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subwayrider said:
I always wonder why eggs are considered a dairy by some people. When you eat an egg, you're eating a fetus.
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Not unless it's fertilized. On the other hand, fertilized or not, eggs are delicious.
 
[h=1]Mississippi 'Personhood' Amendment Vote Fails[/h]
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JACKSON, Miss. — Mississippi voters Tuesday defeated a ballot initiative that would've declared life begins at fertilization, a proposal that supporters sought in the Bible Belt state as a way to prompt a legal challenge to abortion rights nationwide.

The so-called "personhood" initiative was rejected by more than 55 percent of voters, falling far short of the threshold needed for it to be enacted. If it had passed, it was virtually assured of drawing legal challenges because it conflicts with the Supreme Court's 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that established a legal right to abortion. Supporters of the initiative wanted to provoke a lawsuit to challenge the landmark ruling.
The measure divided the medical and religious communities and caused some of the most ardent abortion opponents, including Republican Gov. Haley Barbour, to waver with their support.
Opponents said the measure would have made birth control, such as the morning-after pill or the intrauterine device, illegal. More specifically, the ballot measure called for abortion to be prohibited "from the moment of fertilization" – wording that opponents suggested would have deterred physicians from performing in vitro fertilization because they would fear criminal charges if an embryo doesn't survive.
Supporters were trying to impose their religious beliefs on others by forcing women to carry unwanted pregnancies, including those caused by rape or incest, opponents said.
Amy Brunson voted against the measure, in part because she has been raped. She also has friends and family that had children through in vitro fertilization and she was worried this would end that process.
"The lines are so unclear on what may or may not happen. I think there are circumstances beyond everybody's control that can't be regulated through an amendment," said Brunson, a 36-year-old dog trainer and theater production assistant from Jackson.
Hubert Hoover, a cabinet maker and construction worker, voted for the amendment.
"I figure you can't be half for something, so if you're against abortion you should be for this. You've either got to be wholly for something or wholly against it," said Hoover, 71, who lives in a Jackson suburb.

Mississippi already has tough abortion regulations and only one clinic where the procedures are performed, making it a fitting venue for a national movement to get abortion bans into state constitutions.
Keith Mason, co-founder of the group Personhood USA, which pushed the Mississippi ballot measure, has said a win would send shockwaves around the country. The Colorado-based group is trying to put similar initiatives on 2012 ballots in Florida, Montana, Ohio and Oregon. Voters in Colorado rejected similar proposals in 2008 and 2010.
Barbour, long considered a 2012 presidential candidate before he ruled out a run this year, said a week ago that he was undecided. A day later, he voted absentee for the amendment, but said he struggled with his support.
"Some very strongly pro-life people have raised questions about the ambiguity and about the actual consequences – whether there are unforeseen, unintended consequences. And I'll have to say that I have heard those concerns and they give me some pause," Barbour said last week.
Barbour was prevented from seeking re-election because of term limits. The Democrat and Republican candidates vying to replace him both supported the abortion measure.
Specifically, the proposed state constitutional amendment would've defined a person "to include every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning, or the functional equivalent thereof."
The state's largest Christian denomination, the Mississippi Baptist Convention, backed the proposal through its lobbying arm.
The bishops of the Episcopal Diocese of Mississippi and the General Conference of the United Methodist Church opposed it.
Bishop Joseph Latino of the Catholic Diocese of Jackson, a church traditionally against abortion, issued a statement neither supporting nor opposing the initiative. The Mississippi State Medical Association took a similar step, while other medical groups opposed it.
Mississippi already requires parental or judicial consent for any minor to get an abortion, mandatory in-person counseling and a 24-hour wait before any woman can terminate a pregnancy.
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Yayy!



From: Huffington Post
 
subwayrider said:
I always wonder why eggs are considered a dairy by some people. When you eat an egg, you're eating a fetus.
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An unfertilized egg only has half the chromosones needed to be a human being, or a cat, or a chicken. buck buck buckah! :D
 
GracieRuth said:
An unfertilized egg only has half the chromosones needed to be a human being, or a cat, or a chicken. buck buck buckah! :D
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Yeah, see that's where I look at the current arguments, for and against, and say... OK.
 
Trollin' in the deep.

[video=youtube;JD-sBPBzpmE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD-sBPBzpmE[/video]
 
Norton said:
Mississippi is not known as the most intellectually enlightened place on the planet.
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Considering that Mississippians votes it down, I'm wondering whether that confirmed your stereotype, or if you wanted to amend it?
 
I just think we might be missing the forest for the trees.
 
I don't think they should.

Then again I think human rights can be a ridiculous crux. Not always, but can be.
 
Hoggle said:
Also if you rape one you get in trouble with the law.
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[video=youtube;2B_Yw-JAnuw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B_Yw-JAnuw[/video]
 
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GracieRuth said:
Considering that Mississippians votes it down, I'm wondering whether that confirmed your stereotype, or if you wanted to amend it?
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No. And, it's not a stereotype, it's fact. The data speak:

Wikipedia: "In 2007, Mississippi students scored the lowest of any state on the National Assessments of Educational Progress in both math and science."

Wikipedia: "In 2008, Mississippi was ranked last among the fifty states in academic achievement by the American Legislative Exchange Council's Report Card on Education, with the lowest average ACT scores and sixth lowest spending per pupil in the nation."

http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm -- Mississippi ranked 49th in states' "smartness" rating.

http://www.measureofamerica.org/mississippi?gclid=CL2w77nEqawCFYHe4AodQSZM1w -- "Mississippi has some of the worst scores in the nation on most measures of K–12 educational quality. It is difficult to imagine how the state can make economic progress when the future workforce is deprived of the opportunity to develop even basic skills, much less the higher-order skills needed to obtain better-paying jobs, such as independence of thought, communications skills, interpersonal skills, and technology literacy."

There are more data that support my contention but the above should suffice.
 
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Looks like the people of Mississipi are generally the same as everyone else and made the same choices when faced with a similar range of opinions.

Yes, abortion should be avoided (prevention is better than cure after all), however it is a useful procedure to have available.
 
nope. NONE. NO RIGHTS.

And that's...FINAL!

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Voted down so ha! And liquor is going to be privatized in Washington State finally.
 
Wut poll
 
InvisibleJim said:
I don't think they should.

Then again I think human rights can be a ridiculous crux. Not always, but can be.
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Hey, those are my God-given rights you're talking about. They mean something.
 
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