IMO women have some very very big issues

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In the news today there is a story about an abducted woman. It happens all the time but what makes this one stand out is that it was all caught on video. I the video a man of average size takes this women a block and a half on a well lit street. Puts her down long enough to open bis car door. Somehow gets her inside and closes the door. Once inside another car drives up looking for a parking spot directly behind them and eventually drives off.

A block an a half on a well lit street at night. .. wtf. So many things go through my head when I see this. Does this woman know the second this man touched her, her life was in question? Its not anymore. The chance they find this woman alive is minimal at this point. But tbe video shows her struggling a bit but nothing much. Maybe she just thought the guy wanted to ask her for directions.

No seriously wtf. The world is not a happy place. Have your own hopes and dreams on your own time. Believe in fairies, angels if you want but live in the real world enough to recognize its not that way. This was a single standard sized man. It wasnt and asteroid, super volcano, cancer, train.... it was another fed up single human that somehow took her. Why did this woman nit fight for her life? Why did she not go for this persons eyes and try to or successfully tear them out? Why did she not scratch, punch, kick, spit her abuductor. Why when he was distracted enough to open the car door did she not run? Wtf? She was being taken to her death.

The real world can have hope. Theres enough room for it. You hope things like this dont happen to you but regardless you make yourself prepared for them should they happen. You have a plan of action in your head so you dont have to come up with one on the fly.

Now I suspect theyll eventually find this guy. If theres justice they guy will be put to death in the most painful way possible. But that only keeps him from doing this to others. This womans life is no longer that. Cut short by another single person.

Wtf. Just wtf.
 
From your description it does seem weird that she would just let this happen and not fight more but I don't think it's fair to frame it as 'women have problems'. This lady obviously has a problem even if it's not that she didn't fight but many women would and have fought off their agressor in situations where they were being abducted. There's even cases of little girls fighting off somebody trying to abduct them.
 
I saw the video. As he was pulling her down the street, she was resisting but seemed to be caught off guard when he grabbed her. It looked like she was putting up a fight when he tried to get her inside the car and when inside, she kicked out the back window. And his size has little to do with his strength. Average doesn't mean weak. He was overpowering her.

Plus, the street may have been well lit, but there was no one on the street when she was being pulled down the sidewalk. My problem is with the car that sat there and watched. How about getting a license plate number or calling the cops, a-hole. Instead he/she put gears in reverse. It might have been a bad neighborhood and they feared for their own safety but come on. Just get a plate number.

Or maybe they did do all these things.
 
I don't understand the issue you're saying all women have, as suggested by the thread title.

Is the issue related to how often ordinary civilian women get abducted by vehicle as compared to ordinary civilian men?

is the issue that this woman did not fight with her kidnapper and therefore you assume that this is true of all women?

I am disgusted by the side of humanity that seeks to hurt people and I cannot even begin to imagine what is in store for this poor woman; what kind of grisly death or torture awaits her or has already befallen her. I feel sympathy for her family and friends too. How fucking awful. All because of some cretin's twisted urges.

As for the jackass who stood by and saw the whole thing and didn't intervene... Sad to say this happens very often. :(
 
This is why we should all have pistols. The police can not protect us so we must protect ourselves!
 
The video in question, for those not in the know:
[video=youtube;SsuY6zze1Zs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsuY6zze1Zs[/video]


One woman allowing herself to be abducted does not really indicate a problem with all women. And men can be just as unresponsive to physical threats. People in general are habitual victims, incapable of or unwilling to accept the possibility of them being the target of an act of violence That's why you see this woman fumbling with her ipad or whatever the fuck while this man gently ushers her into his car, instead of fighting tooth and nail to avoid that.

The driver who drives up, sees what's going on, and then goes away is also hugely problematic. They could have considered this an ambiguous situation and decided not to intervene, which is bad and dumb, but even worse is the thought that they knew what was going on and decided to stay out of it. People either want to believe they don't have the agency to help or want to believe someone else will help. Habitual victims, habitual bystanders.

SlowUpTake said:
This is why we should all have pistols. The police can not protect us so we must protect ourselves!
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This is the wrong kind of situation to use for carry advocacy. The guy came up behind her and grabbed her, at that point you're in a fight where a gun is useless or even dangerous to the user. A basic understanding of grappling would have been far more helpful, and probably would have kept this woman from being taken. Incidentally, just having the willpower and mindset it takes to want to learn a grappling art would probably have saved her considering how non-combative she was.
 
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No I suspected my thread title would get more people to read. I do find it strange that we are going to focus on my thread title more though than the fact that this woman and all women can do a hell of a lot more to avoid death than what this woman did.

You want to take offense at my thread title, good do it. Maybe while your pissed off youll continue to think about it and come up with some sort of a plan in the mean time. Mo is that this woman did very little, far more little than she could have done to avoid DEATH.
 
Eventhorizon said:
No I suspected my thread title would get more people to read. I do find it strange that we are going to focus on my thread title more though than the fact that this woman and all women can do a hell of a lot more to avoid death than what this woman did.

You want to take offense at my thread title, good do it. Maybe while your pissed off youll continue to think about it and come up with some sort of a plan in the mean time. Mo is that this woman did very little, far more little than she could have done to avoid DEATH.
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No one is pissed off (except, judging from your tone here, you perhaps), I read it more as us being confused as to what you were trying to communicate. It still remains rather ambiguous and sadly, none of us are psychic. Perhaps you can clarify. What were your intentions here? How women (or anyone) can protect themselves from and in these kinds of situations? The fact that people sometimes don't put up a fight and the factors that might contribute to that? The bystander that didn't get involved? Or were you just venting your disgust and frustration with this one poor woman for not doing more to save her life?

In which case, I wonder if it's a fight, flight or freeze thing. Some people just freeze up in the face of danger. They go into shock and there's a disconnect between them and the situation, like they don't see the problem or how to respond to it. It makes me wonder what determines that. Is it upbringing, preparation, personality, state of mind? Do you think that if someone sat down with this woman beforehand and gave her this scenario, she'd say she wouldn't fight for her life tooth and nail? I'm willing to bet she'd say she would do anything and everything to get away and genuinely believe she would.

Personally, I don't think anyone can predict how they're going to react in this kind of situation, even if they're suitably prepared. They could be a fighter nine times out of ten, but fuck up and choke that one time when it really counts and then it's over.

Most people over estimate their confidence in being able to get away because they expect their survival instincts to kick in. They don't ever expect the chemical rush to fail them.


What are your thoughts?
 
TheDaringHatTrick said:
No one is pissed off (except, judging from your tone here, you perhaps), I read it more as us being confused as to what you were trying to communicate. It still remains rather ambiguous and sadly, none of us are psychic. Perhaps you can clarify. What were your intentions here? How women (or anyone) can protect themselves from and in these kinds of situations? The fact that people sometimes don't put up a fight and the factors that might contribute to that? The bystander that didn't get involved? Or were you just venting your disgust and frustration with this one poor woman for not doing more to save her life?

In which case, I wonder if it's a fight, flight or freeze thing. Some people just freeze up in the face of danger. They go into shock and there's a disconnect between them and the situation, like they don't see the problem or how to respond to it. It makes me wonder what determines that. Do you think that if someone sat down with this woman beforehand and gave her this scenario, she'd say she wouldn't fight for her life tooth and nail? I'm willing to bet she'd say she would do anything and everything to get away and genuinely believe she would.

Bottom line is, I don't think anyone can predict how they're going to react in this kind of situation, even if they're suitably prepared. They could be a fighter nine times out of ten, but fuck up and choke that one time when it really counts and then it's over.

What are your thoughts?
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Briefly I am a little pissed of when I see or hear about this type of thing. This is more disturbing because the whole thing was caught on video. I profess not to have many feelings but seeing this type of thing saddens me and angers me. Its avoidable through use of intelligent planning. Defense courses or at a minimum respect for your life enough to want to use everything you have to fight for it.

I have never known anyone personally to have gone through something like that but I cant help but think of someones mother, sister..wife etc when I see it. There world isnt full of fuzzy bunnies. The world is full of crazy people that will kill you for ...anything.

Yeah so im more pissed off at the woman then the guy. The guy...no just torture him until he dies. Im fine with that. I would enjoy hearing news reports every now and then of the torture he went through that day. But the woman? Angry because it was sad and avoidable. Thats was her life she just so casually gave up and for what?
 
for all we know he had a gun to her head, and this is why she didn't resist more than she did. the video really doesn't show much of anything unfortunately.
 
@Eventhorizon The women obviously could have defended herself if she had the proper skills. But that really shouldn't be the focus here. Instead of blaming either of them we should be concentrated on what causes others to act this way. As well as educating others to better protect themselves. Even so you cannot expect everyone to be prepared. Unfortunate events like this always occur, they are just more preventable than some of the other disasters that you mentioned. Also, recommending torture for the man is beyond cruel and pointless (at least in my opinion).

With respect to the women... I am pretty confidant she didn't want to die there. Some just do not act in that situation (bystander and victim). There are many studies in social psychology, and biology that try and explain why this is the case.
 
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niffer said:
another thread that is a waste of time
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....and in the other news billions of men around the world helped women today and made many people laugh and smile and they played with children and built things and created art and helped meet the needs of their communities
 
She could have had a knife in her side. The Police don't mention a blood trail but she could have been slashed to gain compliance. I would say by the looks of things he was distracting her with threats as he was pushing her towards the car.

We imagine how would react but not one reaction can guarantee survival. It is however of paramount importance to stop the process of being transported from point a) to a secondary site - but quite simply fear can shut down our fight/flight response.

Puts me off -

1. America
2. Cities in general

Poor, poor, poor woman.

Another tip is to shout 'FIRE' rather than 'help' and/or pick up stones and smash peoples windows during an attempted abduction.

Apparently completing unimaginable acts in front of people is recognised as being somewhat more effective than the whole sneaking around aspect. Generally we don't want to believe in such things so such a method can cause a temporary form of paralysis in onlookers.
 
Delta said:
She could have had a knife in her side. The Police don't mention a blood trail but she could have been slashed to gain compliance. I would say by the looks of things he was distracting her with threats as he was pushing her towards the car.

We imagine how would react but not one reaction can guarantee survival. It is however of paramount importance to stop the process of being transported from point a) to a secondary site - but quite simply fear can shut down our fight/flight response.

Puts me off -

1. America
2. Cities in general

Poor, poor, poor woman.

Another tip is to shout 'FIRE' rather than 'help' and/or pick up stones and smash peoples windows during an attempted abduction.

Apparently completing unimaginable acts in front of people is recognised as being somewhat more effective than the whole sneaking around aspect. Generally we don't want to believe in such things so such a method can cause a temporary form of paralysis in onlookers.
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Shame she couldn't hold onto her phone and make an emergency call

(if the video is genuine...it seems a bit odd)

It was in UK online papers too.....why?

Its totally random...is it because it was caught on camera and we've all become addicted to trauma porn?
 
o_q said:
speaking of clickbait
YOU WONT BELIEVE THIS
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Nope not going to click it

I have mastered the curious cat that lives within all of us

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