Media honesty

[Reason]

Does America even have a far-left with any tangible influence? The Democrats are by-and-large milquetoast.

In order to find out about that you'll have to expand your sources and watch people whose opinions you disagree with. Which is quite a challenge.

 

[Pin]

In order to find out about that you'll have to expand your sources and watch people whose opinions you disagree with. Which is quite a challenge.

Believe me, I've tried. I watched Tim Poole, Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones, David Icke, etc. I just can't get on the Trump-train because ultimately, these guys are entertainers and not sociologists.

I'll admit though, I rank educated people higher with respect to subject matter. That's a bias I definitely have. I prefer to listen to people with higher-educations in the subjects they discuss. That said, if the majority of their peers with expertise (often PhDs) disagree with them, they're probably wrong with respect to their field of experience.

On the political spectrum, I'd probably be considered centrist, maybe even center-right by European standards with respect to economic policy.

How are the Democrats far-left in terms of proposed policies?

 

[Pin]

@Reason

And yes, my SuperPAC proudly takes money from George Soros.

 

[Reason]

Believe me, I've tried. I watched Tim Poole, Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones, David Icke, etc. I just can't get on the Trump-train because ultimately, these guys are entertainers and not sociologists.

I'll admit though, I rank educated people higher with respect to subject matter. That's a bias I definitely have. I prefer to listen to people with higher-educations in the subjects they discuss. That said, if the majority of their peers with expertise (often PhDs) disagree with them, they're probably wrong with respect to their field of experience.

You must have torn through Steve Turley (PhD, Durham University)'s videos then. But maybe he doesn't count for politics in your eyes I believe his background is classical studies or history of ancient Greece or something like that.

 

[Reason]

How are the Democrats far-left in terms of proposed policies?

Which part of the democratic party? Do you mean the old guard Nancy Pelosi 90s wing of the party or the Woke part a la AOC et al?

 

[Pin]

You must have torn through Steve Turley (PhD, Durham University)'s videos then. But maybe he doesn't count for politics in your eyes I believe his background is classical studies or history of ancient Greece or something like that.

I will check him out, my presumption is that I'm going to run into a lot of ancient references.

 

[Reason]

@Reason

And yes, my SuperPAC proudly takes money from George Soros.

That's okay I'm secretly a Nazi terrorist so we're both publicly secretly extremists

 

[Pin]

Which part of the democratic party? Do you mean the old guard Nancy Pelosi 90s wing of the party or the Woke part a la AOC et al?

The establishment, which largely consists of the Nancy Pelsoi wing of the party. In other words, the center-right branch.

 

[Reason]

The establishment, which largely consists of the Nancy Pelsoi wing of the party. In other words, the center-right branch.

I don't know if they are radically left wing I think they're trying to court the leftists for some extra votes but don't really have much interest in delivering on any of those promises.

 

[Reason]

I don't know if they are radically left wing I think they're trying to court the leftists for some extra votes but don't really have much interest in delivering on any of those promises.

I would still describe them as the left though because of this enabling they do.

 

[Pin]

I don't know if they are radically left wing I think they're trying to court the leftists for some extra votes but don't really have much interest in delivering on any of those promises.

Absolutely, they accept money from corporations, industries, and people whom they publicly denounce to court uninformed voters.

The differences between them and the Republican Party are largely rhetorical.

 

[Reason]

Absolutely, they accept money from corporations, industries, and people whom they publicly denounce.

The differences between them and the Republican Party are largely rhetorical.

With the exception of Trump's faction in the Republican party and a few rogue Democrats I agree.

 

[Pin]

With the exception of Trump's faction in the Republican party and a few rogue Democrats I agree.

Keep in mind, the parties differ more greatly in terms of proposed policy at the state and local level. At the national level, the establishment-wings of both parties aren't very different in practice.

 

[Reason]

@Pin I have a hard time describing the Pelosi and Mitt Romney wings of the major party as part of the political spectrum

Center-left, Center-right, etc.

To me they're just 90 percent pure corruption lol.

It's not even about political alignment at that point it's just saying whatever you need to get elected, making token progress on some issues, bashing opponents and collecting speaking fees until you're rich.

 

[Pin]

@Pin I have a hard time describing the Pelosi and Mitt Romney wings of the major party as part of the political spectrum

Center-left, Center-right, etc.

To me they're just 90 percent pure corruption lol.

It's not even about political alignment at that point it's just saying whatever you need to get elected, making token progress on some issues, bashing opponents and collecting speaking fees until you're rich.

You're not wrong, I would consider the proposed policies of both parties establishments to be center-right. However, the issue with Republicans is that we don't often get tangible policy prescriptions from people like Mitch Mcconnell.

I'd consider someone like Bernie Sanders or AOC to be center-left with respect to economic policies. Basically, they're pretending to be socialist but in reality their policies aren't controversial in Europe.

 

[Reason]

You're not wrong, I would consider the proposed policies of both parties establishments to be center-right. However, the issue with Republicans is that we don't often get tangible policy prescriptions from people like Mitch Mcconnell.

I'd consider someone like Bernie Sanders or AOC to be center-left with respect to economic policies. Basically, they're pretending to be socialist.

I don't think AOC is pretending, but as for Bernie it's hard for me to look at his 2 or 3 mansions and take him seriously about wealth redistribution.

 

[Pin]

I don't think AOC is pretending, but as for Bernie it's hard for me to look at his 2 or 3 mansions and take him seriously about wealth redistribution.

Bernie calls himself a socialist when he's really a European-style Social-Democrat no different than Macron in terms of policy.

AOC talks the same Social-Democrat talk but neither of these two politicians are interested in seizing the means of production and forming a "Dictatorship of the Proletariat," to quote Marx.

As soon as the United States accomplishes universal healthcare coverage they're not going to push any further left economically-speaking.

They're not Socialists, Marxists, or Communists in ideological terms or policy prescriptions.

 

[Reason]

As soon as the United States accomplishes universal healthcare coverage, they're not going to push any further left.

Don't forget Cortez has to stick a cork in every cow ass in North America to stop the farts.

 

[Pin]

Don't forget Cortez has to stick a cork in every cow ass in North America to stop the farts.

Anything to slow down climate change.

 

[Tango India Mike]

How do you feel about Donald Trump being less of a war monger than Barack Obama despite what the media said in 2016 about how he would cause WW3?