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Yes, people are forced to compromise their values on a daily basis but the truth is, those values are not always rational and when they impose on others, there is a problem. Certain religious individuals are upset by the idea of homosexuals being able to marry, why? In their value system, it ruins the sanctity of marriage, etc... Should their values be able to dictate the way the rest of the world operates? I don’t need an answer to that questions, it’s just an example, you get the idea.
I'm not talking about culturally ingrained values eg attitudes to homosexuality or marriage
I'm talking about a stance of neutrality
My position on those issues is that people should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as they are not hurting others
Our current society is highly coercive.....so i'm talking about people being coerced into doing things they don't want to do or being stopped from doing things they do want to do
When you have that mindset homosexuality isn't even an issue (who cares what people do with their own bodies?). Marriage on the other hand is in a sense coercive because if you want to get married you MUST sign a contract created by the state.
The idea of corruption itself is subjective. In one society, what is considered corruption in another society is considered moral.
People know when they are being coerced
My point is that the evidence you provide does not just open a single door to a single way of thought but instead to multiple doors and ways of thought. Your evidence doesn’t just point to your ideas, it provides evidence to other ideas as well that could possibly have just as much if not more credence than yours.
I'd very much like to hear your ideas concerning this
People will struggle to take you seriously when you so adamantly stick to only one possibility without considering or truly objectively disproving those other possibilities. You are making the mistake of having a hypothesis and trying to prove it and ignoring any evidence that disproves it. I will not say you are wrong because like I said, I think there is some truth to what you talk about but I will not take it to your extreme.
Just to clarify...what is the one possibility i'm sticking to?
“Perception is reality.” You are right in this regard but you are just as closed minded as anybody else by being so dead set on your one idea, one trajectory of thinking. Have you ever thought that perhaps governing bodies and corrupt corporations want people like you? You could be the greatest asset to them and I will tell you why. Unlike you, I am not going to claim with certainty that any of this is true but it is a possibility just like everything you bring up.
I have seen enough evidence now that i don't have the same doubts that you have. I don't have all the answers but i have the outlines
But there might be a problem regarding what you are saying which i have given a lot of thought to. I'll try and outline a couple of thoughts regarding this
First of all there are commentators who have pointed out that we are all often used as 'unwhitting dupes of the new world order'. This is because they often play both ends off against the middle
They use Hegelian principles of thesis, antithesis and synthesis. So for example if they want to create a certain outcome they will fund and aid two opposing groups in a conflict so that from the conflict the synthesis which they actually want is then produced.
This method also helps to keep people divided and confused. An example would be the current political system. It is largely a two party system where people are conditioned by the corporate media to perceive an illusiory polarity between the two parties when in fact the power elite control and fund BOTH parties. From whatever the outcome is they will synthesis the outcome they want
They sometimes support 'liberal' causes that to most reasonable people sound great for example womens liberation. Who is going to disagree that women should have equal rights? I think any reasonable person is going to believe that women should have equal rights. But the power elite didn't support womens lib because they care about the rights of women, they did it so that they could tax the other half of the population and so they could encourage parents to entrust their children into the care of the state whilst they worked.
So something that seemed good and noble on the surface actually has played into their hands not the hands of the people, because the people who control the interest rates and the money supply can tweak the system so that everyone is working all of the time even though now both people in a relationship are working....in fact they may be less well off than previous generations where only one of the couple had to work!
So we've all been unwitting dupes. Thats not to say we shouldn't campaign for equal rights for women, we should, but at the same time we need to campaign for a fair wage so that people don't have to spend ALL their time working and can still raise their own kids
The other thought i have on my approach that has caused me to sometimes question my approach is something a little less tangible. Some might find the following idea complete rubbish....that's fine....i can't prove it for certain, so if they want to discount it that's fair enough, but i hope they won't discount everything i say on the basis of one or two points
So anyway the danger with what i'm doing by talking about this negative stuff that is happening is that i am helping to put it into the collective imagination. In magickal thought it is believed that we are all connected and that our subconscious's are all connected and that by visualising things and focussing intent we can then affect our reality because our reality is not real in the sense we think it is. It is, in magickal thought, actually a holographic reality that we are all co-creating. So what you focus your intent upon has a higher chance of actually manifesting in reality. 'Energy flows, where attention goes'. So if you are imagining all the time the creation of a new world order then in a kind of self fulfilling prophecy this will then come true
This is called 'bud will' in magick. Have you seen any of those conspiracy theory videos on youtube where they show clips in films and cartoons and stuff of things relating to 911 before 911 actually happened? Or have you seen the stuff in the batman films that then occured with the shootings? This is, in magickal thought, about planting a seed in the subconscious of the public that will then germinate into physical reality
This is why i think it is important to stay hopeful that we can defeat the new world order, visualise its downfall and most of all be consciously aware of what is going on
That is what i'm trying to do: spread conscious awareness. The power of the magicians lessens when people know how they are being manipulated
If I wanted to hide what my true intentions where, I would cover it up with bad and good. I wouldn’t cover up everything I do by trying to build up the perception of being ideal because very few would believe it. People are naturally suspicious and it goes back to the old saying of, “too good to be true.”
So to appeal to human nature, I would be a bit of both, good and bad because that is the way every person is. There is good and bad in each and every person and most people can forgive mistakes to a certain level. This is what I would make visual to the majority of the world because it is the easiest path to success.
They DO do this. they laud their agents in their corporate media. The way to undo that perception spell is to expose what their agents are really doing
Then to hide my intentions I would feed to people like you and then at the opposite end the overly supportive the most “top secret” of ideas and watch as the flame spreads. I would watch as my perceived wrong-doings are investigated so intensely, knowing that no real evidence will ever be found.
Evidence is found but is often buried for a generation through gagging orders and the official secrets act. Whats happening now however is that people are developing a memory. They are doing this by sharing information very quickly.
For example younger generations might not have lived through the gulf of tonkin false flag incident that justified the vietnam war, but now they hear about it online and are able to compare it to the false flag operations that are going on in their lifetimes.
The sharing of information is allowing people to see patterns in the behaviours of the manipulators for example hegels principle (see above) or 'problem, reaction, solution'
People are getting more streetwise to how the power elite play both ends against the middle for example by manipulating protest movements eg tea party v's occupy or democrats v's republicans or left v's right etc
Individuals will blow their whistles and waste their time chasing this extreme because if there is even a shred of reality to that extreme, the consequences could be dire. I make people focus on the potential of my greater mistakes that may or may not have happened so that I can get away with the simple ones. I can do whatever I want right in front of their face because of the “what-if” factor. The reality is far more simple than what everybody believes but by planting the seeds of something worse, they can’t accept the simple reality because “what-if” it is worse?
If i'm not mistaking what you're saying i believe that is what is going on in N.Korea at the moment
The US government is ratcheting up war tensions away from home to distract the public with an external threat when the problems of the US public are NOT in korea, they are in the US! The US public don't need to tackle the koreans, they need to tackle their own corrupt government!
Its a sleight of hand, which is a stage magic trick
All I have to do is plant the seed of doubt and watch as peoples own imaginations take to whatever extreme their fears and insecurities can create. My intentions might be completely clear and right in front of everybody but because they are so simple, people just can’t believe that it’s that simple. They want to complicate it, make it into something that it’s not and that only just benefits me.
There's a lot of specualtion about what is going on and it anyone who sets out to try and figure out what is going on has to be a detective and join the dots. But i think the picture is beginning to clarify out there. For a lot of us it is really beginning to crystalise now what is going on
Feed to the media; feed to the people not only the extreme fears that make me the savior but also the doubts that make me the ultimate enemy. Use those extremes to hide the reality of what I am doing that is both good and bad. Those that do accept the simple reality and can do something about it will be so discouraged by the extremes that they will just accept it so that they don’t have to hear you anymore.
The apathy thing comes from what Ike would call the 'little me' mindset where people think 'oh what can i do about this, i'm nobody, i'm powerless, i can't do anything'
My counter to that is to say we need to educate ourselves, share what we've learned to help the general levels of streetwiseness rise so that actions can be strategised. This should be an empowering process even if at first it is daunting
Many people are now coming up with creative solutions. I've posted a bunch of things people can get involved with on the 'alternatives to capitalism thread'
I think people can go through an 'oh my god, i can't believe the scale of this thing' phase when they first start seeing the bigger picture, but i think that anger is a good catalyst for change. I think there's already a lot of anger out there and there's going to be a lot more. The important thing is that anger is directed at solving the source of the problem. For example directing anger at the north koreans is not going to solve the US economy and the corrupt system
The banking crisis in Cyprus at the moment has seen the bankers declare a 'bank holiday'. This means the bankers have frozen peoples accounts. People tried to have a run on the banks and get all their money out but they couldn't because all accounts were frozen. Imagine that for a moment. You go to the cash machine to get money for your groceries but you can't and neither can anyone else.
Then the bankers start taking peoples money from their accounts. They did this before with MF Global where clients accounts were raided. This is essentialy the next load of wealth that the bankers are going to raid.
There is a good chance that in time this is going to occur in the USA. My advice is to be careful about keeping all your money in the bank. Some commentators are advising people to diversify for example investing anf taking physical hold of precious metals, some are saying invest in bitcoin, some are saying invest in tangible assets, some are saying keep a stash of cash outside the bank
So why am i thinking like that?
Sure some people on the forum might like to say that i'm 'crazy' or 'paranoid' but i know i'm thinking like that because i know things they don't and if they knew what i knew they would be thinking like that as well!
This is why sharing this info online is a good thing becuase it allows us to foresee events and take steps to protect ourselves from them
I've made a number of predictions on this forum that have come true. All this stuff about government trying to control the internet, increased surveillance, inflation etc i said all this was going to happen....because i know what the central bankers are doing
They want to create a centralised state socialist country. So what is that? Its a system where the state owns everything and controls everything including the people. The bankers raided the public purse with the 'bailouts' now they are raiding bank accounts and they are using the money to buy up all the assets of countries. They will wipe out peoples savings with inflation, they will foreclose peoples homes, not give loans to businesses so that they close allowing them to buy them up for pennies on the dollar. This is leading to a situation where a small corporate elite will own pretty much everything including the government which they have basically bought lock stock and barrel. That creates a situation where there is a de facto state socialist system. Then all they have to do is use the government to codify it
You do more to hurt your cause than you do to support it. Part of being aware and changing perception is also accepting the very real possibility that you are wrong about everything.
That's how i managed to see what i'm seeing. I was open minded enough in the first place to look beyond what the mainstream media was spoon feeding me. My perceptions are evolving all the time. I'm not entrenched...the image is getting refined all the time by more mounting evidence. I listen to as many different sources as possible. i listen to the alternative media, i listen to the mainstream media, i listen to the left and the right and i listen to what the power elite thmselves are saying and i look at what is actually happening on the ground. Having listened to ALL viewpoints i then match up what i've heard with what i'm seeing in the real world
There is always a possibility that we could all be wrong about everything...i'm open to that possiblity. for example it migh transpire that we are all actually in a virtual reality simulation game which we have paid to be in, including an amnesia aspect which creates the illusion of the entire thing being real!
All possiblities are on the table as far as i'm concerned
I think you do me wrong to suggest i'm closed minded...i'm not....i listen to everyone. Haven't you noticed the amounts of debates i get into? I listen to EVERYTHING they say to me, i look at and study their evidence to see if it computes. These are sometimes people with completely opposing views to me but i spend a lot of time listening to them, reflecting on their perspectives and seeing if it adds up
If i find a new piece of information that fits into reality then i assimilate it
Using the monarchy as an example; the media can weave stories about how great she is to convince part of the population that they should admire her. Then the media or social media can weave stories about corruption and make another part of the population fear and hate her. Both fulfill the same thing. Both fulfill the purpose of giving her power she might not actually have and the reality is far simpler.
yes the media is encouraging people to give her psychic energy. this is why some people talk about these power elites being psychic vampires
That is why i think we all need to be consciously aware of this so that we can make a conscious decision whether or not to opt out. I believe that when people see things for what they are they will opt out
We need to walk away from all the instruments of the power elites
What I think the reality is that politicians, corporate heads, organization leaders are people and as such are corruptible. They can be just as opinionated and stupid as you and I. They can be just easily duped into doing something stupid and more often than not they let their own bias get in the way of making objective judgments. The only difference is they are in a position that their decisions impact the lives of many while ours impact very few.
Yeah they are themselves indoctrinated and like all of us they have their inner demons that sometimes steer their behaviours. I would go as far as to say that some of these guys demons are very much in the driving seat of their lives!
As well as being bribed they can also be threatened and black mailed. There is increasing evidence out there for anyone who looks for it that one of the methods used to control influential people is to film or photograph them in a sexually compromising situation and then use the threat of public exposure to coerce them into doing their will
Sometimes even the best of intentions can end up with the worst result. I am sure in his mind Adolf Hitler, thought he was saving society by enlightening the German people to the corruption of the Jews. I am sure every suicide bomber that kills a group of innocent children is sure in their mind; they are doing what is right and enlightening the world.
That is precisely why lessons MUST be learned from history
The primary lesson is that violence is NOT the answer
What Hitler did to the jews was APPALLING...horrific. He was criticising the bankers and yet he didn't kill the bankers....he set about imprisoning regular people
But i don't even advocate violence against the bankers. The evil in the bankers is in all of us. The only way we can manage the demons that lurk in the shadows of our psyches is through conscious awareness
Why I bring this is up is as a word of caution. I have seen even the greatest causes become corrupt when taken to the extreme.
What usually happens is that when the power elite see a movement gaining traction they initially try to dismiss is through their media, then they try to belittle it, then they will attack it and try and kill and/or discredit the leaders and then finally they will try and coopt the movement and steer it off track
Once again we need to learn from history, share examples, be consciously aware and streetwise
If everybody took their money out of the banks and put them into credit unions, there is the very real possibility that you would just be replacing one evil with another.
The banking crisis was enabled because of the deregulation including the repeal of the Glass Steagal Act. This got rid of the barrier between commercial banks and investment banks. This means that gamblers then got their hands on depositors money and started playing casino games with it and lost it leaving them needing to be bailed out with the taxpayers money of the depositors. That money didn't just dissapear though it went to the global investors
The whole concept of credit unions is that they do not play casino games with depositors money. Each bank has different terms though and people should look into specifics before commiting to one, but moving their money from the scandal laden banks into credit unions is a very tangible way of changing the system. It dissempowers the bankers, and it helps savers and the real economy of production and consumption.
The catastrophe for the public is coming anyway, if we took our money from their banks and put it into credit unions the catastrophe would be for the bankers
It is still the same concept of taking 1% and replacing it with a different 1%. If look at the history of banks, they started off small once too.
You give any one person, organization, governing body, etc… too much power and suddenly its seems like corruption takes hold.
No if you look at the history of the banks you will see that what caused the sea change was the creation of privately owned central banks who took the money printing off the government treasury
