Evil INFJs

An ESTP gone wrong = Evil!INFJ.

And to be honest, I'm not sure if perfect table manners are an INFJ trait, drunk or no. I could see it in an ISFJ, but not quite INFJ.

I dunno - I don't know enough about the INFJ gone sour. People have said Anakin Skywalker (aka Darth Vader) was an INFJ, and Hitler.

 

Meeeh, I dunno, though. I think INFJs are less concerned with personal/individual decorum and more concerned with the whole and what everyone is doing. But it's true; a sick, twisted INFJ will criticize an individual when they're not meeting expectations, but I can't see the public humiliation. That's my opinion, though. I'm sure others have more to add.

Shadow realm of INFJ (ESTP):

http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/myers-briggs/infj.htm

And here's the shadow of the ISFJ (shadow is ENTP):

It's that "intolerance of others who do not act competently" that sounds more like your grandfather (to me). But the alcohol abuse sounds INFJ gone to shadow. Still, it's almost impossible to say exactly what someone's type is when they're unhealthy; they could act like anyone, really.

 

I could see an infj turning into an evil dictator. With enough abuse they will just give into the darker side of themselves. I have always been afraid of my anger and as a child I would let people beat me up because I did not want to touch my dark side. I could have beaten up a lot of kids but I just took it in the end. That lead to resentment towards them from the treatment that I took. In the end it was my fault for not doing anything. But I could see how if you were drinking you could go postal. Alcohol does funny things to the mind and you do not think clearly. And that can lead to bad behavior.

Plus having parents who are mean to you makes for even more trouble. I have very dark feelings and suicidal thoughts are there. I am not afraid to die. I can only imagine how I would act drunk and really pissed off. And not afraid of my consequences oh look out. Your Grandpa came from a time when people did not treat each other well. The things he did were the norm back then. I have heard stories from my grand parents about all kinds of weird things going on in our family. The nice thing is we did not have to go threw that. And we were spared the memories and emotions that come with that kind of life experience.

You can't run from your genetics so I figure that by learning from your family it helps you understand them and yourself. There is a little piece of your Grandpa in you too but it's not a bad thing. You have knowledge that he did not have. And that is why your the next model in the evolutionary chain. The best thing he ever did in life was have kids. Even if he abused them. Your living proof of that.

 

that is very true...if our efforts of helping or caring go unnoticed or unappreciated, we will be filled with resentment and probabaly lash out on others when being pushed to our limits.

 

Hmm it looks like my shadow side has come out to play because I've been acting like that for the last couple of weeks. Sort of. Its more how I *feel* like acting, but I'm trying not to act. Meh, I'm pretty stressed out though, so I won't beat myself up about it. The soul survives these things and this too shall pass.

 

I agree with those lists. My shadow side manifests itself in my mind at first, having bad thoughts that otherwise in my normal state would never even dream of having. I become hyper-critical about everything, super cynical and angry at the world. I don't like when I'm like this because I go to a great state of depression which takes days for me to get over it, it's really horrible.

 

I'm slightly disappointed by this shadow list for an INFJ. I think I have "shadowing" for the past few months and I don't do any of this. Maybe breaking my own rules and cutting corners but that's it from there.

 

I see it as the yin and the yan, the opposite of the spectrum has to be eaqual with the other side... if an infj is the most rare type and the most empathetic, then when in distress, it is normal for infj to become selfish. I think I am living proof of that to be honest... I have nothing but disrespect and distain for my parents, it's sad to think that I often say the day that they both die, is the day that I will be truly free. How can a loving, empathetic, caring, deep and intuitive person like me actually be completely void of love? Well I'm not really, and neither was yr grandfather. He was just extremely hurt and disappointed in life. Anger is a secondary emotion to pain, and apathy is the result of too much time feeling broken at the hands of others (or circumstance), so we numb and join the force of anger and hate. Apathy has it's place and time, it's healthy and unfortunatly, people suffer... As an infj, after some time passes and we begin to heal, we feel remorse, but still hold onto the pain deep inside like it's some precious gift that keeps us deserving of the best, as we have an arrogance (and thats ok), because we understand that we r important. Being treated horribly by others is very rejecting, there is a great feeling of injustice that takes plc within our sensitive hearts, thus is the opposite end of the loving infj that has the future and people at heart. After a time of quietness tho, we learn the truths and realize our own weaknesses as we reflect on our rage and apathy. Hopefully we learn from it , altho my lesson is far from mastered. I am still working on forgiveness and trust, I feel thunderous rage and it doesnt scare me, more like gives me a rush for a while, then leaves me exsausted and ready for the shame that follows because it was wasted on my my haunted thoughts, rather than on productive forgiveness... I don't know where to go from here myself, it's like I'm stuck. This is a good point for infj's to understand, perhaps it can shed light on why yr grandfather did what he did Billy.