Determinism VS Free Will
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Doesn't that support my claim? The brain reacts first therby giving you the feeling or making you want to push the button.
Can that be the only reason for this jump in brain activity other than - we are tricking ourselves into thinking we are making free choices of our own?
What would be the purpose of this illusion?
Can there not be direction from someone’s “spirit” that could also explain this jump? It’s just as likely given what we don’t know about how our brain’s function.
Ray Kurzweil is one of the materialists. He claims that a single computer (at the cost of $1,000) will be able to simulate a human brain in 2029. In 2045, a computer will have the computational power of entire humanity, perhaps 8 billion people. He termed this event 'the Singularity'.
If the 2029 deadline fails, then materialism will be a questionable scientific hypothesis. It follows that determinism is also false. (I am a newbie in this field. I could be wrong.)
It might happen earlier or later too if Kurzweil's time estimate is too pessimistic/optimistic.
If the 2029 deadline fails, then materialism will be a questionable scientific hypothesis. It follows that determinism is also false. (I am a newbie in this field. I could be wrong.)
It might happen earlier or later too if Kurzweil's time estimate is too pessimistic/optimistic.
How does that exclude humans from having a “soul”?
How do we know a computer is truly conscious and isn’t just a bunch of neat tricks of programming that some suggest we are?
That’s a whole other can of worms my friend…haha.
[MENTION=14189]ImaginaryBloke[/MENTION]
Check this out -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_information_theory
Check this out -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_information_theory
Forget it.
EDIT: I didn't wanna say what a retard!! You flipped the argument on its head and conveyed it with arrogance: if you still confused. Check the receipt.
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I don't support the whole ghost in machine thing. We can't make no sense of it.
Tho your point was clear.
The coherent answer is No.
What you've done is questioned the construct of time. And that pretty much marvels a lot of us to this day.
I haven't seen the clip, but I'll view we I get the chance just to be sure we're on the same page.
I enjoyed reading that, very insightful.
I mean, I could see how some may view it as transparent but IMHO I believe that those are the building blocks of understanding the main criteria to differentiate what is actually valid from what's secondary, from what's invalid.
The key that resonated with me which you mentioned and which we fail to mention when we speak of determinism is the functions at a subconscious level, which we clearly have no awareness of.
Freud would continuously describe the mind as an iceberg with the conscious mind being the small portion visible tho entire construct was more complex.
Sometimes I have to go back into the store and get them to explain the receipt to me. Perhaps I am an idiot or perhaps I just understand their coding.
What code? You do know what you said don't make sense. Go clear your throat and come back again.
The human brain and computers function so differently on a fundamental level I don't know how anyone could make such a claim.
There can never be proof of a spirit causing this jump because a spirit cannot yet be measured. We can only prove that the jump in brain activity is caused by external forces or we can never prove anything at all. Logically the fact that he was there pushing the button because he was asked to is evidence to support that external forces had a play in it.
Finally there is no tricking. The wanting is just the function it uses to cause you to do that thing. You simply named it 'choice'. Choice is doing what you want. In that respect choice does exist. But this reality still defines what you want and therefore you are a product of determinism.
To be clear, I do not suggest that there is no spirit. It is possible that the spirit does not choose but simply observes the sensations of the mind. But there is no accepted evidence that the spirit exists and there is no evidence to support the idea that if a spirit exists that it can alter our reality.
I do have an idea on how to obtain evidence of our metta-consciousness but that is for another thread.
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You would judge me and put me in retard jail even though I didn't have a choice in my facts ending up crooked?
All life evolves for with the desire to sustain itself. There is a core morality that exists in all human beings that shares certain values across many cultures. The primary ones are to not kill, to not steal, to not lie. The establishment of these values is important for our survival. However notice that we make exceptions to this consistently when our own lives are the cost of following these values. We will kill to protect ourselves and steal to feed ourselves. Naturally there becomes a struggle between those who have and those who do not have. Sustaining life is the core to our being and the greatest difference in our actions is determined by how we define 'life'. Do we define our existence through our children, our family, our country, our memory, or just the simple beating of our own hearts?
Granted evolution does allow exceptions to exist as that is a part of the grand experiment.
It is natural to want to believe you can choose and to reject the idea that you are just a result of your environment because it is not within you to deny your own existence and to deny that suggests that nothing has any meaning at all.
The real question is how am I now denying it myself if it is not within my programming to do so? The answer is that I do not define life as the choices I make but as the simple process of observing my existence and simply being.
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