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http://gawker.com/5968983/writer-of...-history-of-violent-tendencies-mental-illness >> it would be good to see (one side of) a context of the link @Dragon has given.

I cannot say whether the writer's words are nullified, lost, or stripped from its truth and power just because of the context, though.

I think we need to be careful about the media...we know who is controlling it and that they have an agenda

We need to follow what we know is right. [MENTION=1579]Odyne[/MENTION] summed it all up pretty well in her post

We need to stop listening to the media lies and start shaping the society we know to be best for us

The mainstream media is merely the mouthpiece of the bankers who own it and what kind of people are they? Do we really need their guidance?
 
I don't understand comments like, "This is evil." To recognize something like this, no matter how unfortunate, as an act of evil is to simplify human complex. People can have instances of insanity, act on them, and kill others easily. We are all just a bunch of animals, and our thought-processes can lead to bad results. I know that this shooting should not have happened, that the children deserved to live, and that many are in tremendous pain because of it. I empathize with them deeply, and I think that I can feel their pain in a sense. It is utterly horrible.

And, then, I can empathize with the killer-- as a human... Not as a monster. I don't think that people do this enough. They can't allow themselves to become other people in some instances, to try to see through his eyes, to allow themselves to feel what the insanity feels like, or the utter lack of sensitivity that he did at the time.

I think that, although we need to preserve society and recognize what should and shouldn't happen, what we dub simply "good," and what's "evil," we need to allow ourselves to empathize with both sides. Once we can morph into both the oppressor and the oppressed, once we don't disregard that people are animals without this great moral complex... once we can understand both the murdered and the murderer, we are one step closer to the objective world. Empathy for all is so important. It's like this: once you can agree with everyone, you agree with no one, and so you can see the world simultaneously more clearly and more fuzzily You can see what it isn't, which is this thing to be simplified and labeled. Empathy is the most important ability that we have, I think, and we need to spend more time to try to empathize with all people. We're all so complex and yet so primal, and we judge others without taking this into consideration.
 
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I don't understand comments like, "This is evil." To recognize something like this, no matter how unfortunate, as an act of evil is to simplify human complex. People can have instances of insanity, act on them, and kill others easily. We are all just a bunch of animals, and our thought-processes can lead to bad results. I know that this shooting should not have happened, that the children deserved to live, and that many are in tremendous pain because of it. I empathize with them deeply, and I think that I can feel their pain in a sense. It is utterly horrible.

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And, then, I can empathize with the killer-- as a human... Not as a monster. I don't think that people do this enough. They can't allow themselves to become other people in some instances, to try to see through his eyes, to allow themselves to feel what the insanity feels like, or the utter lack of sensitivity that he did at the time.

I think that, although we need to preserve society and recognize what should and shouldn't happen, what we dub simply "good," and what's "evil," we need to allow ourselves to empathize with both sides. Once we can morph into both the oppressor and the oppressed, once we don't disregard that people are animals without this great moral complex... once we can understand both the murdered and the murderer, we are one step closer to the objective world. Empathy for all is so important. It's like this: once you can agree with everyone, you agree with no one, and so you can see the world simultaneously more clearly and more fuzzily You can see what it isn't, which is this thing to be simplified and labeled. Empathy is the most important ability that we have, I think, and we need to spend more time to try to empathize with all people. We're all so complex and yet so primal, and we judge others without taking this into consideration.
 
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I noticed this being passed around on my Facebook this morning. Apparently Sandy Hook was referenced in the Dark Knight Rises, connecting the film with another mass shooting. If this is true, this is creepy as fuck:

http://www.ugo.com/image/214930/the-dark-knight-rises-viral-package
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[MENTION=1939]Stu[/MENTION]

The film also mentions aurora, the scene of the cinema shooting:

[video=youtube;c8nTZKpmtlQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8nTZKpmtlQ&feature=player_embedded[/video]
 
The drug factor:

[video=youtube;9S-7aNPf33A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S-7aNPf33A&feature=player_embedded[/video]
 
[MENTION=1579]Odyne[/MENTION] thank you so much for your post! It was absolutely brilliant. You said it all. A thousand times Bless You!
Kgal, Lerxst, Chulo, James Thank you x million for your brilliant posts!



Self awareness, personal responsibility and integrity truly are the key. There have been parts of this thread that have had me cringing with the levels of fear and blame but there has also been so much Love and Consciousness shining through. We create our world, each and every one of us. We share the joy and pain. The first step into creating a better society, one that we want to live in, is examining our own lives and taking responsibility for our own actions and how they effect others. What we eat, drink, buy, how we treat others and ourselves, and most importantly what we choose to spend our time doing, focusing on and thinking about. We can choose to focus on the negatives and potential problems and be bogged down in our fear, or we can focus on what we want and be proactive in making it happen. We choose. And its our choice whether we want to help others or not. It is all so easy, but pain stakingly heartbreakingly difficult because we are all learning. There is no bogey man, no monster under the bed, or in our closet, only the one in our head that we find it so hard to let go of.

I pray that everyone effected by this tragedy finds peace. Violence hurts us all. Even and especialy the direct perpetrators. We create this people and we create our culture and our society. We create who we are and we have full power, yet limited awareness. And we can all create a better world where this doesnt happen. Whether we understand it or not, choose to take control or not, we are responsible. We can be conscious creators. I have complete faith and hope in humanity. Even on our darkest days there is so much Love, understanding and joy abundant and present. I am grateful that there are so many wondeful people in my life and all over the world and on this forum. I am not afraid of the future my daughter or my grand daughter will live in. The potential of who we could be is beyond words, worlds, and truly astounding. I am happy in this moment and i look foward to tomorrow being a better and more conscious day for us all
 
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The drug factor:

[video=youtube;9S-7aNPf33A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S-7aNPf33A&feature=player_embedded[/video]

You're using Fox news now? After all of that talk about how the major news outlets are corrupted by the elite?

Obviously they're emphasizing the drugs because they're afraid of losing their guns.

Not that they don't have a point, though... I do think that they prescribe far too many drugs for things that shouldn't warrant it, especially in the US. I suppose they help some people but to be honest no matter how depressed I ever got I would never take them-- there are just so many things that go wrong when you're exposing yourself to these kinds of chemicals for long periods of time-- and that goes for ANY drugs.

Still, Dylan Kelbold from Columbine wasn't on anything, and apparently he was the more manic one during the shootings... but I suppose that he wasn't technically the leader either.
 
You're using Fox news now? After all of that talk about how the major news outlets are corrupted by the elite?

Obviously they're emphasizing the drugs because they're afraid of losing their guns.

Not that they don't have a point, though... I do think that they prescribe far too many drugs for things that shouldn't warrant it, especially in the US. I suppose they help some people but to be honest no matter how depressed I ever got I would never take them-- there are just so many things that go wrong when you're exposing yourself to these kinds of chemicals for long periods of time-- and that goes for ANY drugs.

Still, Dylan Kelbold from Columbine wasn't on anything, and apparently he was the more manic one during the shootings... but I suppose that he wasn't technically the leader either.

I'm using a clip from Fox news that i found on youtube

Concerning the whys and wherefores of why fox is talking about drugs the elite are playing a game of polarity....they want to polarise public opinion and keep people divided. They want to sustain the two party dichotomy in the USA so they can hide the fact that they rule behind the political parties

Also this post is only about a link to drugs which someone else brought up. My point was that there is an element of mind control to the events. drugs are often used in the mind control process.

By focusing on drugs Fox are creating a new perception in peoples minds of what the cause is. Now many people will think: 'ah so its the drugs making people go around shooting people' and by doing so they will fail to see the larger picture that the drug are simply a part of the mind control process. The best way to lie is to give as much of the truth as possible alongside the lie without revealing the core lie.

Concerning Columbine i don't think we are getting the full story. here's another perspective (i'm just in the process of watching this myself so i can't comment too much on it yet)

[video=youtube;wx_iLIlqUVc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx_iLIlqUVc&feature=player_embedded[/video]
 
Senator Jay Rockefeller recently issued a statement calling for more gun control and an expansion of state controlled mental health which inevitably leads to the increased prescription of psychoactive drugs. here's what he said:

“I voted for the assault weapons ban in 1994, which also included a ban of high capacity clips, and it’s unacceptable that it hasn’t been reauthorized.
West Virginia has a proud hunting tradition and respect for the Second Amendment.
But most hunters I talk with know that prohibiting the use of military-grade weapons or clips that can fire dozens of rounds in a matter of seconds will not impact those traditions, nor do they have a place on our streets. We need to pass a bill that will again prohibit such weapons.”


“Preventing gun violence is a clear issue here, but this horrible tragedy also brings to the forefront the need for a renewed national dialogue on mental health.
Today, Medicaid is the largest payer of mental health services in the U.S. Unfortunately, as both state and federal budget cuts have mounted nationwide, both inpatient and community services for children and adults living with serious mental illness have been downsized or eliminated.
We must fix that. Despite the federal mental health parity law passed in 2008, which is in place to end insurance company discrimination against those seeking treatment for mental health, there is an incredible shortage of mental health providers across the country – including West Virginia.
This is yet another area where action is necessary.”


“This horrific tragedy shook communities across West Virginia and the country. But sadly, incidents with guns kill Americans throughout this country every day. And I’ve heard from families in West Virginia who have lost loved ones, including their own children.
It would be a travesty if we only looked at Friday’s attack – as well as the many other senseless tragedies we’ve seen – in silence and refuse to act. I’m pushing for that action now before we have to mourn more innocent lives lost.”

FEAR, TERROR, TERRORISM...the mind killer:

[video=youtube;Lo8xEP3MJdk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo8xEP3MJdk[/video]

 
This is a very disturbing event but i am still amazed that why the guns arent banned ?
There has been a lot of incidents of this originality lately .
 
This is a very disturbing event but i am still amazed that why the guns arent banned ?
There has been a lot of incidents of this originality lately .

The reason is that some of the public want to keep their guns because they know that there is a group of powerful bankers controlling their government who want to impose a police state on them and their guns are one of the things they have to defend themselves with

There will be more and more incidences like this one for as long as the government is drugging and brainwashing the public ie for as long as the people allow their government to be controlled by a bunch of banking parasites
 
This is a very disturbing event but i am still amazed that why the guns arent banned ?
There has been a lot of incidents of this originality lately .

They can't get rid of the guns-- I think there have been programs where people have been turning them in but there are millions of them out there and a lot of people who will never ever give them up.

I don't think that giving them up is ever going to happen either but there are going to be restrictions placed on manufacturers as well as tighter requirements for gun ownership, which are probably overdue.

I'm just wondering if a question like 'do you or any family member suffer from depression, asperger's' etc. will be on the application form...
 
They can't get rid of the guns-- I think there have been programs where people have been turning them in but there are millions of them out there and a lot of people who will never ever give them up.

I don't think that giving them up is ever going to happen either but there are going to be restrictions placed on manufacturers as well as tighter requirements for gun ownership, which are probably overdue.

I'm just wondering if a question like 'do you or any family member suffer from depression, asperger's' etc. will be on the application form...

During the aftermath of hurricane Katrina the federal authorities were going house to house confiscating peoples guns

They are currently trying to stop automatic guns and limit magazine capacity becaue they know this will curtail peoples ability to fight back against the government

They have been building FEMA camps across the US ready to detain political prisoners. They have passed the NDAA which allows them to lock up and torture political prisoners. They are trying to disarm the public, they are spending billions (trillions were announced to have gone missing just days before 911 but obviously this news story was then drowned out by the twin tower story) on storage technology so that they can record and store every phone call and email sent in the country

They are getting ready for a showdown with the american public

They have been running up a massive trade deficit by importing vast amounts of cheap goods from china to pacify their own population. All the while they are saying to people 'look how good you have it here compared to the rest of the world' but its all an illusion because it has all been built on debt.

That bubble has now burst and people are having to face 'austerity' including unemployment and cuts to public services

Meanwhile banks that have bankrupted themselves through immoral banking practices have got the governemnt to give them trillions of pounds of the publics money claiming they are 'too big to fail'

That would be like Al Capone arguing that he shouldn't be locked up for tax evasion because he funds the political campaigns of chicago politicians and is thererore 'too big to fail'. If he'd been big enough to be able to bribe the federal government he probably would have got off

But to be big enough you need to be in one of the banking families that owns the federal reserve such as the Rockefellers or the Rothschilds or the warburgs...then you are above the law...hell you are the law!

'Too big to fail'? Have people in the US forgotten about anti-trust laws? have they forgotten about RICO? Why are these corporations being allowed to grow into such monsters if the government is not in their payroll without being broken up by the courts?
 
Kind of interesting how the issue has stopped being about the tragedy and started to be about the politics.
I suppose they always do, however.
 
This thread has a bunch of pages and I may be rehashing an old point, but has anyone considered the possibility that there were multiple gunmen? Here's an article that points out all the inconsistencies regarding the current narrative that Lanza was the lone shooter. This story is strange. I don't believe the official story.

http://sgtreport.com/2012/12/so-man...k-massacre-an-organzied-false-flag-operation/
 
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This thread has a bunch of pages and I may be rehashing an old point, but has anyone considered the possibility that there were multiple gunmen? Here's an article that points out all the inconsistencies regarding the current narrative that Lanza was the lone shooter. This story is strange. I don't believe the official story.

That was one of the parents who had come to help his daughter make a gingerbread house… he showed up at the wrong time and the police arrested him because they didn't know what was going on, or because they didn't know who he was. There's a video online explaining it.

I really don't think that this was a conspiracy-- a guy snapped and killed a lot of people, is it really so hard to believe? You don't think that people ever do these kinds of things on their own? Exactly how difficult do you think this kind of thing would be to pull off? The hardest part of this wasn't actually doing it-- the hard part was not having a conscience, which is actually not even that hard if you're depressed enough.

The truth is that we're all pretty vulnerable to this kind of thing at any given moment… we like to believe that shooters choose their targets logically, but when people explode, they don't always do things that make sense. Part of having a complete breakdown is that you sort of lose the plot, so if it happens violently then there's no way to predict who the targets are going to be.

Even I had days in high school (mostly in PE class) where I almost felt bullied enough to snap… just because I didn't start killing people with a semi-automatic weapon doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't. A lot of people I knew in school probably weren't so far off from bringing a gun to school, actually… high school/adolescence is actually a pretty shitty time in life where a lot of people fall behind emotionally, socially, etc… they're still children but they're feeling all of this pressure to make something of themselves and grow up and move out, sometimes after spending years doing nothing but trying not to implode. The prospect of being committed is basically a death sentence-- there's enough competition for jobs as it is-- a lot of doors close as soon as you're committed/diagnosed with a serious mental disorder, and if you're smart enough to realize that no one will probably ever accept you, then you start to get pissed… because you start to feel like you'll never find love, always be alone, always be a failure, and no one will ever be able to help you or understand you or do anything to help you fit into society.

You can say that people are trying to take advantage of the situation and use it to further their own warped view or some sort of bullshit political cause, but to say that this was all planned out is really lame.
 
Here's a guy saying that the drugs and MKUltra angle are misinformation and that there was a three man shooting team who were mossad agents; if nothing else it shows how misstrustful people are now becoming of the Rothschild cabal who are currnetly behind the federal reserve and the current government:

The Sandy Hook massacre appears to have been a psy op intended to strike fear in the hearts of Americans by the sheer brutality of the massacre, where the killing of children is a signature of terror ops conducted by agents of Israel.

This is being used as powerful incentive for banning assault rifles, where most of the public is unaware of the fact that the Department of Homeland Security has acquired 1.5 billion rounds of .40 caliber, hollow-point ammunition, which is not ever permissible in warfare under the Geneva Conventions.

A Senate Subcommittee has issued a report (3 October 2012) based upon its review of 680 “fusion center” reports (from 2009-2001) and found not a single indication of any domestic terrorist threat-not one! None! Since the only domestic “terrorist threats” are ones contrived by the government, especially the FBI, the public needs to know.

This information-as well as the existence of more than 300 FEMA camps and special boxcars to carry dissidents to them-has been deliberately withheld from the American people, because if they were aware of the facts of the matter, it would become obvious that those camps and ammunition are intended to be used against them.

When DHS is gearing up to conduct a massive civil war against the American people, what better excuse could there be for banning assault weapons than the massacre of 20 innocent children at Sandy Hook Elementary School?

The choice appears to be covertly revealing, where “Sandy” means guardian of men (as an allusion to guns) and “Hook” as a euphemism for hooking, gathering or confiscating the only weapons that DHS fears. And who better to slaughter American children than Israelis, who deliberately murder Palestinian children?

Mike Harris of Veterans Today has exposed the pattern relating what happened there to earlier assaults: “This is exactly what Israel did in Norway; the political party that voted sanctions against Israel was retaliated against by a ‘lone gunman’ who killed 77 children. This is what Israel always does, they go after the children.

“It is what they do in Gaza every day. It is what was done in Norway. It is what happened at Sandy Hook. Nobody buys the ‘one gunman’ story anymore, not with the Gabby Giffords’ shooting, not with the Aurora “Batman” shooting, certainly not with Breveik, and certainly not in Connecticut.”​
The most likely scenario, given what we know now, is that Adam Lanza and his mother killed the day before. Adam's body picked up by local police. He was attired in a SWAT outfit, including body armor, and stored in the school.

A three-man team entered the school, one was arrested in the school--cuffed and put on the lawn--two went out the back door, one was arrested, the third appears to have escaped. You can find this on helicopter videos.

Those arrested are currently not in police custody; their names were never released. That is a telling sign that we are being sold a story that is based on fiction, not on fact. What else are the local police concealing?

A parallel situation in Aurora, where there appear to have been multiple participants, but the police concealed information about them. The DC Sniper, John Allen Muhammad, was even a active member of Delta Force, but the public was not informed.

His assistant in this killing spree, Lee Boyd Malvo, had been detained in Seattle but was released, even though he was an illegal alien, where INS has refused to explain how that happened. Did “higher authority” intervene?

Nidal Malik Hasan, the US Army Major who killed 13 and wounded 29 during a rampage at Ft. Hood, Texas, even sat next to the Director of Homeland Security during an event at George Washington University. Can that be coincidental?

When the "long gunman" cover story falls apart, then the national press, which William Colby told us was infiltrated by agents of the CIA-“The agency owns everyone of significance in the major media”-resorts to stories of Mind Control and use of drugs.

We have to see through the smoke and mirrors. These attacks typically involve three-man shooting teams, where, once the story is tainted with bogus MK/Ultra conspiracy disinformation, crucial data, like the assault rifle the Sandy Hook having been left in his car, swiftly disappears.

Lenin and Trotsky were terrorists. Lenin was an outspoken proponent of terrorism. The founder of the Lukid Party and sixth Prime Minister of Israel was an Irgun terrorist. Study its history. No nation in the world cares more about its own interests and less about those of the United State than Israel.

The bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946, was a stunning example. The attack on the USS Liberty and Israel’s bombing of its own Embassy and Jewish Community Center in Buenos Aires in 1992 and 1994 are other illustration.​
Those who study 9/11 are all too aware of the role of the Neo-Cons and the Mossad. But the American press covers it up-and Congress is controlled by AIPAC. As Bill Casey, former CIA Director, observed, “Our disinformation program will be complete when everything the American public believes is false.” Sandy Hook is the latest example.

JF/JR

Dr. James H. Fetzer, a former Marine Corps officer, is McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth. A leading expert on the death of JFK and on the atrocities of 9/11, he has published extensively as a journalist for Veterans Today. He edited ASSASSINATION SCIENCE (1998), MURDER IN DEALEY PLAZA (2000), and THE GREAT ZAPRUDER FILM HOAX (2003) on the assassination and chaired or co-chaired four national conferences about it. The founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, he has published THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY (2007), organized the Madison Conference on "The Science and Politics of 9/11" and, during 2012, The Vancouer Hearings, which brought together experts on different aspects of the case. The conclusions to emerge include that no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, that all four of the crash sites were faked or fabricated in different ways, that mini or micro nukes were the most likely explanation for the "collapse" of the Twin Towers, and that Israel and American Neo-Cons planned 9/11 to promote their political agenda. The archives for his radio show, "The Real Deal", on revereradio.net, at radiofetzer.blogspot.com, include more than 500 interviews on the most complex and controversial issues of our time. His most recent and important articles are accessible via "Veterans Today, Jim Fetzer".
 
That was one of the parents who had come to help his daughter make a gingerbread house… he showed up at the wrong time and the police arrested him because they didn't know what was going on, or because they didn't know who he was. There's a video online explaining it.

I really don't think that this was a conspiracy-- a guy snapped and killed a lot of people, is it really so hard to believe? You don't think that people ever do these kinds of things on their own? Exactly how difficult do you think this kind of thing would be to pull off? The hardest part of this wasn't actually doing it-- the hard part was not having a conscience, which is actually not even that hard if you're depressed enough.

The truth is that we're all pretty vulnerable to this kind of thing at any given moment… we like to believe that shooters choose their targets logically, but when people explode, they don't always do things that make sense. Part of having a complete breakdown is that you sort of lose the plot, so if it happens violently then there's no way to predict who the targets are going to be.

Even I had days in high school (mostly in PE class) where I almost felt bullied enough to snap… just because I didn't start killing people with a semi-automatic weapon doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't. A lot of people I knew in school probably weren't so far off from bringing a gun to school, actually… high school/adolescence is actually a pretty shitty time in life where a lot of people fall behind emotionally, socially, etc… they're still children but they're feeling all of this pressure to make something of themselves and grow up and move out, sometimes after spending years doing nothing but trying not to implode. The prospect of being committed is basically a death sentence-- there's enough competition for jobs as it is-- a lot of doors close as soon as you're committed/diagnosed with a serious mental disorder, and if you're smart enough to realize that no one will probably ever accept you, then you start to get pissed… because you start to feel like you'll never find love, always be alone, always be a failure, and no one will ever be able to help you or understand you or do anything to help you fit into society.

You can say that people are trying to take advantage of the situation and use it to further their own warped view or some sort of bullshit political cause, but to say that this was all planned out is really lame.

What you are saying here is 'bullshit'...think about it.....these aren't random attacks where someone has spontaneously just snapped! They're at schools directed at kids....there isn't anything more shocking than that....they are designed for maximum psychological effect

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/20/279183/israeli-death-squad-massacred-us-children/
 
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What you are syaing here is 'bullshit'...think about it.....these aren't random attacks where someone has spontaneously just snapped! They're at schools directed at kids....there isn't anything more shocking than that....they are designed for maximum psychological effect

Just because it is shocking does not equate to it being designed.