Hollywood hi-jacking of Spiritual enlightenment

[muir]

@muir

All you're quoting from me is a fictional event in a movie and hypostatizing it to reality. It's not relevant. You want it to be relevant so you can quit discussing the movie and move on to big pharma.

If you've read any of my posts recently regarding gnosticism you'll know that big pharma is part of the archontic network (the pill motif therefore being quite poignant in a hollywood movie)

But the point in the film is that neo needs to make a leap of faith to get out of that reality which he has already been shown is not normal reality because it goes white into infinity which freaks neo out

he knows morpeus has him somewhere unnatural and he wants OUT one way or another

 

[Matt3737]

If you've read any of my posts recently regarding gnosticism you'll know that big pharma is part of the archontic network (the pill motif therefore being quite poignant in a hollywood movie)

But the point in the film is that neo needs to make a leap of faith to get out of that reality which he has already been shown is not normal reality because it goes white into infinity which freaks neo out

he knows morpeus has him somewhere unnatural and he wants OUT one way or another

So which is it? Is is the Matrix that is unnatural? Or is it Morpheus and big pharma that is the unnatural part? Morpheus helps Neo escape the Matrix, which one is symbolic of the cabal then?

 

[muir]

So which is it? Is is the Matrix that is unnatural? Or is it Morpheus and big pharma that is the unnatural part? Morpheus helps Neo escape the Matrix, which one is symbolic of the cabal then?

Go a level further....what if the cabal have made the film to affect YOU and your perceptions of reality?

Hollywood...holly-wood, holly being the male aspect of the christmas ''holly and the ivy'' with ivy being the female aspect

Christmas being nothing more than saturnalia

Holly being representative of the horned god

Hollywood...the 'dream factory'.....the engineers of perception.....the horned god saturn...the demiurge...the architect of the matrix reality

They're implanting stuff into our minds ALL THE TIME creating our reality through controlling our perceptions of reality

 

[Matt3737]

[MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION]

Why so avoidant now? If Morpheus is big pharma drugging people into submission, does that make the Matrix a more natural, a better, or more appropriate reality?

 

[muir]

@muir

Why so avoidant now?

I'm not being avoidant i'm trying to get you to see this from my perspective

This is a film.....it cost a lot of money....that money comes from people....powerful people.....those powerful people often have an agenda because to become powerful they had to be part of the club in the first place

If Morpheus is big pharma drugging people into submission, does that make the Matrix a more natural, a better, or more appropriate reality?

This is not what i'm saying

I'm saying the film might have been made with an agenda in mind and that was the aspect of what AJ was talking about that interested me rather than the interpretation of the movie re:morpheus being a terrorist

I'm not thinking on that level....i'm thinking on OUR level of what they are trying to do to US with their film

This is what the OP said:

My question is, is it unreasonable to think that this movie could have been preemptive attempt to hi-jack what could have been a positive revolution? Instilling fear, aggression and violence into what could have been infused with love and compassion? I’m curious what others think about this:

I'm saying that yeah the film could have been created as a means to co-opt gnostic intel that was becomming public due to the internet

 

[Matt3737]

[MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION]

You got upset with me when I refused to see Morpheus as a doctor and being symbolically representative of big pharmaceuticals.

Now that I am attempting to follow your line of reasoning, you see that it may not be adding up the way you want it to and now are trying to back out. Is that about right?

Why not answer the question? Let's hash it out now. Maybe I can convince you to seek some help with your problem.

 

[Matt3737]

This is what the OP said:

My question is, is it unreasonable to think that this movie could have been preemptive attempt to hi-jack what could have been a positive revolution? Instilling fear, aggression and violence into what could have been infused with love and compassion? I’m curious what others think about this:

I'm saying that yeah the film could have been created as a means to co-opt gnostic intel that was becomming public due to the internet

That's what I'm talking about too. Let's have fun discussing how the cabal has co-opted the film into siding with.....ummm which side? The Matrix or Morpheus and the Resistance?

Which side is it? You're so fond of being part of the 'us vs. them' mentality. This could be very educational for both of us, yes?

 

[Lark]

If Hollywood is hijacking the spiritual or enlightenment then its late on the scene.

There's been lots of movements who did so already, the whole age of aquarious idea is years old, what was that sixties, seventies? I would say there's a possibility that the seeds were sown even earlier than that.

Before he died Erich Fromm was already complaining that humanistic pscyho-analysis was being subsumed by humanistic therapies, the human potential movement, myriad gurus real and fake, marketing, advertising and commercialism. Now his criticisms of it were multi-faceted but among my favourite was his critical highlighting of the idea that it would all be or ought to be easy and effortless. There's nothing worth having that isnt earned and involves difficulty.

Hollywood is just part of this, its been going on for a long, long time.

 

[Delta]

Isolation and drug usage are probably the things to look out for in negative cases more than the film content of whatever they were watching at the time of their psychosis.

 

[the]

Go a level further....what if the cabal have made the film to affect YOU and your perceptions of reality?

Hollywood...holly-wood, holly being the male aspect of the christmas ''holly and the ivy'' with ivy being the female aspect

Christmas being nothing more than saturnalia

this is the point where you have left the logical progression of what you are saying. You've also failed to mention how the "wood" fits into this.

Holly being representative of the horned god

Hollywood...the 'dream factory'.....the engineers of perception.....the horned god saturn...the demiurge...the architect of the matrix reality

They're implanting stuff into our minds ALL THE TIME creating our reality through controlling our perceptions of reality

Dream factory... ?

 

[Rcs6r]

Come on man, what else do you name a technological medium that gives the illusion of moving 3d space on a 2d projected plane?

 

[Matt3737]

He's not wrong. Morpheus was the name for the Greek god of dreams:

Morpheus is a god of dreams who appears in Ovid's Metamorphoses. Morpheus has the ability to mimic any human form and appear in dreams. His true semblance is that of a winged daemon, imagery shared with many of his siblings. Starting in the medieval period, the name Morpheus began to stand generally for the god of dreams or of sleep.

Dreams have also had a pretty continual association with movies, as well as stage magic and seeing only that which one wants to see:

In film theory, the term oneiric (/oʊˈnaɪərɪk/; "pertaining to dreams") refers to what proponents describe as the depiction of dream-like states in motion picture, or to the use of the metaphor of a dream or the dream-state in analyzing a film.

A connection between dreams and films has been long posited. The phrase "The dream factory," it has been noted, "has become a household expression for the film industry”. The dream metaphor for film viewing is “one of the most persistent metaphors in both classical and modern film theory”, used by film theorists based on Freudian, non-Freudian, and semiotic analytical frameworks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneiric_(film_theory)

muir's problem is he likes to twist these things to fit into his bizarre worldview.

 

[Solongo]

I never saw the move matrix as dangerous. The idea of waking up to the matrix is a direct parallel of what is happening worldwide. Those who wake up tot he matrix have a choice to either fight the matrix or co-create with the matrix. Since it is human nature to be a co-creator with this universe; Neo is a protagonist who is carrying ou the "hero's journey" of self actualization and ascension from a matrix system that subjugates people into slaves. In order to manifest one's consciousness fully within the matrix; new breed of energy pattern is created to combat and neutralize the existing matrix power.We do really exist in a holographic matrix; the matrix that is created in the world is unique to earth. Everyone is given a choice to use their free will and choice to support or change the matrix. Not everyone will and can co-create within the matrix. I also think it is impossible to escape the matrix.

If true spiritual awakening has occurred than than the individual will feel the need to rebel against the matrix because the matrix is created to subjugate humanity which is the opposite of spiritual growth and enlightenment.

 

[Rcs6r]

The idea of waking up to the matrix is a direct parallel of what is happening worldwide. Those who wake up tot he matrix have a choice to either fight the matrix or co-create with the matrix.

This. I've always saw the movie as an allegory for people who think about the world surrounding and how it affects them, vs people who just live life the way they're told and don't question things. Of course in the movie, the Matrix "reality" was created by machines to keep people asleep while they harvested their body heat for energy.

... a matrix system that subjugates ppeople into slaves.

Depends on how you look at it, as at the end of the trilogy people deliberately chose to stay within the Matrix because it was a comfortable alternative to the real world. As long as their minds were satisfied, they cared not what was really happening to their bodies - a theme the movie Surrogates explored as well.

 

[muir]

@muir

You got upset with me when I refused to see Morpheus as a doctor and being symbolically representative of big pharmaceuticals.

Now that I am attempting to follow your line of reasoning, you see that it may not be adding up the way you want it to and now are trying to back out. Is that about right?

Why not answer the question? Let's hash it out now. Maybe I can convince you to seek some help with your problem.

No that's not right

You seem to have a problem listening

Read the OP to get an idea of what is being discussed here, then read my posts to hear my views on it (if you want)

I have some things to say on this subject but you seem more interested in getting in a petty battle of wills (INTJ's seem to do this all the time)

 

[muir]

If Hollywood is hijacking the spiritual or enlightenment then its late on the scene.

There's been lots of movements who did so already, the whole age of aquarious idea is years old, what was that sixties, seventies? I would say there's a possibility that the seeds were sown even earlier than that.

Before he died Erich Fromm was already complaining that humanistic pscyho-analysis was being subsumed by humanistic therapies, the human potential movement, myriad gurus real and fake, marketing, advertising and commercialism. Now his criticisms of it were multi-faceted but among my favourite was his critical highlighting of the idea that it would all be or ought to be easy and effortless. There's nothing worth having that isnt earned and involves difficulty.

Hollywood is just part of this, its been going on for a long, long time.

It's been going on longer than the 1960's because the age of aquarius is only one stage in a 26,000 year cycle which humanity has been observing

 

[muir]

He's not wrong. Morpheus was the name for the Greek god of dreams:



Dreams have also had a pretty continual association with movies, as well as stage magic and seeing only that which one wants to see:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneiric_(film_theory)

muir's problem is he likes to twist these things to fit into his bizarre worldview.

What exactly have i twisted

You are doing another thing i see INTJ's do a lot here which is accuse someone of something vague without actually saying exactly what they mean

if i have 'twisted something' then tell me what i have twisted

Before you attempt that i recommend you read the OP again