I know at least 3 male 2s in real life that have anger management issues...2s when under stress may appear 8ish.
Interesting. I've often felt myself resonating with 2's description, but the intentions were always the problem. I had assumed that I was an 8 (or had 8 in my tritype) that moved toward 2 when healthy, rather than the other way around.
Also, none of the above speaks against 6, especially the part about being convinced a type because it is from a trustworthy authority with a certified title. 6s can also have trusting issues and may equip themselves with martial arts to safeguard themselves from any unwanted or dangerous situations.
Agreed. I've been looking at the similarities between Counterphobic 6 and 8w9. Perhaps I'm basing my opinions on 6s from my experiences with phobic 6s. They honestly sicken me with their insistent cowardice.
Both could be partly genetic and partly development. Enneagram type could be developed due to certain cognitive functions not functioning properly. A person born with low Fe may later on develop into a defense mechanism that is specific for a certain Enneagram type to compensate for the lack of Fe in order to survive in this world. People who highly value intellect may develop their thinking functions at a later stage, in that case their cognitive functions would then be influenced by their Enneagram type.
I very much prefer this approach. Thanks for the perspective.
If being in tune with their Fe function is against an 8's self-image, it would probably be very unlikely for an 8 to type themselves as a MBTI/JCF with a well versed Fe function.
This makes a lot of sense for me, as the more my Fe recedes the stronger the 8-like traits begin to manifest in me. When this Fe suppression effect happens, I still have a clear sense of how I feel things should be which becomes even stronger, but I begin to have serious issues with empathy. I feel that I
should have empathy, and when I'm at my healthiest I do have empathy (in rare moments in abundance). Unfortunately, when life causes my Fe to react by stepping aside and letting the rest of my mind take over, this 8-like part of my personality comes out to defend myself emotionally. I am rather certain that I developed this mechanism in childhood, and it has left me feeling guilty for not being empathic - especially when I should have been, or when I should not have behaved a certain way. The harder my heart becomes, the more this part of myself surfaces.
I've been assuming this is Enneagram 8. Though I suppose it could be a very unhealthy 2, if not for the descriptions of unhealthy 2 sounding nothing like this. The descriptions of unhealthy 2 sound like ultra passive aggressive attention seeking histrionic nonsense. "Oh look at me, I'm having a breakdown" kind of stuff. The thought of people seeing me when I am weak (aka vulnerable) makes my skin crawl, and causes me actual anger. Either people will respect me for my strengths or love me for who I am. I'll only accept pity when I have no other choice. Ugh, just thinking about that makes me uncomfortable, and I'm having trouble even letting myself post this.
However... it does occur to me that the reason for this could be that I've been conditioned to believe that no one will (or even could) love me if I'm weak. That could be an interesting spin on 2, especially since the descriptions of 2's seem to be very female-centric. Male love needs are different, and might manifest different mechanisms. I've often said that the one thing I want more in life is someone to love me, a soulmate, someone to be my comfort and support in this world full of obstacles. I had assumed that was part of being an 8. Perhaps it's just a male manifestation of 2 sx and Counterphobic 6 lurking in my Tritype (I can't keep the Tritype, Trifix, Triad theories straight. They all seem essentially the same to me 3 Enneagram types - one from each center.) Interesting.