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MBTI really butchered Jung's actual ideas.

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    I've been slogging through Jung's works lately, as well as reading through some essays on the Personality Nation Forums, and it seems that Jung implies that one cannot be an empiricist and still be an N, and Jung himself said that he is a "Introverted Thinking with Sensation" type, an ISTP.

    Oh, and this is interesting.



     
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    Actually, Personality Nation really butchers Jung's actual ideas.

    Try reading Jung's Psychological Types instead of their stuff.


    There's a great version of it here:

    http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Jung/types.htm

    And a great introduction to Jung's works is this book:

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/0691029350/?tag=infjsforums-21

    I've taken many classes at the Jung Institute and that is the introductory book that they use. It has excerpts from all his works (even supposed unpublished ones). It's very easy to read as well since there are footnotes to explain outdated psychology or vocabulary terms.

    He can be very addicting if you're into symbolism. Especially his work on the alchemy and his red book... they're fantastic.
     
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    wow. someone typed Christ. wow.
     
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    My proverbial vomit MUST be full of fat, because you look as though you enjoyed it.

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    I can’t recall the exact reasons for why he’s considered Ni, but I believe it had to do with explaining the concept of Ni.
     
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    [mods]Please keep it civil and stay on topic folks.[/mods]
     
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    But they didn't type God! I guess he must be all types. lol
     
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    Carl Jung was just a man, Ideas change, grow and innovate with new input from different sources.
     
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    I wouldn't trust anything anyone published through Personality Nation.

    Personality Nation is not and will never be an authority on personality! More like a laughing stock.
     
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    MBTI is derivative but it is not contrary to what people tend to think the practical limits of analytical psychology are.
     
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    Actually in "Answer to Job" Jung does a really nice job of psycho analyzing the Bibi cal God.
     
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    Haha yeah... I meant in reference to Pern's typing of God in that sentence.

    Jung didn't really give God a definitive type. It was a great read though. I like how he analyzed Yaweh's rise to high consciousness by incorporating and implying that it was the consequence of atonement through incarnation. It was also pretty thought provoking when Jung suggested that God could only evolve out of our amoral unconscious through an encounter with a person that has inflexible integrity. My professor read a few excerpts from Answer to Job and one of the Christians in our group stood up and had an anger fit once because of it. So even 'till this day, it seems to be emotionally affecting others.
     
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    Not surprised by by that



    I found it to be the most compelling argument for Christ and Christianity that I have ever read.
     
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    Yes, me too! It really shakes up your perceptions and makes you questions that validity of what is and what is not.
     
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    Upon consideration:

    MBTI did not really butcher Jung's actual ideas...

    MBTI had a viewpoint on what Jung's ideas meant in certain areas because it was designed to try to explain behaviour types. Of course this means that the answer precludes the analysis and it is somewhat of a fudge.

    PersonalityNation decided that the best way to create traffic on the web is to point at others in a crowd and shout, in this case about the 'evils of MBTI vs Jung'.

    Therefore PersonalityNation really butchered the principles relating MBTI to Jung without offering any sort of legit reporting balance; such as the tenous repeatability of Jungian theory never mind the fact that if you can't observe the behaviour and offer a causation link it then how can you prove it? It is somewhat like reading a state press in favour of Jung above all else.
     
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    Of course That's what Limit knows how to do. Drive people toward his website, by preaching a new system. That doesn't have backing. All while the staff are fine with it. Its not wise to spread misinformation. Frankly the idea personality is already murky enough.
     
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