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Strange how 4 people are facing prison time now...not only that but they plead “guilty” in dirty election dealings with Russians and Russian spies while in the Trump campaign.
Sure...it’s all a big hoax...and yes, ( ;) ) you are so incredible at separating fiction from reality...you live in a fictional world 100% of the time it seems.
Sorry but that simply does not coincide with the facts. The people facing jail are all co-conspirators against the US. Because by falsely attacking a sitting President for political gain...I am not sure if you can call that anything other than treason.

But I tell you what Skarekrow, lets sit back and continue to watch. So far everything Ive said or guessed at is actually happening. Ill admit Flynn admitting he gave a false statement to the FBI threw me for a loop. But theres nothing to say hes not in on the attack of Trump. If not, he seems to have acted on his own.
But yeah, lets sit back and watch it all unfold..or perhaps crumble is a better term to use.
 
I don't have any guns. Plenty of law biding Americans agree that the President could not have violated federal laws in taking help from a foreign and adversarial state, one that appears to be a kleptocracy. And then there are those who don't see the harm in a candidate using a foreign espionage agency to further their candidacy. I have a problem with both of those things, but not with those who don't see it.
Most of the stuff I have posted is from verifiably honorable reporters. The Podcast I posted presents the argument that the "collusion" never happened.
But honestly tell me that Trump is behaving like an innocent man. Because that is not what it looks like from my perspective.
Oh and by the way, the Clinton's can't simultaneously be criminal masterminds manipulating the nation and bumbling fools who couldn't accomplish anything.
 
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Sorry but that simply does not coincide with the facts. The people facing jail are all co-conspirators against the US. Because by falsely attacking a sitting President for political gain...I am not sure if you can call that anything other than treason.

But I tell you what Skarekrow, lets sit back and continue to watch. So far everything Ive said or guessed at is actually happening. Ill admit Flynn admitting he gave a false statement to the FBI threw me for a loop. But theres nothing to say hes not in on the attack of Trump. If not, he seems to have acted on his own.
But yeah, lets sit back and watch it all unfold..or perhaps crumble is a better term to use.

Which facts are those?
How many ties to Russians...not just Russians, but fucking spies and people directly connected to the Kremlin, etc. do you need before it’s even slightly suspicious in your eyes? Seriously? What would convince you that there is justification in investigating Trump in such a way?
I honestly would like to know where your bar is set?
So far everything you’ve guessed has come true?
Where do you make such “guesses”?
Did you dream this maybe?
Do you yell at the TV when you are alone?

I’m willing to wait and see what the investigation turns up...you know that every tiny thing about said investigatory report will be more than just highly scrutinized, they will have to have some pretty solid shit and I’m pretty sure they are aware of that.
So I ask again...what would convince you?
Or ... if your mind is made up then just say so and don’t beat around the bush.
 
Oh my goodness!
How strange.
Who would have thought...or would have “guessed”?
lol


13 Russians charged with meddling in 2016 presidential race
Here are the legal charges filed -
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4380517-Russia-probe-indictments.html


WASHINGTON (AP) — In an extraordinary indictment, the U.S. special counsel accused 13 Russians Friday of an elaborate plot to disrupt the 2016 presidential election, charging them with running a huge but hidden social media trolling campaign aimed in part at helping Republican Donald Trump defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton.

The federal indictment, brought by special counsel Robert Mueller, represents the most detailed allegations to date of illegal Russian meddling during the campaign that sent Trump to the White House. It also marks the first criminal charges against Russians believed to have secretly worked to influence the outcome.

The Russian organization was funded by Yevgeny Prigozhin, the indictment says. He is a wealthy St. Petersburg businessman with ties to the Russian government and President Vladimir Putin.

Trump quickly claimed vindication Friday, noting in a tweet that the alleged interference efforts began in 2014 — "long before I announced that I would run for President."

"The results of the election were not impacted. The Trump campaign did nothing wrong — no collusion!" he tweeted.

But the indictment does not resolve the collusion question at the heart of the continuing Mueller probe, which before Friday had produced charges against four Trump associates. U.S. intelligence agencies have previously said the Russian government interfered to benefit Trump, including by orchestrating the hacking of Democratic emails, and Mueller has been assessing whether the campaign coordinated with the Kremlin.

The latest indictment does not focus on the hacking but instead centers on a social media propaganda effort that began in 2014 and continued past the election, with the goal of producing distrust in the American political process. Trump himself has been reluctant to acknowledge the interference and any role that it might have played in propelling him to the White House.

The indictment does not allege that any American knowingly participated in Russian meddling, or suggest that Trump campaign associates had more than "unwitting" contact with some of the defendants who posed as Americans during election season. It does lay out a vast and wide-ranging effort to sway political opinion in the United States.

The 13 Russians are not in custody and not likely to ever face trial. The Justice Department has increasingly favored indicting foreign defendants in absentia as a way of publicly shaming them and effectively barring them from foreign travel.

The Russian group's strategy included purchasing internet advertisements in the names of Americans whose identities it had stolen, staging political rallies while posing as American political activists and paying people in the U.S. to promote or disparage candidates.

"This indictment serves as a reminder that people are not always who they appear to be on the internet," Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said Friday. "The indictment alleges that the Russian conspirators want to promote discord in the United States and undermine public confidence in democracy. We must not allow them to succeed."

The surreptitious campaign was organized by the Internet Research Agency, a notorious Russian troll farm that the indictment says sought to conduct "information warfare against the United States of America."

The company, among three Russian entities named in the indictment, had a multimillion-dollar budget and hundreds of workers divided by specialties and assigned to day and night shifts. According to the indictment, the company was funded by companies controlled by Prigozhin, the wealthy Russian who has been dubbed "Putin's chef" because his restaurants and catering businesses have hosted the Kremlin leader's dinners with foreign dignitaries.

Prigozhin said Friday he was not upset by the indictment.

"Americans are very impressionable people," he was quoted as saying by Russia's state news agency. They "see what they want to see."

The election-meddling organization, looking to conceal its Russian roots, purchased space on computer servers within the U.S., used email accounts from U.S. internet service providers and took control of social media pages on divisive issues such as immigration, religion and the Black Lives Matter movement.

Starting in April 2016, the indictment says, the Russian agency bought political ads on social media supporting Trump and opposing Clinton without reporting expenditures to the Federal Election Commission or registering as foreign agents. Among the ads: "JOIN our #HillaryClintonForPrison2016" and "Donald wants to defeat terrorism ... Hillary wants to sponsor it."

The indictment details contacts targeting three unnamed officials in the Trump campaign's Florida operation. In each instance, the Russians used false U.S. personas to contact the officials. The indictment doesn't say if any of them responded.

Two of the defendants traveled to the U.S. in June 2014 to gather intelligence on social media sites and identify targets for their operations, the indictment alleges. Following the trip, the group collected further intelligence by contacting U.S. political and social media activists while posing as U.S. citizens. They were guided by one contact to target "purple states like Colorado, Virginia and Florida," prosecutors say.

"They engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump."

Cruz and Rubio ran against Trump in the Republican primary; Sanders opposed Clinton in the Democratic primary.

According to one internal communication described by prosecutors, the specialists were instructed to "use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump_we support them)." And according to one internal review, a specialist was criticized for having a low number of posts criticizing Clinton. The person was told "it is imperative to intensify criticizing Hillary Clinton" in future posts.

The indictment also asserts that the posts encouraged minority groups not to vote or to vote for third parties and alleged Democratic voter fraud.

Ahead of a Florida rally, the Russians paid one person to build a cage on a flatbed truck and another to wear a costume portraying Clinton in a prison uniform. But they also organized some rallies opposing Trump, including one in New York after the election called "Trump is NOT my president."

The Russians destroyed evidence of their activities as Mueller's investigation picked up, with one of those indicted sending an email in September 2017 to a family member that said the FBI had "busted" them so they were covering their tracks.

That person, Irina Viktorovna Kaverzina, wrote the family member: "I created all of these pictures and posts, and the Americans believed that it was written by their people."
 
Oh my goodness!
How strange.
Who would have thought...or would have “guessed”?
lol


13 Russians charged with meddling in 2016 presidential race
Here are the legal charges filed -
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4380517-Russia-probe-indictments.html


WASHINGTON (AP) — In an extraordinary indictment, the U.S. special counsel accused 13 Russians Friday of an elaborate plot to disrupt the 2016 presidential election, charging them with running a huge but hidden social media trolling campaign aimed in part at helping Republican Donald Trump defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton.

The federal indictment, brought by special counsel Robert Mueller, represents the most detailed allegations to date of illegal Russian meddling during the campaign that sent Trump to the White House. It also marks the first criminal charges against Russians believed to have secretly worked to influence the outcome.

The Russian organization was funded by Yevgeny Prigozhin, the indictment says. He is a wealthy St. Petersburg businessman with ties to the Russian government and President Vladimir Putin.

Trump quickly claimed vindication Friday, noting in a tweet that the alleged interference efforts began in 2014 — "long before I announced that I would run for President."

"The results of the election were not impacted. The Trump campaign did nothing wrong — no collusion!" he tweeted.

But the indictment does not resolve the collusion question at the heart of the continuing Mueller probe, which before Friday had produced charges against four Trump associates. U.S. intelligence agencies have previously said the Russian government interfered to benefit Trump, including by orchestrating the hacking of Democratic emails, and Mueller has been assessing whether the campaign coordinated with the Kremlin.

The latest indictment does not focus on the hacking but instead centers on a social media propaganda effort that began in 2014 and continued past the election, with the goal of producing distrust in the American political process. Trump himself has been reluctant to acknowledge the interference and any role that it might have played in propelling him to the White House.

The indictment does not allege that any American knowingly participated in Russian meddling, or suggest that Trump campaign associates had more than "unwitting" contact with some of the defendants who posed as Americans during election season. It does lay out a vast and wide-ranging effort to sway political opinion in the United States.

The 13 Russians are not in custody and not likely to ever face trial. The Justice Department has increasingly favored indicting foreign defendants in absentia as a way of publicly shaming them and effectively barring them from foreign travel.

The Russian group's strategy included purchasing internet advertisements in the names of Americans whose identities it had stolen, staging political rallies while posing as American political activists and paying people in the U.S. to promote or disparage candidates.

"This indictment serves as a reminder that people are not always who they appear to be on the internet," Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said Friday. "The indictment alleges that the Russian conspirators want to promote discord in the United States and undermine public confidence in democracy. We must not allow them to succeed."

The surreptitious campaign was organized by the Internet Research Agency, a notorious Russian troll farm that the indictment says sought to conduct "information warfare against the United States of America."

The company, among three Russian entities named in the indictment, had a multimillion-dollar budget and hundreds of workers divided by specialties and assigned to day and night shifts. According to the indictment, the company was funded by companies controlled by Prigozhin, the wealthy Russian who has been dubbed "Putin's chef" because his restaurants and catering businesses have hosted the Kremlin leader's dinners with foreign dignitaries.

Prigozhin said Friday he was not upset by the indictment.

"Americans are very impressionable people," he was quoted as saying by Russia's state news agency. They "see what they want to see."

The election-meddling organization, looking to conceal its Russian roots, purchased space on computer servers within the U.S., used email accounts from U.S. internet service providers and took control of social media pages on divisive issues such as immigration, religion and the Black Lives Matter movement.

Starting in April 2016, the indictment says, the Russian agency bought political ads on social media supporting Trump and opposing Clinton without reporting expenditures to the Federal Election Commission or registering as foreign agents. Among the ads: "JOIN our #HillaryClintonForPrison2016" and "Donald wants to defeat terrorism ... Hillary wants to sponsor it."

The indictment details contacts targeting three unnamed officials in the Trump campaign's Florida operation. In each instance, the Russians used false U.S. personas to contact the officials. The indictment doesn't say if any of them responded.

Two of the defendants traveled to the U.S. in June 2014 to gather intelligence on social media sites and identify targets for their operations, the indictment alleges. Following the trip, the group collected further intelligence by contacting U.S. political and social media activists while posing as U.S. citizens. They were guided by one contact to target "purple states like Colorado, Virginia and Florida," prosecutors say.

"They engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump."

Cruz and Rubio ran against Trump in the Republican primary; Sanders opposed Clinton in the Democratic primary.

According to one internal communication described by prosecutors, the specialists were instructed to "use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump_we support them)." And according to one internal review, a specialist was criticized for having a low number of posts criticizing Clinton. The person was told "it is imperative to intensify criticizing Hillary Clinton" in future posts.

The indictment also asserts that the posts encouraged minority groups not to vote or to vote for third parties and alleged Democratic voter fraud.

Ahead of a Florida rally, the Russians paid one person to build a cage on a flatbed truck and another to wear a costume portraying Clinton in a prison uniform. But they also organized some rallies opposing Trump, including one in New York after the election called "Trump is NOT my president."

The Russians destroyed evidence of their activities as Mueller's investigation picked up, with one of those indicted sending an email in September 2017 to a family member that said the FBI had "busted" them so they were covering their tracks.

That person, Irina Viktorovna Kaverzina, wrote the family member: "I created all of these pictures and posts, and the Americans believed that it was written by their people."
Keep feeding off the spin. In the end, when the truth is there for all to see I wonder how youll react.
 
Keep feeding off the spin. In the end, when the truth is there for all to see I wonder how youll react.
So you’ve made up your mind already then I see.
Discussion over I guess.
 
So you’ve made up your mind already then I see.
Discussion over I guess.
I keep an open mind. But at the same time its easy for me to see whats likely crap and whats not. So far, Ive been right. Your liberal media is desperate to damage Trump in any way possible. They keep sucking the funny juice even after their head is cut off just like the ticks they are.
Its not looking good for people pushing the collution story on Trump. Not at all.
 
donald trump isnt the worst president to be honest. we have had some real assholes as president man


fuck 17th president andrew johnson, im glad that bitch was impeached
Trump may go down in history as the best President of the 21st century. Hes easily got the lead at this point.
 
donald trump isnt the worst president to be honest. we have had some real assholes as president man


fuck 17th president andrew johnson, im glad that bitch was impeached
It would take too long to unpack why but

James Buchanan was an empty suit

William McKinley was an imperialist scumbag

Woodrow Wilson was a massive hypocrite

Harry Truman was a racist countrified goober who ruined the 20th century for everyone
 
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I low-key know you're a secret Democrat.
No. Not at all. Poor sad fools had their brains baked by the sun.
 
Oprah claims Trump is eroding respect for the US around the world. - No you poor sad befuddled woman, thats something Obama did. Trump for as unconventional as he is repairs and builds respect for our great nation.

Obama on Foxnews viewers, "You are living on a different planet." Wow, finally Obama says something thats fact based. Its true. They live on the planet of reality while all of the drones that voted for you live on a planet make believe.
 
While proven to be fake news outlets like CNN and MsNbc try desperately to get theirs drones to believe their lies there are real news outlets still reporting on just the facts.


The Trump Presidency: A Success Story
Liz Mair • Dec. 21, 2017, at 10:55 a.m.


What would you say if I told you that Donald Trump is one step away from securing a legacy as the most successful first-year president ever?

U.S News





The fact is for as mired in all the attackers excrement as Trump is, hes still proven to be one of Americas best Presidents ever for doing nothing other than putting Americas interest first.
 
Like I said...your mind is made up.
I ask one more time - what could Mueller possibly show you evidence-wise that would sway you?
I doubt there is anything.
Pour more cement in your ear.
You can try and proclaim Trump to be the best POTUS ever...just makes you sound silly.
Again, I guess we are done with any so-called “discussion” to be had...lol.
 
I can't wait til this investigation is over. I just hope it can continue unhampered by politics from either side.
Seems we are in agreement on this one thing.
However I would add for myself that once it is over people are held accountable to the full extent of the law.
 
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Seems we are in agreement on this one thing.
However I would add for myself that once it is over people are held accountable to the full extent of the law.

That includes anyone that isn’t a “liberal” or “democrat” also right?
 
Like I said...your mind is made up.
I ask one more time - what could Mueller possibly show you evidence-wise that would sway you?
I doubt there is anything.
Pour more cement in your ear.
You can try and proclaim Trump to be the best POTUS ever...just makes you sound silly.
Again, I guess we are done with any so-called “discussion” to be had...lol.
Yes of course he could show evidence that would sway me. So long as its not based on circumstantial or sketchy piecing together of facts. Of course. But theres nothing at all right now. Not a single thing.
Youve made up your mind already based on what? Your dislike of Trump? Interesting you ask me the question you should be asking yourself.