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  • Lol! Well, that's okay, too. It was tough for me to determine it as well, and I tried different groups to see if I "belonged" with them. The other INFJ groups were too dramatic and fluffy, but the INTJ groups were too hard and cold (heh, like Goldilocks). But I had to go with the "worst" traits of the two to see who I emulated: Was I more cut-throat or more of a people-pleaser...?

    Me? People-pleaser. :p
    Lol. I'll have to make another video when I'm feeling better and I have the time for it. :D Fe is more natural for me, but I can be incredibly serious on camera because I'm just that shy. Heh. I saw another video I made that I had on private for various reasons (I made it back in December of 2009). I may post that as well. It's still me, with a relatively dry sense of humor (which is my humor).
    Wow, not really - but again, my expressions on camera aren't necessarily my real ones. I wouldn't discount it, but my Te isn't *that* strong, and I'm not that organized. When I originally took the official MBTI I came up as INTJ, but I didn't like how terribly cold some of them were. I also dated ( who I feel) was an INTJ ages ago, and we seriously "clicked" but I think it was just Ni coming together.

    I don't mind discussing it though (it doesn't upset me): What do you see in me that emulates ENTJ?
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    "male bonding" as in, if you hold hands while walking, or hug, or touch your male friend intimately in public, it won't be considered gay in any way.
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    How very interesting. I assume straight males do it too; hence the apparent disenchantment?

    Oh, so there's a sort of third gender there too. (I think I've read about it before) And they have their own community. It's a good thing, I suppose. But the part where it states they often end up as lower social workers, if not sex workers seems pretty worrying, if for the apparent implications of the (realistically existent?) social discrimination...Is that the case? I agreed it's LGBT-related, while I can understand the difficulty of defining their sexuality apart from third gender, they also have a feeling of transgender....kinda.

    Here.... Well, first of all, I think the social attitude towards gays are generally more negative than indifferent. That I can say for sure. The rest I can't say for definite generalization because there are a bit of a social segregation within the people; either by race, class, or religion. Not to mention the wide area and further different social condition that is Indonesia, as compared to Jakarta that, while big and diverse, certainly can't speak for all part of the country (in some part, precisely because it's big and diverse).

    Ahem, that's too long of a disclaimer, isn't it? :>

    Well, as far as I can see, the homophobic 'gays are ewww' view often exists, It exists alongside the trope Have You Tried Not Being A Monster. Recently a gay organization that are organizing a GLBT event were protested by a radical Islamic group (that, admittedly, are raiding everything else that they disagrees.) to cancel the event while spreading a homophobic message. I don't know how the event turns out. I think depictions of homosexuality are forbidden by law (while not too enforced...at times). Hints of homosexual behaviors are often ridiculed, if not outright laughed at. Gay dating sites, prostitutes, 'massage parlors' and bars does exist, but they often are hidden and only known by word of mouth or the internet. Also, feminine attitudes are hard to taken seriously (except in fashion and beauty career paths).
    So... You can comfortably be gay as long as you don't announce it publicly? That sounds like almost blocking the possibility of long-term relationships. :|

    "Male bonding"?...I don't comprehend.... o_O; *AFAIK we don't have those here*

    what kind of advantages and disadvantages?
    ...I have a personal question, if you were so inclined to answer;

    how was life (as a gay person) there? I'd reckon it's not all acceptance and glorification, but..to what extent? Can one live comfortably as a gay there?
    As I said no worries I'm not mad. Just curious. You didn't aggressive to me.

    As to why I sound INFP. That is more of a defensive mechanism my mother is ESTJ. And I've found dealing with her and other strong J's tends to show my J isn't strong enough to be taken seriously. And I've also dealt with a ton of invalidation from various places. So my Fi is more developed. But trust me when I say I'm not INFP. I have practically no Ne. As I said when dealing with strong J's its easier to use a P approach then butting heads with them. especially if you a low J like me.
    ..I finished reading the story.

    Oh dear, it certainly didn't end well, isn't it? :(
    What are your opinions about this?
    As for me, oh my god; the struggle when he's pushing himself..... a claustrophobic person's worst nightmare. And we don't even talk about that...thing...what IS THAT? I admit I have some problems getting immersed towards the story; most of the explanation of the caves are pretty hard to understand for me and thus, hard to imagine. But that certainly doesn't take a lot of the tension....
    It might not be a ghost story, but it still manages to creep me out. And questioned their fates.

    *shivers*
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