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Are we as a society being kept from discussing the big issues?

Hi i've just begun watching the other clip you posted. please feel free to post it in this thread of course!

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I think that we're seeing a lot of fallout with the tensions between the shadow gov., the cartels that be, and the rest. After Eisenhower, the thing (that got them all together) got buried in secrecy with security clearances above what the President can see (how in the world is that okay?). IIRC, Clinton was out of the loop with HW's CIA (surprise, surprise). Many inside the cartels were misled themselves. I think JFK was the last to have any sort of idea as to what was going on with MJ-12 or whatever you want to call them. It's no secret that things started going to hell after him.
Some congressmen/senators have been announcing that they're not running for re-election too. Not sure how or if that fits in.
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I have to admit to being quite disturbed by all these generals being laid off

We also know that there is a now a litmus test for anyone trying to become an officer in the US military which is that they are being asked if they would fire on US citizens if asked to!

Considering the government has recently passed the NDAA law which means that the US military now views US soil as part of the battlefield and gives them the legal right to arrest US citizens and hold them indefinately without trial as well as torturing them which at the very least will likely consist of stress positions and water boarding

So we are seeing the shadow government gearing up for something big

Alex Jones broke a big story recently that he got from one of his high up military sources that told him that some nuclear devices had been removed from a military base and that against the usual protocol there was no record made of who took them or where they were going

[video=youtube;Zx8lcB42yBs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx8lcB42yBs[/video]

Another incident occured recently...i don't know if it is related but a truck was hijaked in mexico that was carrying some medical equipment that was being retired from a hospital. this eqipment contained radioactive material that can be used to make a dirty bomb

So lets speculate here for a moment. We know due to operation gladio that the shadow government has its own black op private armies operating around the world carrying out assassinations and terror attacks. So whose to say that the shadow government haven't got hold of nuclear weapons in order to either carry out a false flag attack in the US to justify some action for example an attack on iran?

Another option is that they wouldn't even need to explode such a device, they could just use it to blackmail US politicians and the public wouldn't even need to know about it ie do such and such or we will let off the nuclear device

I heard a story about how some equipment that was survelliance equipment holding CCTV had been sold to Fukishima just before the disaster happened. There was an explosion there when the tidal wave happened and a theory has been suggested that these devices contained bombs. Guess where the company that sold these devices is from? israel!

So why would the Israelis be pissed off at japan? japan recently traded oil for gold with Iran which circumvented the sanctions imposed by the Israeli controlled congress

The tidal wave itself could have been man made through HAARP technology and the wave was abnormal in that it was able to go over the top of the tidal wave flood defence walls of fukishima

Kanamori said:
There's just a ridiculous amount of evidence out there from pilots, air traffic control, military, Boeing/Lockheed/gov scientists... The ridicule mechanism of disinfo has been well honed since Bluebook... 'Free' energy has probably been out there for decades.
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many believed that Tesla was murdered by the cartel (who control the big 4 banks and the federal reserve and who control the big 4 oil companies). J.P.Morgan had shown an interest in teslas work before he was killed.

Teslas appartment and lab were raided after his murder and all his paperwork was taken. Soem was rereleased but basically they shut him down becuase they wanted to maintain the fossil fuel burning industry and suppress free energy

The oil companies have also shut down new technologies through patents but i don't know much about that

So there is definately a suppression of progress to keep us using these dirty fossil fuels. further to that they are now fracking which is causing earthquakes and is pushing toxins into the ground water. they are now talking about pumping a hihgly toxic acid into the fracking boreholes!

Its like they are not content with injecting human babies with dozens of toxic vaccines they also want to inject our mother earth with toxic injections as well. It really does seem that we are either under attack from psychopaths heelbent on detroying us or by an outside force who are also hellbent on destroying us and changing our planet.

Geoengineering is causing strange weather around the world. Interestingly the latest superman film had an alien force coming in with geoengineering gear to change our earths atmosphere! They had 'El' in their title which is a word for saturn, hence 'elites' ie el-ites...followers of el....followers of saturn

Kanamori said:
Saucers were made by Nazis toward the end of the war, of course they weren't the ones doing 90 degree turns while going 2.5k mph. Some think that the Nazis were the first to come in contact with ETs and to start reverse-engineering alien tech (and then there's Operation Paperclip).
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Sure all those nazi scientists were shipped to the US and Russia and just carried on their work

A very dark aspect about that work is the human experimentation that these nazi scientists were allowed to continue carrying out on US citizens often without their permission. Operation MKUltra was part of this. The nazis had been working on trauma based mind control in the concentration camps and it just continued into the US

Many US americans are completely oblivious to this...they don't even know that 2000 US soldiers were lobotomised in WW2!

At least the tide is turning now and all this stuff is leaking out. I really hope humanity can shake itself awake before they shut down the internet

The cartel are working on a a trade agreement called the Trans Pacific Partnership. This would give them massive powers over the internet. this is one of the biggest stories of our times but its not being widely discussed!

We knew they would come after the internet and here they go!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Strategic_Economic_Partnership
 
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I posit that we are not being kept from important discussion because all I have read and commented on FB about the past few days is the importance of a hillbilly Christian on t.v. who likes vaginas more than mens anuses. This is what technology has brought us too, and to think it all started with that biracial couple Lucy and Ricky! SYCK!
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Thats all distraction.....that is the function of the mainstream corporate media...to keep people distracted and focussed on non issues

Who cares what people do with their orafices as long as everyone is consenting and no one is being exploited?=Non issue
 
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Recent leaks from the CIA have pointed to saudi arabian government involvment in 911. A court in the USA has now deemed it possible for families of victims of 911 to sue the saudi authorities: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/12/21/341177/911-families-ecstatic-to-sue-saudis/

This is progress. Now we just need the involvement of the US and Israeli governments in 911 to be made public as well.

We need it beyond doubt so that people can know that this was a state sponsored attack
 
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Christmas wishes!
 
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He has insight into it, but it seems to be rosier and has euphemistic hints as to why people get whacked... i.e., for our own good while industrialists put 50 people into understanding the tech instead of the world. That they get the money is just a matter of course, and has nothing to do with controlling who sees it in its original form. I do kind of feel sorry for the ones who are now inheriting a 60 year old mess.
 
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Well, that's just special. The disclosure press conference in May 2001 seems prophetic... Good grief, can't people just take a break from all of this junk?
 
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Christmas wishes!
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That frosty SOB! I knew he was no good!

And with other news: the germans are trying to get UNESCO recogniton of father christmas/saint nicholas as they are concerned that the US american 'Santa Claus' which was created as a marketing campaign by Coca Cola is destroying the origins of father christmas....what a crazy world!
 
Consumerism:

[video=youtube;D9rjuBLm34Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9rjuBLm34Y#t=374[/video]
 
There's an area of study regarding ETs that might be a serious field in some time: Exopolotics. There's a Dr. Salla who is somewhere around the fore with it. It's all a lot of inference from a bunch of different sources. Some of it is probably a little out there I think(no pun intended), given the nature. It's hard to be really sure when people get whacked, sent to the funny farm and disappeared, intimidated, lose their jobs, have their families threatened, evidence disappeared, etc (the whole nine yards). He draws from a lot of credible sources though mostly the whistleblowers from the cartels/shadow gov/military. He vets sources by credibility, independent corroboration, and coherence... just generally trying to fit the pieces together. Some number of any given details may be wrong but I think the picture, though hazy, is kind of close -- I'm thinking along the lines of other sciences in their infancies.

[video=youtube;mFOYCW1AcjM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFOYCW1AcjM[/video]
Some ET stuff makes some world and current events make more sense.

It's an area that might still be kind of physically dangerous to dig too deeply in or speak too loudly about.
 
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Salla again. The good ET ones are always long. Maybe this one first, for introductions.
 
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I think that it's also significant to note that the Navy have usually wanted to push disclosure whereas the Air Force have been more likely to downplay and not release information. Guess who would get the lion's share of alien tech? How big is the black budget and where in the world does it go to?

Edit: My hunch is that all of the Annunaki/Nibiru stuff is dis/misinfo, or a general phrase used as a catch-all in regards to ET stuff.
 
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US war powers being handed over to Israel!!!

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/01/09/bibi-emp/

The United States of America is supposed to be a democratic republic. Under its Constitution, the Congress decides whether to go to war, and the President serves as commander-in-chief.

Today, with nearly 1,000 military bases around the world, the USA looks more like an empire than a republic. But who is the emperor? Is the USA ruled by an “imperial presidency”? Or is the real emperor of America enthroned in Tel Aviv?


A bill introduced in the US Senate by Chuck Schumer (D-NY), entitled the “Nuclear Weapon Free Iran Act of 2013,” – now supported by 50 US Senators – formally turns over American war powers to the State of Israel and its Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.


According to a leading American Iran expert, Columbia University professor Gary Sick, “the bill outsources any decision about resort to military action to the government of Israel, by committing the United States in advance to support any military action by Israel.”

The bill effectively gives Netanyahu the war powers of both the US Congress and the US president. In effect, it makes Netanyahu emperor of the USA, empowered to lead America into any war he wants at the time and place of his choosing.
 
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/07/19/sayanim-israeli-operatives-in-the-u-s/

[h=2]Sayanim — Israeli Operatives in the U.S.[/h] By Jeff Gates STAFF WRITER/Editor
Americans know that something fundamental is amiss. They sense—rightly—that they are being misled no matter which political party does the leading.
A long misinformed public lacks the tools to grasp how they are being deceived. Without those tools, Americans will continue to be frustrated at being played for the fool.
When the “con” is clearly seen, “the mark” (that’s us) will see that all roads lead to the same duplicitous source: Israel and its operatives. The secret to Israel’s force-multiplier in the U.S. is its use of agents, assets and sayanim (Hebrew for volunteers).
When Israeli-American Jonathan Pollard was arrested for spying in 1986, Tel Aviv assured us that he was not an Israeli agent but part of a “rogue” operation. That was a lie.
Only 12 years later did Tel Aviv concede that he was an Israeli spy the entire time he was stealing U.S. military secrets. That espionage—by a purported ally—damaged our national security more than any operation in U.S. history.
In short, Israel played us for the fool.
From 1981-1985, this U.S. Navy intelligence analyst provided Israel with 360 cubic feet of classified military documents on Soviet arms shipments, Pakistani nuclear weapons, Libyan air defense systems and other intelligence sought by Tel Aviv to advance its geopolitical agenda.
Agentsdiffer from assets and sayanim. Agentspossess the requisite mental state to be convicted of treason, a capital crime. Under U.S. law, that internal state is what distinguishes premeditated murder from a lesser crime such as involuntary manslaughter. Though there’s a death in either case, the legal liabilities are different—for a reason.
Intent is the factor that determines personal culpability. That distinction traces its roots to a widely shared belief in free will as a key component that distinguishes humans from animals.
Agents operate with premeditation and “extreme malice” or what the law describes as an “evil mind.” Though that describes the mental state of Jonathan Pollard, Israeli leaders assured us otherwise—another example of an evil mind as the U.S. was played for the fool.
Played for the Fool, Again
Pollard took from his office more than one million documents for copying by his Israeli handler. When those classified materials were transferred to the Soviets, reportedly in exchange for the emigration of Russian Jews, this spy operation shifted the entire dynamics of the Cold War.
To put a price tag on this espionage, imagine $20 trillion in U.S. Cold War defense outlays from 1948-1989 (in 2010 dollars). The bulk of that investment in national security was negated by a spy working for a nation that pretended throughout to be a U.S. ally.
Pollard was sentenced to life in prison. Israel suffered no consequences. None. Zero. Nada. Not then. Not now. Then as now, we were played for the fool.
At trial, Pollard claimed he wasn’t stealing from the U.S.; he was stealing secrets for Israel—with whom the U.S. has long had a “special relationship.” He thought we should have shared our military secrets with them. That’s chutzpah. That also confirms we were played for the fool.
Looking back, it’s easy to see how seamlessly we segued from a global Cold War to a global War on Terrorism. In retrospect, the false intelligence used to induce our invasion of Iraq was traceable to Israelis, pro-Israelis or Israeli assets such as John McCain (see below).
Even while in prison, Pollard’s iconic status among Israelis played a strategic role. Was it just coincidence that Tel Aviv announced a $1 million grant to their master spy less than two weeks before 911? Is that how Israel signaled its operatives in the U.S.?
Did that grant have any relationship to the “dancing Israelis” who were found filming and celebrating that mass murder as both jets smashed into the World Trade Center?
Absent that provocation, would we now find ourselves at war in the Middle East? Surely no one still believes that America’s interests are being advanced in a quagmire that has now become the longest war in U.S. history.
“I know what America is,” Benjamin Netanyahu told a group of Israelis in 2001, apparently not knowing his words were being recorded. “America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction.”
Let’s face it: the U.S. was again played for the fool.
With oversight by Israeli case officers (katsas), Israeli operations proceed in the U.S. by using agents, assets and volunteers (sayanim). Let’s take a closer look at each.
The Sayanim System
Sayanim (singular sayan) are shielded from conventional legal culpability by being told only enough to perform their narrow role. Though their help may be essential to the success of an Israeli operation, these volunteers (sayanim also means helpers) could pass a polygraph test because their recruiters ensure they remain ignorant of the overall goals of an operation.
In other words, a sayan can operate as an accomplice but still not be legally liable due to a lack of the requisite intent regarding the broader goals—of which they are purposely kept ignorant. Does that intentional “ignorance” absolve them of liability under U.S. law? So far, yes.
Much like military reservists, sayanim are activated when needed to support an operation. By agreeing to be available to help Israel, they provide an on-call undercover corps and force-multiplier that can be deployed on short notice.
How are sayanim called to action? To date, there’s been no attempt by U.S. officials to clarify that key point. This may explain why Pollard was again in the news on July 13[SUP]th[/SUP] with a high-profile Israeli commemoration of his 9000[SUP]th[/SUP] day of incarceration.
To show solidarity with this Israeli-American traitor, the lights encircling Jerusalem were darkened while an appeal was projected onto the walls of the Old City urging that President Obama order Pollard’s release from federal prison.
Pollard has long been a rallying point for Jewish nationalists, Zionist extremists and ultra-orthodox ideologues. In short, just the sort of people who would be likely recruits as sayanim. The news coverage given this Day of Adoration may help explain how Israel signals its helpers that an operation is underway and in need of their help.
Are pro-Israelis once again playing Americans for the fool?
When not aiding an ongoing operation, sayanim gather and report intelligence useful to Israel. This volunteer corps is deeply imbedded in legislative bodies, particularly in the U.S.
Thus far, this Israeli operation has advanced with legal impunity as the Israel lobby—though acting as a foreign agent—continues even now to pose as a “domestic” operation.
Morris Amitay, former executive director of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, explains how this invisible cadre aids the Israel lobby in advancing its geopolitical agenda:
“There are a lot of guys at the working level up here [on Capitol Hill]…who happen to be Jewish, who are willing…to look at certain issues in terms of their Jewishness…These are all guys who are in a position to make the decision in these areas for those senators…You can get an awful lot done just at the staff level.”
What sayanim are not told by their katsas is that an Israeli operation may endanger not only Israel but also the broader Jewish community when these operations are linked to extremism, terrorism, organized crime, espionage and treason. Though sayanim “must be 100 percent Jewish,” Ostrovsky reports inBy Way of Deception (1990):
“…the Mossad does not seem to care how devastating it could be to the status of the Jewish people in the Diaspora if it was known. The answer you get if you ask is: “So what’s the worst that could happen to those Jews? They’d all come to Israel. Great!” [Mossad is the intelligence and foreign operations directorate for Israel.]
Assets, Agents and Sayanim
Assets are people profiled in sufficient depth that they can be relied upon to perform consistent with their profile. Such people typically lack the state of mind required for criminal culpability because they lack the requisite intent to commit a crime.
Nevertheless, assets are critical to the success of Israeli operations in the U.S. They help simply by pursuing their profiled personal needs—typically for recognition, influence, money, sex, drugs or the greatest drug of all: ideology.
Thus the mission-critical task fulfilled by political assets that the Israel lobby “produces” for long-term service in the Congress—while appearing to represent their U.S. constituents.
Put a profiled asset in a pre-staged time, place and circumstance—over which the Israel lobby can exert considerable influence—and Israeli psy-ops specialists can be confident that, within an acceptable range of probabilities, an asset will act consistent with his or her profile.
Democrat or Republican is irrelevant; the strategic point remains the same: to ensure that lawmakers perform consistent with Israel’s interests. With the help of McCain-Feingold campaign finance “reform,” the Israel lobby attained virtual control over the U.S. Congress.
The performance of assets in the political sphere can be anticipated with sufficient confidence that outcomes become foreseeable—within an acceptable range of probabilities. How difficult was it to predict the outcome when Bill Clinton, a classic asset, encountered White House intern Monica Lewinsky?
Senator John McCain has long been a predictable asset. His political career traces its origins to organized crime from the 1920s. It was organized crime that first drew him to Arizona to run for Congress four years before the 1986 retirement of Senator Barry Goldwater.
By marketing his “brand” as a Vietnam-era prisoner of war, he became a reliable spokesman for Tel Aviv while being portrayed as a “war hero.” No media outlet dares mention that Colonel Ted Guy, McCain’s commanding officer while a POW, sought his indictment for treason for his many broadcasts for the North Vietnamese that assured the death of many U.S. airmen.
As a typical asset, it came as no surprise to see McCain and Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman, a self-professed Zionist, used to market the phony intelligence that took us to war in Iraq. McCain’s ongoing alliance with transnational organized crime spans three decades.
His 1980’s advocacy for S&L crook Charles Keating of “The Keating 5” finds a counterpart in his recent meetings with Russian-Israeli mobster Oleg Deripaska who at age 40 held $40 billion in wealth defrauded from his fellow Russians.
McCain conceded earlier this month in a town hall meeting in Tempe, Arizona that he met in a small dinner in Switzerland with mega-thief Deripaska and Lord Rothschild V.
For assets such as McCain to be indicted for treason, the American public must grasp the critical role that such pliable personalities play in political manipulations. McCain is a “poster boy” for how assets are deployed to shape decisions such as those that took our military to war. In the Information Age, if that’s not treason, what is?
The predictability of a politician’s conduct confirms his or her qualifications as an asset. They are routinely developed and “produced” over lengthy periods of time and then—as with John McCain—maintained in key positions to influence decision-making as key junctures.
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was candid in his assessment four weeks after 911. He may have been thinking about John McCain when he made this revealing comment:
“I want to tell you something very clear, don’t worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.” [October 3, 2001]
Indictments for Treason
Are assets culpable? Do they have the requisite intent to indict them for treason? Does John McCain possess an evil mind? Did he betray this nation of his own free will or is he typical of those assets with personalities so weak and malleable that they can easily be manipulated?
As federal grand juries are impaneled to identify and indict participants in this trans-generational operation, how many sayanim should the Federal Bureau of Investigation expect to uncover in the U.S.? No one knows because this subtle form of treason is not yet well understood.
Victor Ostrovksy, a former Mossad katsa (case officer) wrote in 1990 that the Mossad had 7,000 sayanim in London alone. In London’s 1990 population of 6.8 million, Israel’s all-volunteer corps represented one-tenth of one percent of the residents of that capital city.
If Washington, DC is ten times more critical to Israel’s geopolitical goals (an understatement), does that mean the FBI should expect to find ten times more sayanim per capita in Washington?
What about sayanim in Manhattan, Miami, Beverly Hills, Atlanta, Boston, Charleston, Charlotte, Chicago, Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, Detroit, Houston, Kansas City, Minneapolis, New Orleans, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Portland, Sacramento, San Diego, Seattle, St. Louis, Tampa, Toledo?
No one knows. And Tel Aviv is unlikely to volunteer the information. This we know for certain: America has been played for the fool. And so has our military.
This duplicity dates back well before British Foreign Secretary Alfred Balfour wrote to an earlier Lord Rothschild in 1917 citing UK approval for a “Jewish homeland.” In practical effect, that “homeland” now ensures non-extradition for senior operatives in transnational organized crime.
To date, America has blinded itself even to the possibility of such a trans-generational operation inside our borders and imbedded inside our government. Instead the toxic charge of “anti-Semitism” is routinely hurled at those chronicling the “how” component of this systemic treason.
Making this treason transparent is essential to restore U.S. national security. That transparency may initially appear unfair to the many moderate and secular Jews who join others appalled at this systemic corruption of the U.S. political system.
Yet they are also concerned that somehow they may be portrayed as guilty by association due to a shared faith tradition. That would be not only unjust to them but also ineffective in identifying and indicting those complicit.
This much is certain: a Democrat as president offers no real alternative to a Republican on those issues affecting U.S. policy in the Middle East.
Today’s corruption predates the duplicity in 1948 that induced Harry Truman to extend recognition to this extremist enclave as a legitimate nation state. Our troubles date from then.
That fateful decision must be revisited in light of what can now be proven about the “how” of this ongoing duplicity—unless Americans want to continue to be played for the fool.
 
Here's a recent example of a sayanim from the mainstream news. This guy was a producer in Hollywood who also worked on the side as an arms dealer for the Israelis.

But a sayanim doesn't have to be doing arms deals or anything big....they can even be a person on an internet forum trying to close down any discussion about zionism. I can assure you those people are out there

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...who-became-a-reallife-james-bond-8958234.html
 
Here is another sayanim....this guy is an advisor to Obama and is now the mayor of chicago. His father was a member of zionist terrorist group Irgun and his brother is a the CEO of a 'talent agency' in Hollywood:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel

Here's a story about how he tried to disarm the US public; because obviously if the US public can be disarmed then there will be no way of upholding the constitution and no way to stop a totalitarian state from developing that would make the nazis look like amateurs (the nazis had none of the technology that the NSA have for example)
http://www.teaparty.org/godfather-tells-big-banks-to-stop-supporting-gun-makers-19217/
 
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