in the USA for a specified period of time (let's just say 5 years) and they are contributing to society, that the pathway to documented status be granted. You have to be able to open the economic doors for these people so they can pull themselves out of drowning. At the same time, I believe automatic citizenship not be granted to "anchor babies." Contrary to popular belief, people don't immigrate to the USA to mooch off the system ... they immigrate for better quality of life. The same exact manner as our forefathers. This is one of the reasons I am so highly against socialist views. This country was founded on the ability to make choices, our solutions are granting people the opportunity to do so.

I dont see Trump as racist at all. He is transparent and that is absolutely a plus. Still I think he could absolutely benefit from thinking before he speaks. The more Trump talks the more I feel like I am settling for the lesser of evils again. As if, this is really the best we can do for a candidate? But then again I believe this of most people anyway. I have no problem with giving people a path to citizenship. There is already one in place. Many people take that course, it isnt easy, I have known a few. Its a long process tied up in places it shouldn't be. But that is our government and it applies to all aspects of it. So, immigration reform, lets absolutely work on it and make it better. Right now we are punishing the people following the law and rewarding those that dont.
I will tell you the more that the Hispanic element stands up and says "You better not say anything bad about illegals," it absolutely pushes me in the direction of wanting to let them know just how kind America has been to them so far but at the same time let them know they cant just come into this country unannounced and expect to be welcomed.

Its sad that I have not seen a Presidential candidate who I have ever thought of as Presidential since I could vote. I do not suppose it will get any better going into the future.
 
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As a Canadian, I want to see Trump win.
I think maybe if I were an American...I might also want to see Trump win.

But really, it's just for shits and giggles...and I'm bitter about our own upcoming election.
 
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August 20 at 2:37pm · Edited ·

(WR) ***Defending Trump!?!?***

We have been critical of Donald Trump at UA, but facts are stubborn things...

It seems that mocking and disparaging Donald Trump has become more in vogue than disseminating the truth. Well, almost anything these days is more in vogue than disseminating truth.

He is correct that birthright citizenship was never ordained with the consent of the governed.

The doctrine of "birthright citizenship" is no where to be found in the Constitution. The 13th, 14th and 15th (Civil War Amendments) were promulgated to protect the newly freed slaves and to emphasize that they are in fact CITIZENS of the United States and privy to the same natural and constitutional rights as any other citizen. It's no coincidence that the citizenship clause is within the 14th amendment that also includes the Equal Protection Clause. Prior to the amendment, if one was a citizen of a state, there were also a citizen of the US. The states decided to nationalize the issue, because they feared that some states would not recognize the newly freed slaves as citizens.

Here is the wording of the clause: "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF, are citizens of the United States" (emphasis mine).

It's as if the Court and politicians can elide completely any mention of jurisdiction, as if it were to say "all persons born or naturalized in the United States... are citizens of the United States," with one glaring problem: it doesn't.

The author of the clause--Senator Jacob Howard of Michigan--made clear in the halls of Congress its intent. He explains the part about jurisdiction was meant to exclude "persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to families of ambassadors or foreign ministers," and that "jurisdiction" meant "full and complete jurisdiction."

This was as understood by Congress and the people as thoroughly as Howard's speeches were disseminated to the public at the time.

In 1873, five years after its passage, the U.S. Attorney General in a legal opinion explained that the term "jurisdiction" meant "absolute and complete jurisdiction" excluding aliens, even aliens born on American soil. The clause even excluded Native Americans (who, at the time a majority had little desire to be an American citizen).

The desideratum of "absolute" jurisdiction excludes any children who might owe allegiance to another sovereign (in Mexico, any children born anywhere to Mexican citizen parents are Mexican citizens by birth), such as children that are subjects of any foreign government as SCOTUS explained in 1884.

Foreign citizens cannot bestow jurisdiction on their children merely by giving birth within the geographic boundaries of the United States, only with the consent of the sovereign people can they be conferred jurisdiction.

It wasn't until 1898 in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, that the "separate but equal" court (Jim Crow), held that any child born in the US of LEGAL immigrant parents with "permanent" residence in the United States are guaranteed citizenship under the 14th Amendment. A narrow exception would be for children of diplomats.

There is zero precedent for allowing citizenship to children born to illegal alien parents. Article 1, section 8, clause 4 gives plenary power to Congress over naturalization and jurisdiction. The executive and judiciary don't have the power to decide the issue.

Does this provide incentives for people to immigrate here illegally and grant their newborn automatic jurisdiction in the US?

You decide.

Note: Whether or not you or I like the law is irrelevant. These are the facts.

The only two developed countries that confer birthright citizenship are the US and Canada. They others must be run by the white patriarchy and are evil monsters.
 
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I do like Trump's views in regards to Homeland Security and Foreign Policy. But you're right. He seems to be hyperfocusing on immigration, probably because of the strong reaction it creates among Americans; it's a key issue that brings out the fight in people. Anger always draws a crowd.

Anyway, there's still time. I'll wait and see who else will be throwing their hat(s) into the ring.