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  1. Hostarius

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    I think people are very often enamoured so much with the sources of proverbs and quotes, or their simple fame, that they often regard them as some kind of infallible truisms.

    This is problematic because it can serve to entrench both the erroneous thinking of the quote itself as well as a lack of critical thinking more generally.

    Are there any quotes that you guys just roll your eyes at when they're posted because you know on some level that it's a trite little spoonful of bullshit? Post them here!


    I'll start with this one:
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    This sophistry right here is probably a perfect example:

    1) It's fucking EINSTEIN
    2) Seems rational on the surface

    But... it teaches the errors that failure is accountable to method, and that there is a deterministic 1:1 relationship between causes and effects.

    Sometimes the probability of obtaining a certain outcome following a certain method is less than 100%. In fact, this is overwhelmingly the case most of the time.

    Instead, we might say that 'doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results' is unusually referred to as 'determination' or 'grit'.
     
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    How about those "Confucius says" or Lincoln quotes
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    Permission to be a crazy bitch deployed by entitled brats everywhere.

    She was hot, though. Permission granted.
     
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    Lol, exactly.

    'It says here...'
     
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    I like this quote because I see it as when I'm having a bad day and just want to be alone or to cry my eyes out to my hearts content etc and you can't handle that then why should you deserve me at my best. That's my interpretation of this anyway - it may be a little naive but whatevs.
     
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    You crazy bitch.

    But you're hot so it's permitted.


    P.S. I get the 'acceptance' and 'understanding' part, it's just that it's very often used to justify people refusing to take responsibility for their actions.
     
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    Firstly, NO.

    Secondly, that's on them and you just have to walk away from that kind of toxicity.
     
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    I have the complete opposite perception.
    I think people just use them as a momentary source of inspiration to carry them forward, immediately abandoning the words once energy is obtained to move in another direction.

    People don't hold things in their head for very long usually. There's too much breadth and complexity in life to settle in on ideas.
     
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    Or self-validation by mirroring their own accomplishments to iconic figures, rather than self-actualisation.
     
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    I think that's true generally, but something of the message does linger. It lays down the foundation of a pattern which, over time, can be reinforced through encounters with similar ideas.

    Ideas are 'magnetic' to their siblings in this way; they coalesce to former larger complexes of ideas with mutual affinities.

    These are part of more general processes of polarisation, and I think poor ideas with 'good affinities' can get carried along with the tide of thoughts for the sake of 'Consistency' (avoiding cognitive dissonance).

    I definitely see this happening on the scale of popular movements.
     
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    Most of what people do is self-validation. Which isn't bad in itself entirely and could serve some positive purposes.
    Extreme drives towards self-actualization could have negative effects as well.
    Awareness and moderation with all this stuff, obviously.
    Some people do take quotes to heart and internalize them extensively which is of course bad, generally.
    I think people fall in and out of pits of all of these things.
     
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    I think this is an excellent observation.

    I've been thinking about 'self-validating' and 'self-denying' (though that's a bit loaded) methods for dealing with pain very much along these lines; one attempts to bolster the ego to kind of 'swallow' the pain, the other to dismiss the ego to 'dissolve' the pain; an active and a passive mode; prideful vs humble.

    I favour the active, personally - it seems right for me - but there's no question that the other works too. Or that both methods ought to be used depending on circumstance.
     
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    I think this is how most people operate at least to some extent, with one or the other being preferential for differing circumstances.
    It may be weighted more to one side or the other at different times throughout life.
     
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    Are you saying that Oogway is a bullshitter, Rit?
     
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    I can't believe @Rit4lin thinks Bob Ross is a bullshitter.
     
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    Aren't we all, really, bullshitters
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    Oogway is just one of the best. Alongside Yoda. Their bullshit is the sort to fertilise something magnificent... Like potatoes.
     
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    Lol
     
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