No longer a shared perception of reality

[slant]

Ok so I'm going to do this thread opener without bringing in my personal position in this topic ( I might discuss it in later posts but that's not the point of this thread really) .

The Charlie Kirk shooting has for the first time made me open my eyes to the fact that our society is really not sharing the same reality anymore. The perception of reality is so divergent that it's two different worlds. I have always seen situations where statistics are interpreted to prove one's perspective. This goes beyond that.

I don't know how to explain it, but it is like there are two versions of where there are no shared facts whatsoever. Its no longer measuring the lawn to be higher or lower. One side is saying the lawn is blue, the other side says it's concrete and not a lawn. The gap in perspectives is so extreme that there appears to be 0 way to discuss the differences anymore.

I get this has been going on for a long time but in particular this one is really bad. I can watch 10 videos on the issue from different political parties and the only thing the videos have in common is the names of the people. The details are completely different.

It is bizarre.

And the way it effects me is that, unfortunately, if somebody is discussing the event in a way that doesn't appear to match what I know about it, its like we both picked sides and that's that I guess.

Usually I can stitch together a middle ground that acknowledges the facts of both sides but that doesn't exist with this event at all. Everything directly contradicts each other and for so many people to be living in realities that directly dispute the other. I have never seen this before like this.

 

[aeon]

Every human being has their own sense of what reality is.

I understood that from a very early age, but it wasn’t until I took LSD that I experientially knew that.

We Live In Interesting Times,
Ian

 

[Korg]

A premise I live by: everyone needs a belief set, no matter how irrational. It is firmware. Active by default and surprisingly difficult to disable. For the most part, the only agency you get is which 'belief OS' to install in your brain. But you're going to believe something and it is going to drive your life. You literally can not exist without it.

It's a great use case for the social utility of institutions (experiments that have stood the test of time). Religions, ancient social contracts, etc -- binding us together in a way that is a net positive over generations, despite the short term sacrifices each individual has to make.

I suspect that once every few hundred years, we need a harsh reminder of why that perennial wisdom exists. In 500 years, the golden rule will be central to any culture but we'll have paid for that lesson ten times over between now and then.

Anyway, long day. I don't know what I'm talking about. Good thread, though.

 

[Wyote]

Welcome to my world of fun

 

[Roses In The Vineyard]

This has been the case for longer than most would care to realize.

 

[just me]

I can watch 10 videos on the issue from different political parties and the only thing the videos have in common is the names of the people. The details are completely different.

Same as reading articles or watching news: searching on the internet.
It feels more like party against party, although they show a significant split in the people. These are people, first; society swimming against the maelstrom shows no individuality to me(that's personal, too). These two sides should spend their time helping things work, instead of fighting each other.
Where is the line drawn, though? We cannot all agree, it seems, "unless something miraculous happens from God suddenly". That flattened my tires. I personally feel one must want out and step out of what he/she is opposite of. Mankind has had intervention from above, yet stands by its sponsored race car ready to go somewhere...maybe everywhere...except where most everyone can agree on.
Tell me, how long would that last? Should I stay or should I go?
ὀλιγόπιστος

Everything directly contradicts each other and for so many people to be living in realities that directly dispute the other.

I don't know that everyone is living intra-bi-realities. Personally, I try not to.
As for others, I can only guess. I have a good imagination.
There are a lot of differences out there. I was taught from an early age the Bible was the "GO TO" place for whatever you struggle with. Not everyone can accept that, so I'm just glad where and when I was. Here I am now. Here we are. Do you think a one and a ten can ever agree? I do not, although there have been times when they might have at least had a simple law and less issues to agree or disagree with.

Laws are not simple to make, and old laws have their reasons. It seems there are a lot of folk who misinterpret laws, and some who misinterpret lawmakers and law enforcement. Freedom of speech has its meaning. Law has its meaning. People try to side with what they believe. What I believe to be right might not be what you see as being right. This seems to be what people call "society", and all points in between.

It is written, "He who is a leader, follow him." Can't remember where that was, but look at the differences in the people striving to be leaders. What can we expect when money and power steps in to bat?

If we could find someone who could piece this together, they must be some kind of spatial genius(humor meant). Another thing I have heard say, is never say never. I say it to myself every now and then when my thoughts are weighing situations and I see a large red flag.
Did the flag result from emotions, or did I think and pray about it overnight at least before flagging.

Some things can be downright difficult. I was reading how brain cells and neurons form in an unborn baby. It is amazing how they know right where to go, how to get there, and how to form without being a brain yet. Sometimes we just need a break and could focus on something else for awhile to see how lucky each of us are.

 

[SlowUpTake]

in the matter of the murder of Charlie Kirk there are agreed facts. he was influential, he was murdered, he based his positions on a particular reading of the Gospels. There is also little disputation of his statements on record.

 

[slant]

in the matter of the murder of Charlie Kirk there are agreed facts. he was influential, he was murdered, he based his positions on a particular reading of the Gospels. There is also little disputation of his statements on record.

It's the shooter where it gets weird in terms of nobody being able to agree on any basic "fact".

Welcome to my world of fun

Sorry that you live there OMG

Every human being has their own sense of what reality is.

I understood that from a very early age, but it wasn’t until I took LSD that I experientially knew that.

We Live In Interesting Times,
Ian

That's true. I guess what I'm seeing is less broad and more regarding media presentation and the result of that seems to be there is a "theory" that this camp believes in, something different for another. Less individual perspective as much as group think

 

[Wyote]

@slant this might interest you, hopefully he does more videos on this topic

 

[just me]

Without photo enhancement, the above video seems to be about whether he is carrying a gun or not: or maybe. It brings up the brain. The image used for how we see things means nothing to me about this. We can stop a video to show a straight leg many times, I'm sure. The pants imprint looks more like an AK folding stock only: it does not look solid. I do not want to waste a lot of time trying to discern why my answer would be none of the above. Big difference in saying "maybe", or saying "I do not know". He didn't outsmart me when he was running across a roof. I do not know with these pictures.
I'll not explain the many ways he could end up with a rifle or when. The bolt action rifle in the box: is that the rifle used or just a picture of a rifle? That rifle in the picture would be very difficult to hide and run and jump with in his pants, let alone even have it there. The rifle in the picture is most likely a minimum of a 16" barrel, and it did not look removeable. Then, to have a snap-on scope with one-shot accuracy? Maybe the rifle was waiting for him? Who knows. I did not care for the video. Was he wearing underwear? Yes, no, or maybe? Maybe?
Nothing in the above is meant to be personal toward anyone other than myself.

 

[Wyote]

The point of the video is that people are constantly making their own inferences, which leads them to their own conclusions

 

[just me]

I see. Thanks. I missed the boat.

 

[Hyacinth]

Ok so I'm going to do this thread opener without bringing in my personal position in this topic ( I might discuss it in later posts but that's not the point of this thread really) .

The Charlie Kirk shooting has for the first time made me open my eyes to the fact that our society is really not sharing the same reality anymore. The perception of reality is so divergent that it's two different worlds. I have always seen situations where statistics are interpreted to prove one's perspective. This goes beyond that.

I don't know how to explain it, but it is like there are two versions of where there are no shared facts whatsoever. Its no longer measuring the lawn to be higher or lower. One side is saying the lawn is blue, the other side says it's concrete and not a lawn. The gap in perspectives is so extreme that there appears to be 0 way to discuss the differences anymore.

I get this has been going on for a long time but in particular this one is really bad. I can watch 10 videos on the issue from different political parties and the only thing the videos have in common is the names of the people. The details are completely different.

It is bizarre.

And the way it effects me is that, unfortunately, if somebody is discussing the event in a way that doesn't appear to match what I know about it, its like we both picked sides and that's that I guess.

Usually I can stitch together a middle ground that acknowledges the facts of both sides but that doesn't exist with this event at all. Everything directly contradicts each other and for so many people to be living in realities that directly dispute the other. I have never seen this before like this.

I personally have learned a long time ago not to watch the news because it affects me so much so I’ll be honest I don’t even know much about the guy but that’s on purpose. The more ignorant I stay the least disappointed in society I get. Blissfully ignorant I call it. Call it self preservation, call it trying to keep roses in my garden, but whatever you call it, I find it helps me a great deal during what’s trending because my friends won’t bring me into awkward conversations that id rather not have with ppl because they know upfront that I probably won’t know anything about it.

 

[TomasM]

It all runs in cycles. One appetite / deficit rises and then another springs forth and swings the pendulum hurling in the other direction. Those who stand in the middle [at peek velocity] get destroyed by the pendulum and those that move to the furthest fringe never truly live. This is true for both the volatile and stable crests because these are technically the same only expressed in different ways.

GenX experienced a crest in their youth and are now experiencing the pendulum on the opposite end of its travels.